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Replacement Macbook battery

psyck0psyck0 Registered User regular
Hey all,

My macbook battery has crapped out after 2.5 years- it gets about 5 minutes of life. I was really not happy with the battery ever and this very short lifespan just reinforces that- my friends with PC laptops all have healthy batteries after 3 or even 4 years that still give them 2+ hours. As a result, I am NOT very enthused about buying a replacement from Apple. Do you know of anyone who makes a better battery?

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Batteries always seem hit or miss, and it all depends on how it's used. After a year and a half my Dell went from ~4.5 hrs to 30 minutes. It was used heavily.

    Is your macbook under Applecare or any type of warranty still? Using third party batteries (which can offer more life than official versions) may violate the warranty.

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  • psyck0psyck0 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I have applecare for another couple of months, but I don't give a damn. It was a waste of my money. I thought they covered batteries crapping out, but they don't, and I regret buying it.

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  • corcorigancorcorigan Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Batteries get worse the more you use them anyway. It's inevitable with the technology.

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  • RBachRBach Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Which is precisely why no extended warranty covers them.

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  • HallucinogenHallucinogen Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Just out of curiosity, how many cycles has your battery gone through? If you don't know how to check, just go into your system profiler from the "about this mac" window and select Power.

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  • psyck0psyck0 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Charge Information:
    Charge remaining (mAh): 3398
    Fully charged: No
    Charging: No
    Full charge capacity (mAh): 3398
    Health Information:
    Cycle count: 85
    Condition: Check battery

    I am fully aware that batteries degrade over time. My point is that my friends, who use their computers as much or more than I do (they often just leave them sitting on 24 hours a day) still have fairly healthy batteries, while mine has crapped out. I have heard online that Apple's batteries are generally crap, so I am looking for a better third-party one. Do any of you actually have any recommendations?

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  • KrisKris Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Holy crap. 85 cycles after 2.5 years? I haven't even had my MBP for a year yet and I'm at 90 cycles.

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  • psyck0psyck0 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Yeah, I tend to leave my plugged in a lot, which I am now reading isn't ideal, but still. It's fucking bullshit and they won't replace this crap-ass battery. Windows may be a POS OS but PCs have FAR superior batteries..

    Fuck it, I'm going to call them tomorrow and raise hell. I just found an official statement saying that the battery capacity should be good to 80% after 300 cycles. Mine was pretty much dead as of last summer, but I didn't want to deal with it then.

    I think I qualify under http://www.apple.com/support/macbook_macbookpro/batteryupdate/, so they'd better do it.

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  • ObsObs __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    You're killing your batteries because you're leaving them plugged in all the time. Stop that

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  • RBachRBach Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Uh, no. I leave my Macbook plugged in almost all the time when I'm not actually using it away from an outlet and I still have >90% of my battery life after almost a year and a half of having the thing. Methinks he's just gotten a dud.

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  • KrisKris Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I think the official stance is that they recommend you go through a complete cycle once a month. But yeah, that kind of battery depletion is a bit much.

    However, I would recommend trying to not "raise hell" right off the bat. Might not have as much success if you act like a dick from the get-go.

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  • ZackSchillingZackSchilling Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Apple doesn't make their own batteries, they just repackage the same cells that Dell, Sony, and everyone else uses.

    There are a few things to try to fix this:

    1.) Calibrate your battery by charging it up all the way and using it until the computer goes into emergency sleep.
    http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.4/en/mh2339.html

    2.) Reset the SMC to ensure proper function of power management.
    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1411

    3.) Find another magsafe cord from someone else and try to use it. It's possible your powerbrick is toast and not charging the battery.

    4.) If all of the above fail to produce a satisfactory result, then your battery has really crapped out. Since it has only been 85 cycles, it IS defective and Apple WILL take it back, though you may have to be very assertive with the support staff. For reference, my Macbook Pro has been through 288 cycles, often trading off months on a desk with months on the road. I can get a good 3+ hours out of it. Call Apple and do not take no for an answer. Sure batteries are consumables, but you have come nowhere close to consuming yours and it's empty.

    There is a known defect.
    http://www.apple.com/support/macbook_macbookpro/batteryupdate/

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    What's the labeled mAh on the battery? Is it 3398 or is it more than 3398? It almost sounds like a process or something is sapping your power rather than battery loss if you've only had 85 cycles.

    My Dell battery that I was talking about had only a few hundred mAh when it was at the end of its life. It was crazy.

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  • HallucinogenHallucinogen Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    psyck0 wrote: »
    I just found an official statement saying that the battery capacity should be good to 80% after 300 cycles.

    Huh. Mine's gone through 372 cycles in 43 months and it only holds 35%(1558 of the original 4400mAh) of it's original charge. I never get a low battery warning anymore because it dies instantly when the charge indicator in my menu hits roughly 30%. So suddenly, in fact, that the system doesn't even have time to save my system state to the PRAM and go to sleep. It just shuts off cold turkey.
    It wouldn't be so annoying except that I became spoiled by being warned and having the luxury of the system saving all my data. I'm often caught with my pants down now, particularly with the charge indicator being so unreliable. I save religiously as soon as I hit 50% and shut down at 40% if I don't have access to a power outlet. I think I get less than an hour out of this thing now if I'm actually using it for anything other than word-processing.

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  • ZackSchillingZackSchilling Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    psyck0 wrote: »
    I just found an official statement saying that the battery capacity should be good to 80% after 300 cycles.

    Huh. Mine's gone through 372 cycles in 43 months and it only holds 35%(1558 of the original 4400mAh) of it's original charge. I never get a low battery warning anymore because it dies instantly when the charge indicator in my menu hits roughly 30%. So suddenly, in fact, that the system doesn't even have time to save my system state to the PRAM and go to sleep. It just shuts off cold turkey.
    It wouldn't be so annoying except that I became spoiled by being warned and having the luxury of the system saving all my data. I'm often caught with my pants down now, particularly with the charge indicator being so unreliable. I save religiously as soon as I hit 50% and shut down at 40% if I don't have access to a power outlet. I think I get less than an hour out of this thing now if I'm actually using it for anything other than word-processing.

    You're not eligible for a return but you should totally go for this:
    http://store.fastmac.com/product_info.php?products_id=3

    For $99 you get 3+ hours of life again and a reliable indicator. Not a bad buy.

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  • corcorigancorcorigan Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Obs wrote: »
    You're killing your batteries because you're leaving them plugged in all the time. Stop that

    Lithium-ion ones cope fine with that.

    It was the old nickel-cadmium ones that died horribly I believe.

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  • EgoEgo Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    It's not 'good' for Li-on to be fully charged all the time but it's not that bad either. I think the ideal storage charge is somewhere around 30-40%. Leaving your battery topped up all the time is much better than regularly letting it run empty (or worse, storing it while empty for any amount of time.) That much battery life with such few total cycles definitely means a dud battery. I'd get on the phone to apple and just play phone tag till they give up and send you another one. Eventually they will.
    You're killing your batteries because you're leaving them plugged in all the time. Stop that

    Sadly no one (Apple or otherwise) actually includes intelligent power management options so that you can, say, run your system at full performance but maintain an ideal storage charge while plugged into an outlet. Then again, why would they? Replacement batteries are good business.

    If you do just replace the battery yourself, you may wish to simply purchase the cells on their own and rebuild your own unit. It's not that hard, and generally the cheapest way to fix a battery. Doesn't take much know-how, google gave me functional instructions when I did that for my P4 lappy.

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  • ZackSchillingZackSchilling Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    By the way, the worst thing you can do with your laptop is to take the battery out while it is desk-bound. You might add a day to your battery's 3 year life, but at the cost of your much more expensive laptop and power brick.

    Running without a battery puts undue stress on the power supply for Macbooks. The laptops even clock down to ensure power consumption doesn't spike past 80 or 65 watts. I've seen more than one laptop HD bite it from getting unplugged without a battery.

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  • HallucinogenHallucinogen Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I always wondered why you weren't supposed to run them without the battery in.

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