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[First 100 Days] Voter's Remorse...

ObsObs __BANNED USERS regular
edited May 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
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So, the Obama Administration. Working hard, or hardly working?

That's the question on everyone's minds today as we look back at the 100 days of Barack Obama and Joe Biden. This thread isn't about general politics, it's about discussing Obama's performance as a President since January 20th; a discussion that has long been overdue. Surely, some of you must have been disappointed by some of his actions by now, so lets hear your gripes. Everyone's rating and grading various aspects of the administration. While some are disappointed, they are offset by others whom are pleasantly surprised. Some national report cards show Obama receiving grades as low as F+ or D- on his weaker subjects such as the economy, but he has managed to excel in other areas. How does D&D grade him?


Let's recap just exactly what's happened to this country, do bring up anything I may have forgotten:



The Good :^:

Initiative Roll-
Obama took action quickly in his first few days. He started off by passing a bizarre bill out of nowhere, then closed Guantanamo, froze white house salaries, passed the stimulus, ended the stem cell research ban, killed pirates, found a puppy and opened up travel to Cuba. Clearly, the dude actually does stuff. Joe Biden: not so much.

Diplomatic Relations-
Obama made quite a debut overseas. And who the fuck knew that Cuba would be willing to sit down and discuss "everything", or that Chavez would apologize a little bit and offer a gift (in the form of a book about how the United States has totally fucked over Latin America)? Regardless, Obama is improving the reputation of America around the world. Some would say that he may be taking this too far, like his bowing to King Abdullah or not totally blowing Chavez off for being a douche, but perhaps now things could be different.

High Approval-
Obama remains very marketable; half politician, half celebrity. One expects any decent President to at least maintain high approval through the honeymoon period. So far there is no sign he is a total failure or whatever. He's adapted to his role quite well and the doubt over his abilities has dissipated some what. He's also brought with him to the White House a casual style that is friendly and approachable. He has also been very good about taking responsibility for stupid shit that happens, such as dudes flying Air Force One ominously low over New York.

Iraq is Over-
With a deadline of August 2010 in place for the withdrawal of most troops in Iraq, and a new shift in focus to Afghanistan, Obama has managed to get us out of the quicksand. It seems like we are poised to finally start killing real terrorists again in Afghanistan, without blowing a shitload of money.

Black to the Future-
Obama has kept in touch with the times, he's doing the weekly Youtube Address as he said he would and has become the first President to wield a Blackberry in office. He's super popular on twitter and facebook, and when he's not too busy he finds time to make it onto talk shows to chat with guys like Jay Leno. The "Five Days of Public Viewing on the Internet" before passing a bill thing got off to a shitty start but he seems to have gotten it together, I think.




The Bad :v:

Cabinet Fuckuppetry- What I want to know is how the hell did four people get through the vetting process when they very clearly had not paid some of their damn taxes? And of those 4, the one that actually got to stay was probably the least competent (Geithner) and is still perceived as being sketchy as fuck. This is not really exclusive to Geithner though (although he does suck and should be replaced ASAP), as the general opinion seems to be that the entire Cabinet has a bit of a competency problem.

Release of Torture Memos-
There was no real need for this to happen, so why did it? Obama said he wanted to look forward, not back, but the release of these memos so we can go after the previous administration is petty at best, and dangerous for our national security at worst. This is kind of flip floppy on his part. There's also a possibility that this might blow up in his face, because some of the torture actually did work, and is documented, and was for justice. Now Obama is being pressed to release that information too.

The Budget- A fiasco. This thing costs way too damn much and has a shitload of pork. I do not want to see what future tax raises will be needed to pay for this shit. Clearly a product of our subpar Congress (though you can't really blame Obama for their stupidity).

The Economy- It's still shit, jobs aren't getting made fast enough and it's his fault. He said so himself. And don't forget Geithner and the AIG shenanigans.




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Bailouts- So far the bailouts have just been a disappointment, and a constant source of irritation for the American public. Nice Job, O-Team. People are getting way too comfortable with talks of "nationalization" of various industries. We also shouldn't have to pay for our irresponsible neighbor's mortgages God damnit.

Soviet Opacity- It's pretty hypocritical of Obama to say "O YEA GUYS WE'RE GONNA BE TRANSPARENT"... and then hire a shitload of czars who answer to no one. Seriously, what is up with this? Czar's could be doing all sorts of shady shit behind the scenes to get things done and the public would never know about it. And these czar's are just as important as cabinet members? What the hell?

Partisan Politics- Let's face it, Obama has not been very bipartisan, and with Specter switching parties and tilting even more power toward the Dems I would be very surprised if Obama even gave a shit about what Republicans will have to say from now on, though it's reasonable to believe he was only pretending to in the past. The dude is many things, but a uniter is not one of them. Consider the fact that we had more bipartisanship in George Bush's first year than all of Obama's 100 days. I fear what crazy shit the Dems will pass now without the Republicans having an influence. Of all his shortcomings, this is the one that hurts the most.




tl;dr
So, what do you think of President Obama?

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    This will surely be a historic thread of hilarity.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    The 100 days is a retarded metric built by a retarded media to mean more than it should because one President was fuck awesome during his first 100 days.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    This is going places.

    Awesome
    places.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak Way up inside your butthole, Morty. WAAAAY up inside there.Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
  • ObsObs __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    The 100 days is a retarded metric built by a retarded media to mean more than it should because one President was fuck awesome during his first 100 days.

    What Presidents have sucked on the first 100 days and then went on to have awesome Presidencies?

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Obs wrote: »
    The 100 days is a retarded metric built by a retarded media to mean more than it should because one President was fuck awesome during his first 100 days.

    What Presidents have sucked on the first 100 days and then went on to have awesome Presidencies?
    Define every adjective you used here, please.

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    What in the world do you mean by Obama hiring czars?

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I thought Obama was obligated to release the torture memos. Is that not the case?

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    What in the world do you mean by Obama hiring czars?

    We found the descendants of the Romanovs and one thing led to another....

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    What in the world do you mean by Obama hiring czars?
    He's set up commissions to deal with things like the Mexican drug stuff and appointed people to head them. Those people get referred to by the media as "Czars."

    The fact "Czar" got filed under "socialist" is hilarious, btw.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Obs wrote: »
    The 100 days is a retarded metric built by a retarded media to mean more than it should because one President was fuck awesome during his first 100 days.

    What Presidents have sucked on the first 100 days and then went on to have awesome Presidencies?

    I think you missed my point. Which is this: FDR had a kickass first 100 days where he got a ton of shit done. Because the media is retarded, they have decided in modern times that this is an important point of comparison, because it is reasonably big and we operate with a base 10 counting system.

    This is retarded, because the effects of a Presidency are unclear at best after 100 days. Especially with a President who generally plays the long game at the expense of short term newscycle victories.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I thought Obama was obligated to release the torture memos. Is that not the case?

    He was, in fact, obligated to do. FOIA and all that.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I thought Obama was obligated to release the torture memos. Is that not the case?
    Only if he wants to follow the law. That's where he and some others part ways, I guess.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I'm pretty sure Lincoln's first 100 days weren't the best.

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  • PotatoNinjaPotatoNinja Fake Gamer Goat Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Good 100 days so far. Hope he gets a little more aggressive. Polls show a broad support for Obama and (D)'s in general and consistently low numbers for (R)'s. Bipartisanship is overrated, health care, global warming, and a functional banking system are more important than keeping major pundits happy.

    Also, LOL SOCIALISM LOL :rotate:.

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  • Delicious Toad!Delicious Toad! __BANNED USERS
    edited April 2009
    Obs wrote: »
    Partisan Politics- Let's face it, Obama has not been very bipartisan, and with Specter switching parties and tilting even more power toward the Dems I would be very surprised if Obama even gave a shit about what Republicans will have to say from now on, though it's reasonable to believe he was only pretending to in the past. The dude is many things, but a uniter is not one of them. Consider the fact that we had more bipartisanship in George Bush's first year than all of Obama's 100 days. I fear what crazy shit the Dems will pass now without the Republicans having an influence. Of all his shortcomings, this is the one that hurts the most.
    Why do you put so much of a onus on the president of the Executive branch to be 'bipartisan' when, ultimately, how fucking bipartisan can someone in the position of supreme executive be? That's like ... not what the Executive branch is about. And I mean, even then, he was more bipartisan than most other presidents because he chose appointees from outside Democrat party lines, either newcomers or people that are moderates (and he tried to bring Republicans in, but they LOL'd at him).

    What does Specter have to do with Obama? What does Congress have to do with Obama? What about the Republican minority stonewalling absolutely everything with reckless and impotent indignation?

    How does this qualify as his shortcoming, if it is a shortcoming? How is it the one that hurts him the most? Also, can you cite the 'more bipartisanship' in George Bush's first year (did you mean George W. Bush, btw?), making sure to differentiate it from some kind of bipartisanship in the Legislative branch (though I don't know how you measure this, anyway)?

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  • ronzoronzo Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    a few short comments because i should be studying for finals but some of this is just too stupid

    bipartisanism: Republican's have fucking lost it and are opposing the dem's just to be contrary. Hard to reach across the isle when the other side is busy slapping the hand away.

    the economy: blaming him for not fixing it in 3 months? what the fuck?

    torture memo's: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. For justice? when in the fuck did we decide compromising our values and morales was a goddamn good idea? Here's a hint about the right-ness of torture: Reality isn't like 24.


    the level of stupid you spout is awe inspiring

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  • KalTorakKalTorak Way up inside your butthole, Morty. WAAAAY up inside there.Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Obs wrote: »
    The 100 days is a retarded metric built by a retarded media to mean more than it should because one President was fuck awesome during his first 100 days.

    What Presidents have sucked on the first 100 days and then went on to have awesome Presidencies?

    I think you missed my point. Which is this: FDR had a kickass first 100 days where he got a ton of shit done. Because the media is retarded, they have decided in modern times that this is an important point of comparison, because it is reasonably big and we operate with a base 10 counting system.

    This is retarded, because the effects of a Presidency are unclear at best after 100 days. Especially with a President who generally plays the long game at the expense of short term newscycle victories.

    But FDR's 100 days started the New Deal that was a SOCIALIST DISASTER that crippled the already depressed economy until we had to kill us some krauts and japs!

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  • DarkCrawlerDarkCrawler Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    The first post is just OP's opinion, right? Because it doesn't look like a partial rundown...

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    The first post is just OP's opinion, right? Because it doesn't look like a partial rundown...

    What gave it away, the Obama is a socialist meme?

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  • HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Screw bipartisanship. Bipartisanship requires a good faith effort on the part of the other party. The GOP has done nothing of the sort, and does not have and never did have any intention to do any such thing.

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  • Premier kakosPremier kakos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2009
    Yeah. Obama hasn't been very bipartisan. I mean, every time he's tried to reach across the aisle, the Republicans slap his hand away and scream "Fuck you!" How very partisan of Obama.

    Also, Obs lololololol

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  • CorbiusCorbius Shepard Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    At first I was like, "Hey sweet a new politics thread, how long till its locked" then I saw it was an Obs OP and I said "Yes. This will be worth every second"

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  • wazillawazilla Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    The first post is just OP's opinion, right? Because it doesn't look like a partial rundown...

    What gave it away, the Obama is a socialist meme?

    What? You mean that isn't just cold hard objective fact? I'm shocked.

    Obs. What do you make of Obama winning traditionally red states in the general election? Certainly he has bipartisan appeal.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I'm still trying to figure out how "Partisan Politics" (ignoring it's legitimacy as a point of discussion) got filed under Socialist.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    wazilla wrote: »
    The first post is just OP's opinion, right? Because it doesn't look like a partial rundown...

    What gave it away, the Obama is a socialist meme?

    What? You mean that isn't just cold hard objective fact? I'm shocked.

    Obs. What do you make of Obama winning traditionally red states in the general election? Certainly he has bipartisan appeal.

    He's a flim-flam sham artist that bamboozled whitey.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Upon reading this, I've come to realize--the released torture memos are a real life, real-implications, crimes-against-humanity version of "PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN".

    This is, of course, combined with the old adages "What we don't know won't hurt us" and "Way to go, asshole, you couldn't just let well enough alone, could you?"

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  • ObsObs __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    wazilla wrote: »
    The first post is just OP's opinion, right? Because it doesn't look like a partial rundown...

    What gave it away, the Obama is a socialist meme?

    What? You mean that isn't just cold hard objective fact? I'm shocked.

    Obs. What do you make of Obama winning traditionally red states in the general election? Certainly he has bipartisan appeal.

    He campaigned on bipartisanship, and that's why he won the red states.

    Though, he has not kept that up in good faith. Christ, didn't he even tell the Republicans once "I believe I won, therefore I trump you." on some stimulus bill shit? This is not what we expected at all.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    wazilla wrote: »
    The first post is just OP's opinion, right? Because it doesn't look like a partial rundown...

    What gave it away, the Obama is a socialist meme?

    What? You mean that isn't just cold hard objective fact? I'm shocked.

    Obs. What do you make of Obama winning traditionally red states in the general election? Certainly he has bipartisan appeal.
    60% of Americans approve of his policies so far and another 21% approve of him personally while disagreeing with some of the stuff he's pushed.

    81% of America likes him. For Bush's sake I hope he cancelled every channel on his cable that isn't Fox or ESPN.

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  • The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Wait.
    You're blaming the Obama administration for releasing torture memos? AND the budget (Look either bitch about job loss or this.) FFS he hasn't been in office 6 months yet, how the hell can you ALREADY think the budget will fail?

    And the ECONOMY?
    Oh come on. That's like blaming Truman for WW2.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Basically let's just condense every post Obs is going to make into one website:

    http://www.hillaryis44.org/

    Okay? Now no one needs to read his posts except for hilarity's sake.

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  • DarkCrawlerDarkCrawler Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    The first post is just OP's opinion, right? Because it doesn't look like a partial rundown...

    What gave it away, the Obama is a socialist meme?
    Let's recap just exactly what's happened to this country

    I don't know, that kind of fights against the actual content...because some of the stuff that was written there didn't actually happen.

    I mean, the Economy is his fault? Republicans took eight years to fuck it up, he's supposed to fixxx iitttt in 100 days?

    The Budget is a fiasco? How so? He's supposed to fix the economy without spending any money?

    Bipartisanship's failure is his fault? What the fuck? Anyone who has been following politics for a single second knows that the raving mad monster that is the GOP right now doesn't function within the limits of logic. Working together with them is impossible.

    I mean, opinions are okay I guess, but barefaced lying and twisting doesn't make them valid ones.

    I agree with the cabinet thing, though. WTF, Obama?

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  • Delicious Toad!Delicious Toad! __BANNED USERS
    edited April 2009
    Obs wrote: »
    Though, he has not kept that up in good faith. Christ, didn't he even tell the Republicans once "I believe I won, therefore I trump you." on some stimulus bill shit? This is not what we expected at all.
    When bills and "shit" are being debated on the Senate floor, "Obama" does not really "tell" "Republicans" things like "I believe I won, therefore I trump you." So like, I don't know where you get ideas like this!

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  • PotatoNinjaPotatoNinja Fake Gamer Goat Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Obs wrote: »

    Though, he has not kept that up in good faith. Christ, didn't he even tell the Republicans once "I believe I won, therefore I trump you." on some stimulus bill shit? This is not what we expected at all.

    By "we" you mean yourself and the other Republicans who voted against him?

    *NEWSFLASH* Voters who didn't like Obama continue to dislike Obama.

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  • LynxLynx Registered User
    edited April 2009
    wazilla wrote: »
    Obs. What do you make of Obama winning traditionally red states in the general election? Certainly he has bipartisan appeal.

    Apparently, being bipartisan means reaching across the aisle to Republican pundits, not Republican citizens, which people forget are the Republicans that actually matter.

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  • ObsObs __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    No I voted for Obama.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak Way up inside your butthole, Morty. WAAAAY up inside there.Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    *NEWSFLASH* Voters who didn't like Obama continue to feel butthurt over losing.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited April 2009
    I believe Obama did, at some point, tell Republicans something to the effect of "I won, and so I get to do things I want to do." Because, you know, he won. That's sort of how elected contests work. Is McCain supposed to get a say because he was first runner-up, or what?

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Obs wrote: »
    Though, he has not kept that up in good faith. Christ, didn't he even tell the Republicans once "I believe I won, therefore I trump you." on some stimulus bill shit? This is not what we expected at all.
    When bills and "shit" are being debated on the Senate floor, "Obama" does not really "tell" "Republicans" things like "I believe I won, therefore I trump you." So like, I don't know where you get ideas like this!

    Well, when they tried to dictate to him, he basically said elections have consequences and the Republicans got all snotty about it.

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  • DarkCrawlerDarkCrawler Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Obs wrote: »
    wazilla wrote: »
    The first post is just OP's opinion, right? Because it doesn't look like a partial rundown...

    What gave it away, the Obama is a socialist meme?

    What? You mean that isn't just cold hard objective fact? I'm shocked.

    Obs. What do you make of Obama winning traditionally red states in the general election? Certainly he has bipartisan appeal.

    He campaigned on bipartisanship, and that's why he won the red states.

    Though, he has not kept that up in good faith. Christ, didn't he even tell the Republicans once "I believe I won, therefore I trump you." on some stimulus bill shit? This is not what we expected at all.

    No, that's not what he said at all.

    And even if he did...it's true. He did win. Democrats are the majority, their opinion SHOULD trump GOP's. That's how democracy works.
    Obs wrote: »
    No I voted for Obama.

    And he's done pretty much what he said he was going to do. Of course he hasn't completed everything because it has been only a hundred fucking days and he has 1,360 left before the 2012 election, but he's making headway on them.

    So why are you pissed off again? If you don't agree with the Democratic platform, why vote for it?

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