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Alberta gov't to make evolution classes optional under proposed law.
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No, if it's wrong, you change it.
That's what was done with teaching Creationism the first time around. It was wrong, so it was changed.
Now someone wants to reintroduce it to students, which is really just a clusterfuck.
It's extremely counter productive.
No, you're just confusing secular governments with theocracies and pretending that they're both the same.
I've taken that out of the equation with my later posts seeing as how people couldn't see past it to the underlying question I'm asking:
Regardless of popular opinion, if your local school is teaching something you do not want your child exposed to, do you have the right to exclude your child from that class/lesson? Or should your child be "forced" to be taught that lesson that you are against?
Absolutely true. The common thread of reactionary religions is to shield their children from any and all digressing or different ideas because the religions know that they lack a better argument and have to force compulsion as a result.
I have the right to exclude my children from whatever I want. Evolution is just a theory. Like climate change and the metric system. I won't have my kids growing up learning some nonsense from patty bachelors degree from hitler state gaynifagsity.
And you're still ignoring the question of who put that subject matter into the curriculum.
I can only speak for my province, as it's what I'm most familiar with. In Ontario, we have a Government ordained curriculum. I don't know if that differs from province to province or state to state.
If I had a problem with the curriculum, I would address it by challenging the curriculum. I wouldn't tell my kid to stick his fingers in his ears and hum a song.
It says in the op that any discussion with religion, sexuality or sexual orientation gets the same treatment. So it would be possible for a parent to pull their kid out of any discussion that includes talk about homosexuality. That is just amazingly bizarre. It doesn't even need to be sex ed necessarily (pulling your kids out of that is also weird), it could be a course about society, or even about tolerance.
Lets do a class on tolerance!
Oh but since we might be talking about religion and sexuality you have to get your parents consent.
I don't my kids learning about them homos....
Also to the point of evolution. Pulling your kid out of evolution teachings is a good way for them to fail in future biology classes.
I'm talking about your hypothetical, not Canada. The supposed 'wishy-washiness' or hypocrisy of the posters only manifests when you produce a curriculum crafted by someone who shouldn't be empowered to make decisions about public education.
You should know better than this.
Bad! That's a very bad province!
So it's the public school's job to teach our kids about the Civil Rights Movement?
If I prefer to do that myself without some stranger teaching them God-knows-what I'm wrong?
Yes.
One of these two concepts involve personal lifestyle choices and the other is factual, historical information. Do you know the difference?
What? What's next, we let schools force my kid to learn about math?
IN MY HOUSE WE DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT TRASH.
What kind of sex-ed courses did you have? Mine was all about factual, historical information regarding the transmission of diseases and preventive measures that are presently available. Also the basic biological method by which reproduction occurs. It's not like we sat around watching porn while the teacher instructed us on the appropriate methods of using anal beads.
Like I said, I don't know because I'm not there in class with them.
In any case, what's funny to me is how this board typically advocates choice unless it's something you disagree with, and then CHOICE IS BAD.
And yea, why people gotta be robbing me of my choice to kill people? I mean obviously if some choice is good then all choice is good, right?
One of you says conservatives are fucking stupid, then the rest of you start jerking each other off, repeat 20x the next day.
Is that about right?
You stopped lurking for this?
Well, I'm for it!
So... the situation is unchanged and this is much ado about nothing?
I mean I spent K-10 in a rural area of a socially conservative province and nobody ever pulled their kid of out sex-ed or any other classes. I guess the option always existed for us too, but it was never used to the best of my knowledge.
If you ever need to talk to someone, feel free to message me. Yes, that includes you.
No, it's just that some conservatives have no valid argument other than "I don't like it" and they then get upset when the rest of us jerk offs pile on and call them on the vapidity of their argument.
Sex-ed and science classes are based in fundamental, objective teachings and it is to everyone's benefit that we instruct our young in these things. You don't get to challenge math because you don't believe in the represented value of the number 1, nor do you get to pull your child out of math instruction because "you don't like math."
So sexuality is a choice, now?
I love how this seems to be an either/or situation. I want my hypothetical future-spawn to learn stuff from both their parents and their school. I plan to be involved enough in their lives so that I know if their school is teaching them things I don't agree with, and I'll be there to provide my alternative perspective rather than pull them out of lessons in case they start thinking things different to me. If my perspective of the world doesn't stand up to an opposing viewpoint, it's not worth having or teaching.
- There is a bit of a fuzzy line here separating religion from non-religion. In the mind of a YEC, for example, God creating the world in six literal days is an incontrovertible fact, just as people who aren't wrong assert that evolution is a fact. It's not just a matter of religion to them.
- That said, they can learn to deal. When 99.999% of all experts in the field are saying A is true, we have to go on the assumption that A is true. Especially when the 0.001% is only saying A is false because they entered the field specifically to try to prove it so. That's not how science works. Or any sort of fact-based study, for that matter.
- Creationists aren't required to agree with the curricula. If they believe in a 6-day Creation, they can teach their kids about that all damned night. But the school still gets to teach them the facts agreed upon by just about everyone not ignorant while those kids are on school grounds.
- Sex-ed is a bit of a different beast. For starters, it has two backs.
- That was bad and I apologize.
- Seriously, there are defensible reasons to withdraw your child from sex-ed that have nothing to do with being a freaky prude-boy. There is a reason we don't just teach sex-ed and STD prevention in kindergarten; children need to reach a certain level of emotional maturity before they can deal with all that info in a responsible fashion. And not all children mature at the same rate. While most kids held back from sex-ed classes are likely just saddled with freaky prude parents, there may be some who are actually so withheld for good cause. Parents should have that right, given that they are the best judges of their children's temperments, even if many parents will be stupid about it.
Sure:
Evolution isn't historical information now? Oh wait did you not remember the topic?
I follow lies with absolute truths.
Do you underSTAND the idea behind education systems or are you just going to continue spouting nonsense spins to make it look like we want to 'oppress teh peoples'?