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Windows 7: Releasing on 10/22/09 - RC is Free to Download

JasconiusJasconius sword criminalmad onlineRegistered User regular
edited September 2009 in Moe's Stupid Technology Tavern
Windows 7

How awesome is it? Very awesome. Since the earliest public betas Windows 7 has been garnering high praise from both users and critics. In a nutshell, Windows 7 addresses a majority of the problems that were introduced in Windows Vista while simultaneously adding new features that make it more competitive with OSX in terms of a home-user experience. Sticky notes, a vastly improved video player, dramatic improvements personal file management and networking are high on the list. Under the hood, W7 addresses performance on mid to low end systems, including faster boot ups and shutdowns, and a massively improved Aero which can run smoothly on anything but a toaster.

Official propaganda can be found here: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/

Where can I get it?

There is a release candidate floating around for free download and key distribution. Windows 7 is officially on pre-order (though some locations have already sold out). It can be purchased from any electronics retailer on 10/22/09.

There are three versions

Basic - Third world offering, not available in the US.
Home - This is basically what XP pro used to be in terms of features
Office - XP Pro + an XP virtual machine for ancient legacy programs and a couple of features for data backup, etc
Ultimate - lol

Will my shit run?

Most likely yes. In my personal experiences I've found Windows 7 to be more device friendly than Vista, has better support for ancient drivers, and serves up a lot of drivers via Windows Update. On my laptop I didn't have to install a single goddamn driver, even a network driver, the Windows 7 install took care of all that. My desktop was a bit of a different story. Sound Blaster takes some finagling to get it to work, as do things like eSATA expansion cards, but they all work. The only thing I've found that hasn't worked was a ~7 year old USB scanner.

In terms of program compatibility, also better than Vista. I haven't had a program that I can remember not run, including some older Win 98 games that would not function under Vista. All of your standard fare such as Office 07, Open Office, Chrome (with a minor hack), etc will work fine... even under 64-bit.

*edit*
Actually, Daemon Tools doesn't work, at least, as of Build 7000 - however there is a reasonable alternative that does work called Virtual Clone Drive.

Will my shit crash horribly and burn all my dataz?

Probably not. There are some people here that will attest to the fact that this is by far the most stable version of Windows they've used, and I pretty much have to agree. I've had 1 (one) crash since using Windows 7 between two computers since the weekend the beta came out, and I am pretty sure it was my fault, not Windows 7's fault... it is just great.

How do I upgrade from 7xxx to 7100?

Look here: http://www.blogsdna.com/3083/how-to-upgrade-windows-7-beta-build-7000-to-windows-7-rc-build-7100.htm

I did this on my 64-bit laptop and it didn't seem to hurt anything (although it did end my trials of Adobe CS4 prematurely). Upgrading my laptop with a 7200RPM drive and 200 gigs of stuff took just under 3 hours. So be prepared to not use your computer for an afternoon.

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I got Messenger to show up in the system tray by setting its Compatibility to Vista. I think the result is ideal, because it still retains the win7 popup menu that way.

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    RizziRizzi Sydney, Australia.Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    How would I go about obtaining a beta key?
    :P

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    TheFid2TheFid2 Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I'm installing this on an Asus 1000 HE as we speak.

    If I dig it, I'm putting it on my main desktop.

    I can just upgrade right from Vista, right? No muss, no fuss?

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    They are going to be handing them out on May 5th for the RC release... I don't know if there's any other way right now. You can try accessing Microsoft TechNet with your Windows Live account (aka hotmail) but I am not sure that works if you didn't have a key originally.

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    TheFid2TheFid2 Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Rizzi wrote: »
    How would I go about obtaining a beta key?
    :P

    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/beta-download.aspx

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    TheFid2 wrote: »
    I'm installing this on an Asus 1000 HE as we speak.

    If I dig it, I'm putting it on my main desktop.

    I can just upgrade right from Vista, right? No muss, no fuss?

    As long as you are using the same architecture.

    If you have Vista 32, you need to use W7 32, and 64-bit to 64-bit...


    I am using 64 bit on both my machines and it has been great.

    *edit*

    Also, upgrading takes a fucking long time. Expect to not use your computer for at least 2 hours, 3 if it's a laptop.

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Might be useful to have the hack to do an update install from the beta in the OP?

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    MangarooMangaroo LondonRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I have nothing to do today so i'll be upgrading. I got a key a few days ago, will that still be ok? I'm torrenting 7100 x64 now, there is no imminent release of an upgrade or anything? Any tips? :)

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    PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Hey guys, what does it mean when all my Penny-Arcade tabs are pink?

    In IE8 tabs are grouped together by making them a certain color. If you have any XP or Vista machines, I'd recommend that you install IE8 on those.

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    ImpersonatorImpersonator Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Peewi wrote: »
    Hey guys, what does it mean when all my Penny-Arcade tabs are pink?

    In IE8 tabs are grouped together by making them a certain color. If you have any XP or Vista machines, I'd recommend that you install IE8 on those.

    Irony. It's a figure of speech.

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    If this is as good as people say it is, I may have to build a new machine.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Spoit wrote: »
    Might be useful to have the hack to do an update install from the beta in the OP?

    done

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    GPIA7RGPIA7R Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    So I'm freshly into Windows 7...

    Maybe we should have some sort of "Things to do first" guide... like what to check out and experience right off the bat. I mean, one thing everyone should do first is turn off their UAC notifications...

    But, other than maintenance things, what kind of stuff should I look at first? What kinds of features have I probably not seen yet in Windows 7? I know the whole "Show desktop" effect, and the "shaky shaky minimizy" thing... what else is there?

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    xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    If you alt+tab with a game up, it'll render the game in the alt+tab bar. Probably only a satisfying effect if the game is running in windowed mode.

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    GPIA7RGPIA7R Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I did notice that...

    I also noticed that TF2, in full-screen (not windowed), would keep running fullscreen on main monitor while I was doing stuff on 2nd monitor. Typically, it would minimize itself if I ever clicked out. Tried to recreate the situation, but it didn't work the 2nd time.. Musta been a fluke.

    Any neat graphical effects to play with?

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    TheFid2TheFid2 Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I just finished tweaking things on my Asus Netbook and my main desktop

    This is great stuff. Runs like a dream

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    Mustachio JonesMustachio Jones jerseyRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I did a clean install from 7057 to 7100 last night, with almost catastrophic results.

    UAC was on medium strength stupid by default, except that it wasn't giving me the prompt to let things install. Driver installs paused at a certain point, sitting there; the progress bar forever stuck. Programs weren't responding. Shutting down hung indefinitely.

    It took me about a half an hour to figure it out, and I feel pretty dumb for it.

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    SudsSuds Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Looking forward to the RC on the 5th.

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    GPIA7RGPIA7R Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Anyone else notice Windows 7 adjusting your volume levels when you do specific things? I can be listening to streaming audio, and in Windows voice chat... then once I open a game it'll lower the volume of everything else...

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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    edited May 2009
    So, I'm on build 7000 still. Can I update to the RC when it's out?

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    MangarooMangaroo LondonRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I just fresh installed my first windows 7 (7100)...lovvvving it

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    Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Since I haven't used XP since I installed 7 at home, I really ought to look into getting the RC I guess?
    Is there an upgrade path?

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    unpurposedunpurposed Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I have a problem.

    I installed VLC last night on the RC and set all the defaults within the program. However, none of the defaults took hold and so everything still defaults back to WMP. Tried changing this within the Default Program dialog but VLC doesn't show up. The shell extension that adds 'Play in VLC Media player' is also not there. Any suggestions?

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    ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the sword http://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I have a beta key, I guess I have to go get this new RC when it comes out Tuesday. Sounds like fun. I think Instead of backing up, I'll go buy a new hard drive and just use it as a scratch disk for this whole WIN7 shenanigans.

    So far, It sounds like its actually an upgrade from XP, with features people want. I really want to try this.

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    JAEFJAEF Unstoppably Bald Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    So I have a 150GB Raptor drive I'm going to be clearing my Vista install out of to put the RC onto on the 5th. Any special formatting shit I should be doing? I just left it as one big partition last time and it's where I keep windows and all my game installs, with all random files/downloads/legally purchased items on two high capacity 7200RPM drives. Thoughts?

    Edit: What about dual booting with Linux? I install Linux first right? Should I set up three crazy partitions for maximum insanity?

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    ObsObs __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    If I want to try the beta of Windows 7 later (not on May 5th) should I still get a beta key on May 5th? Do Beta Key's expire?

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    Big DookieBig Dookie Smells great! Houston, TXRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I did have a question in the other thread, but it was botp'd and end-of-threaded, so let me try one more time.
    The only real issue I'm having is that I can NOT do a Windows Experience Index for some reason. I'm thinking it has something to do with my video drivers, but I don't know. I'll have to keep messing with it. It will start the index, and then just sit there for hours and hours on end. Anyone else have this issue?

    To provide more info, this is a Radeon HD 2600 Pro on an iMac, if that helps. I installed the most recent Windows 7 pre-release drivers from ATI's web site, and they seem to work fine for everything except for when I try to run the WEI. It starts to run and then just freezes and won't do anything. I can't even cancel out of it. Any ideas?

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    Fizban140Fizban140 Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    I just got an email telling me to upgrade to the RC, I already have the beta is there any reason to upgrade?

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    algorhythm3.14algorhythm3.14 Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    The new build of Windows Media Center that will ship with Windows 7 (and is build 7100) is massively optimized. Yay!

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    SudsSuds Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    GPIA7R wrote: »
    Anyone else notice Windows 7 adjusting your volume levels when you do specific things? I can be listening to streaming audio, and in Windows voice chat... then once I open a game it'll lower the volume of everything else...

    Go to the communication tab of the Sound setting in Control panel. When Windows detects communication activity: do nothing.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Echo wrote: »
    So, I'm on build 7000 still. Can I update to the RC when it's out?

    Yes, see OP for instructions on how to upgrade.

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    GPIA7RGPIA7R Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Suds wrote: »
    GPIA7R wrote: »
    Anyone else notice Windows 7 adjusting your volume levels when you do specific things? I can be listening to streaming audio, and in Windows voice chat... then once I open a game it'll lower the volume of everything else...

    Go to the communication tab of the Sound setting in Control panel. When Windows detects communication activity: do nothing.

    Love you

    <3

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    CL4usVALCACL4usVALCA Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    unpurposed wrote: »
    I have a problem.

    I installed VLC last night on the RC and set all the defaults within the program. However, none of the defaults took hold and so everything still defaults back to WMP. Tried changing this within the Default Program dialog but VLC doesn't show up. The shell extension that adds 'Play in VLC Media player' is also not there. Any suggestions?

    Are you using UAC? If so, when the installer asked you to start VLC when it was finished, did you? If you did the settings would've been changed using your elevated user token instead of your standard user token. When you subsequently start VLC as your regular user level the settings will be the default and you will need to set them again. That's what sounds like happened. If you closed the installer and fired up VLC separately then there may be another issue.

    Crap, sorry. This sounds like a different issue.

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    psychotixpsychotix __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    FYI, if any of your are on OCZ vertex drives for this, please update firmware, older firmware caused hell for me, and it's common, I fly on the newest.

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    ArcticMonkeyArcticMonkey Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    JAEF wrote: »
    So I have a 150GB Raptor drive I'm going to be clearing my Vista install out of to put the RC onto on the 5th. Any special formatting shit I should be doing? I just left it as one big partition last time and it's where I keep windows and all my game installs, with all random files/downloads/legally purchased items on two high capacity 7200RPM drives. Thoughts?

    Edit: What about dual booting with Linux? I install Linux first right? Should I set up three crazy partitions for maximum insanity?
    Install Windows first.
    I haven't tried with Win7 yet, but every time I installed Windows after Linux it has fucked up Linux, while every time I install Linux last it has behaved correctly.

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    exisexis Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    JAEF wrote: »
    So I have a 150GB Raptor drive I'm going to be clearing my Vista install out of to put the RC onto on the 5th. Any special formatting shit I should be doing? I just left it as one big partition last time and it's where I keep windows and all my game installs, with all random files/downloads/legally purchased items on two high capacity 7200RPM drives. Thoughts?

    Edit: What about dual booting with Linux? I install Linux first right? Should I set up three crazy partitions for maximum insanity?
    Install Windows first.
    I haven't tried with Win7 yet, but every time I installed Windows after Linux it has fucked up Linux, while every time I install Linux last it has behaved correctly.

    Also, if you're going to be running Ubuntu, you might want to consider wubi.

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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    edited May 2009
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Echo wrote: »
    So, I'm on build 7000 still. Can I update to the RC when it's out?

    Yes, see OP for instructions on how to upgrade.

    People put information in the OP nowadays? o_O

    Thanks.

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    unpurposedunpurposed Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    CL4usVALCA wrote: »
    unpurposed wrote: »
    I have a problem.

    I installed VLC last night on the RC and set all the defaults within the program. However, none of the defaults took hold and so everything still defaults back to WMP. Tried changing this within the Default Program dialog but VLC doesn't show up. The shell extension that adds 'Play in VLC Media player' is also not there. Any suggestions?

    Are you using UAC? If so, when the installer asked you to start VLC when it was finished, did you? If you did the settings would've been changed using your elevated user token instead of your standard user token. When you subsequently start VLC as your regular user level the settings will be the default and you will need to set them again. That's what sounds like happened. If you closed the installer and fired up VLC separately then there may be another issue.

    Crap, sorry. This sounds like a different issue.

    I uninstalled it and reinstalled and something changed and now it works. Huh.

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    exisexis Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    So is there any word on when more beta keys will be available, or any sort of waiting list?

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    PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    exis wrote: »
    So is there any word on when more beta keys will be available, or any sort of waiting list?

    Uhhh, what? Just go to http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/beta-download.aspx and get a key there.

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    exisexis Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Peewi wrote: »
    exis wrote: »
    So is there any word on when more beta keys will be available, or any sort of waiting list?

    Uhhh, what? Just go to http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/beta-download.aspx and get a key there.

    Oh, okay. I spent about half an hour trying to get through those links lastnight and concluded that it was screwing up because my Live ID wasn't attached to an existing product key. I guess they were just overloaded.

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