The new forums will be named Coin Return (based on the most recent vote)! You can check on the status and timeline of the transition to the new forums here.
The Guiding Principles and New Rules document is now in effect.

Wireless Internet

AnteCantelopeAnteCantelope Registered User regular
edited May 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
My current internet connection doesn't allow my 360 or PS3 on the internet, and doesn't allow some programs like Steam to access the internet either. I was looking at getting wireless internet, because any form of ADSL is unavailable in this place, and found one deal that seemed alright. I was just wondering though, if someone could tell me about wireless internet.

I've been led to believe that you can't really play games online over wireless internet, because it sends ad receives data in bursts, so I'd be getting lots of lag. I could live without multiplayer, but can someone tell me if this is true?

This wireless deal involves a USB modem and a SIM card. I always thought that wireless internet involved big external modems and had nothing to do with SIM cards, so I was just wondering if this is normal.

Can I connect my 360 and ps3 to my computer and let them access the internet, or would I need to plug the modem directly into the consoles? The biggest issue for me with this internet connection is getting my consoles back online, so this is important, I need to know how this would work.

Thanks, and if this belongs in the technology forum, feel free to tell me.

AnteCantelope on

Posts

  • KrikeeKrikee Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Wireless internet is fine for services that don't require high availability such as games, VoIP & IPTV; but, I would definitely plug your consoles in via standard ethernet cables because CSMA/CA will ruin any games requiring quick response times. (CSMA/CA is a fancy acronym that stands for Carrier Sense Media Access with Collision Avoidance. Basically, a wireless transmitter won't send a signal unless the wavelength is clear; in other words, the more wireless routers in the area the less available your transmission wavelengths are. This is also a cause for random latency spikes over wireless.) If you do choose the wireless internet route please use WEP2 encryption because the ability to break into any systems using weaker authentication mechanisms is easily available to a tech savvy elementary kid.

    As for the USB + SIM card combo, I'm not quite sure what you're referring to. Are you getting wireless internet via a telephone company? That is a bit different than what is typically considered "wireless" internet.

    Krikee on
  • AnteCantelopeAnteCantelope Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Krikee wrote: »
    Wireless internet is fine for services that don't require high availability such as games, VoIP & IPTV; but, I would definitely plug your consoles in via standard ethernet cables because CSMA/CA will ruin any games requiring quick response times. (CSMA/CA is a fancy acronym that stands for Carrier Sense Media Access with Collision Avoidance. Basically, a wireless transmitter won't send a signal unless the wavelength is clear; in other words, the more wireless routers in the area the less available your transmission wavelengths are. This is also a cause for random latency spikes over wireless.) If you do choose the wireless internet route please use WEP2 encryption because the ability to break into any systems using weaker authentication mechanisms is easily available to a tech savvy elementary kid.

    As for the USB + SIM card combo, I'm not quite sure what you're referring to. Are you getting wireless internet via a telephone company? That is a bit different than what is typically considered "wireless" internet.

    Well, I was searching around for 'wireless internet', and got some references to something called 'mobile internet'. It involves a SIM card, and a USB modem, and seems otherwise pretty much the same. I don't really know enough about wireless internet to be any more help, sorry. Here's the site that I'm looking at:
    http://broadbandguide.com.au/wireless/plans

    AnteCantelope on
  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Krikee wrote: »
    Wireless internet is fine for services that don't require high availability such as games, VoIP & IPTV; but, I would definitely plug your consoles in via standard ethernet cables because CSMA/CA will ruin any games requiring quick response times. (CSMA/CA is a fancy acronym that stands for Carrier Sense Media Access with Collision Avoidance. Basically, a wireless transmitter won't send a signal unless the wavelength is clear; in other words, the more wireless routers in the area the less available your transmission wavelengths are. This is also a cause for random latency spikes over wireless.) If you do choose the wireless internet route please use WEP2 encryption because the ability to break into any systems using weaker authentication mechanisms is easily available to a tech savvy elementary kid.

    As for the USB + SIM card combo, I'm not quite sure what you're referring to. Are you getting wireless internet via a telephone company? That is a bit different than what is typically considered "wireless" internet.

    Well, I was searching around for 'wireless internet', and got some references to something called 'mobile internet'. It involves a SIM card, and a USB modem, and seems otherwise pretty much the same. I don't really know enough about wireless internet to be any more help, sorry. Here's the site that I'm looking at:
    http://broadbandguide.com.au/wireless/plans

    Your conflating two things. The wireless internet you're thinking of with a big modem is really just a wireless network connected to the internet through a modem like what you're using now. What you've been researching is usually called "mobile broadband" here in the US, and uses a small antenna to access the internet through mobile phone networks. I'm pretty sure gaming over mobile networks would be very slow because of the latency.

    RUNN1NGMAN on
  • AnteCantelopeAnteCantelope Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    Krikee wrote: »
    Wireless internet is fine for services that don't require high availability such as games, VoIP & IPTV; but, I would definitely plug your consoles in via standard ethernet cables because CSMA/CA will ruin any games requiring quick response times. (CSMA/CA is a fancy acronym that stands for Carrier Sense Media Access with Collision Avoidance. Basically, a wireless transmitter won't send a signal unless the wavelength is clear; in other words, the more wireless routers in the area the less available your transmission wavelengths are. This is also a cause for random latency spikes over wireless.) If you do choose the wireless internet route please use WEP2 encryption because the ability to break into any systems using weaker authentication mechanisms is easily available to a tech savvy elementary kid.

    As for the USB + SIM card combo, I'm not quite sure what you're referring to. Are you getting wireless internet via a telephone company? That is a bit different than what is typically considered "wireless" internet.

    Well, I was searching around for 'wireless internet', and got some references to something called 'mobile internet'. It involves a SIM card, and a USB modem, and seems otherwise pretty much the same. I don't really know enough about wireless internet to be any more help, sorry. Here's the site that I'm looking at:
    http://broadbandguide.com.au/wireless/plans

    Your conflating two things. The wireless internet you're thinking of with a big modem is really just a wireless network connected to the internet through a modem like what you're using now. What you've been researching is usually called "mobile broadband" here in the US, and uses a small antenna to access the internet through mobile phone networks. I'm pretty sure gaming over mobile networks would be very slow because of the latency.

    OK, so if I want an internet connection that doesn't need a phone line, I need mobile internet.

    I can live without multiplayer. That's not a big deal to me, and I was told that it had a heap of lag. What I want to know is, can I connect the ps3 and 360 to my computer, and get them online. I hate missing out on DLC and demos because of my crappy internet connection, and so I want to know that I could connect those to a mobile internet connection.

    Are there any Australians here with experience with Dodo? Virgin is a bit cheaper, but has something like 256kbps max speeds. I'm looking at $45/month for 3gig with Dodo, which seems to be the best deal I can get without a contract. I need one without a contract, because I'll be moving, hopefully to a place with ADSL, in around 6 months. Also, $45 for 3 gig is much better than my current wired connection, which is $20 per gig.

    AnteCantelope on
  • exoplasmexoplasm Gainfully Employed Near Blizzard HQRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    You can connect them, but keep in mind downloading DLC will likely get your account shut off real quick for bandwidth caps on a mobile broadband plan.

    You can't get a cable modem or anything?

    exoplasm on
    1029386-1.png
    SC2 NA: exoplasm.519 | PA SC2 Mumble Server | My Website | My Stream
  • AnteCantelopeAnteCantelope Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    exoplasm wrote: »
    You can connect them, but keep in mind downloading DLC will likely get your account shut off real quick for bandwidth caps on a mobile broadband plan.

    You can't get a cable modem or anything?

    All I have is an ethernet connection to the university's internet.

    Can you tell me what you mean? What are bandwidth caps? The download limit I'm looking at now is more than I use on this uni connection (although last year I had a 50gig/month connection) so I could easily keep it under the 3 gig/month limit, and if I go over, I can just switch back to the uni's connection.

    AnteCantelope on
  • AnteCantelopeAnteCantelope Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I just found a different deal, this one's with unwired. Does anyone here have any experience with them? They seem to have great deals and no contracts, plus I can get an in-home demonstration to make sure it works with the consoles.

    AnteCantelope on
  • TrentusTrentus Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I'm actually using a shared unwired connection at the moment (in a similar situation to you with a lack of broadband options due to uni). I can't tell you too much about what they're like with regards to customer service or anything as my mate handles all of that (I just give him $15 each month for access). We're on the 1mbit/256kbit plan with 45GB of data, shared between 6 of us. It seems to perform fairly well considering (until we reach the data cap and start getting throttled. With 6 people trying to use it it makes it unusable).

    If you get the ethernet modem, you should have no problem connecting it to your consoles or to a router if that's the way you wanted to go. It doesn't require any special software on your part or anything, so it's platform agnostic.

    Trentus on
  • AnteCantelopeAnteCantelope Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Well, I really liked the look of Unwired, so I am now posting from my new internet connection while my XBox downloads an update. In a minute, I will connect my PS3 to the internet for the first time.

    AnteCantelope on
  • cramcram Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I'm also at the university of sydney, I assume you're at one of the colleges? I've got unwired, the only thing to watch out for is that it can get a bit slow. I wouldn't really recommend playing games over it. You see the modems in quite a few windows around suv. For the university web you pay through the nose and get blazing fast speeds, with unwired the price isn't much better but you don't have to worry about proxies.

    cram on
  • AnteCantelopeAnteCantelope Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    cram wrote: »
    I'm also at the university of sydney, I assume you're at one of the colleges? I've got unwired, the only thing to watch out for is that it can get a bit slow. I wouldn't really recommend playing games over it. You see the modems in quite a few windows around suv. For the university web you pay through the nose and get blazing fast speeds, with unwired the price isn't much better but you don't have to worry about proxies.

    Now my modem is one that you'll see in the windows of SUV. It's about a quarter of the price of usyd's internet, and steam, xbox live, and psn don't work through the proxy. I think this is going pretty well so far.

    AnteCantelope on
Sign In or Register to comment.