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[Deadliest Brorrior]Broldiers vs Brommandos

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    UltimaGeckoUltimaGecko Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Gaddez wrote: »
    The whole point of a phalanx is so that individual hoplite soldiers can protect each other with their shields (and contrary to 300, there's no reason for individual soldiers to go run out ahead and start stabbing people). The combat between phalanxes evolved specifically as a means of resolving conflict between Greek city-states and probably wouldn't function exceptionally well outside of the fitting geography of Greece (Greek armies of the 7th-4th century BC generally lacked ranged support or cavalry).
    Actually, the Phalanx wound up crushing the Persian empire when Alexander the great went forth to fight them.

    Alexander was Macedonian and utilized cavalry as well as other foreign troops. My time periods might be off, but I believe that also approaches a period when spears began growing progressively longer. The general idea of a phalanx corresponds to a tight formation of spearman, which is why a formation of Swiss halberdiers is sometimes called a phalanx. Despite the similarity, hoplite-based phanlaxes fought in a different way than spearmen designed to combat cavalry or non-hoplite infantry.

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    SkutSkutSkutSkut Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I can't say I'm surpised about tonights victor.

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    ZampanoZampano Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    That was one of the more rewarding episodes. Seeing the guy go to town on the gel dummy with the pointed rods was nuts. Even the Maori guy was impressed.

    I can't wait to see next week. William Wallace vs Shaka Zulu. Dear god.

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    TrusTrus Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Zampano wrote: »
    That was one of the more rewarding episodes. Seeing the guy go to town on the gel dummy with the pointed rods was nuts. Even the Maori guy was impressed.

    I can't wait to see next week. William Wallace vs Shaka Zulu. Dear god.

    So its no longer the deadliest warriors but now the deadliest people?

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    ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    SkutSkut wrote: »
    I can't say I'm surpised about tonights victor.

    I actually think they fucked it up. They kept placing the shaolin as the one who was skilled and well trained when, if you think about it, they were amateurs compared to the dedicated warrior class of the Polynesians. They also forgot that the main benefit of metal is its malleability, and that, once they're both made, the "modern" stone tool is probably going to work better.

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    SkutSkutSkutSkut Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I think Wallace and Shaka Zulu is going to be a once in a while thing.

    And maybe Scalfin, but I don't know too much about either side really.

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    DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Anyone boasting that they would just keep fighting after getting hit by one of those Monk Weapons has earned a slow and bloody death.

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    GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Trus wrote: »
    Zampano wrote: »
    That was one of the more rewarding episodes. Seeing the guy go to town on the gel dummy with the pointed rods was nuts. Even the Maori guy was impressed.

    I can't wait to see next week. William Wallace vs Shaka Zulu. Dear god.
    So its no longer the deadliest warriors but now the deadliest people?
    Mike Wallace vs. Chaka Khan

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    ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    GungHo wrote: »
    Trus wrote: »
    Zampano wrote: »
    That was one of the more rewarding episodes. Seeing the guy go to town on the gel dummy with the pointed rods was nuts. Even the Maori guy was impressed.

    I can't wait to see next week. William Wallace vs Shaka Zulu. Dear god.
    So its no longer the deadliest warriors but now the deadliest people?
    Mike Wallace vs. Chaka Khan

    Andy Rooney is the one to watch for. If age and guile beat youth and strength, then Andy Rooney has to be one of the most devious bastards around.

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    override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Damnit I really want to see stormtrooper vs red shirt... I've been thinking about it and it would be the greatest battle ever

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    Rhan9Rhan9 Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Damnit I really want to see stormtrooper vs red shirt... I've been thinking about it and it would be the greatest battle ever
    Both die :P

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    ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Damnit I really want to see stormtrooper vs red shirt... I've been thinking about it and it would be the greatest battle ever

    It would be boring. They'd both stand there and shoot at each other, missing each time until they run out of shots.

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    FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Everything about this show is totally devoid of intelligence. I love it.

    I don't care how stupid it is. This is the only show where I get to see dudes fuck up a pig corpse with nun-chucks.

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    Pi-r8Pi-r8 Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Seemed odd that they never had the Shaolin guys demonstrate any weaponless martial arts.

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    ReznikReznik Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Those Maori guys were hilarious

    "B-b-b-b-but we're big!!"

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    GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Pi-r8 wrote: »
    Seemed odd that they never had the Shaolin guys demonstrate any weaponless martial arts.
    Weaponless martial arts are meaningless if the other guy has a weapon. Jujutsu wasn't developed because some samurai decided to be a tough shit and would throw down his sword in every battle. It was developed because if you lost your sword in a battle, you're fuckin screwed until you can get another one.

    And, given some of the "flash transitions", it looks like they did. You can see people kicking the shit out of the dummies. However, they only aired weapon comparison segments.

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    DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Pi-r8 wrote: »
    Seemed odd that they never had the Shaolin guys demonstrate any weaponless martial arts.

    they'd just rate it as non-lethal and no matter how effective you'd lose all points, like the ninja egg.

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    Pi-r8Pi-r8 Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    GungHo wrote: »
    Pi-r8 wrote: »
    Seemed odd that they never had the Shaolin guys demonstrate any weaponless martial arts.
    Weaponless martial arts are meaningless if the other guy has a weapon. Jujutsu wasn't developed because some samurai decided to be a tough shit and would throw down his sword in every battle. It was developed because if you lost your sword in a battle, you're fuckin screwed until you can get another one.

    And, given some of the "flash transitions", it looks like they did. You can see people kicking the shit out of the dummies. However, they only aired weapon comparison segments.

    But it's what the monks are most famous for. The show is for entertainment, not any sort of accuracy, otherwise gun >> all.

    Especially when the tested the maori club thing breaking bricks... seems like the type of thing the monks ought to be able to do with their bare hands.

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    DocDoc Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2009
    Pi-r8 wrote: »
    GungHo wrote: »
    Pi-r8 wrote: »
    Seemed odd that they never had the Shaolin guys demonstrate any weaponless martial arts.
    Weaponless martial arts are meaningless if the other guy has a weapon. Jujutsu wasn't developed because some samurai decided to be a tough shit and would throw down his sword in every battle. It was developed because if you lost your sword in a battle, you're fuckin screwed until you can get another one.

    And, given some of the "flash transitions", it looks like they did. You can see people kicking the shit out of the dummies. However, they only aired weapon comparison segments.

    But it's what the monks are most famous for. The show is for entertainment, not any sort of accuracy, otherwise gun >> all.

    Especially when the tested the maori club thing breaking bricks... seems like the type of thing the monks ought to be able to do with their bare hands.

    Also that they were proving the superiority of the stone to steel by trying to break the bricks with a steel knife. WTF, try a steel mace or a maul and see those bricks turn to dust.

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    BubbaTBubbaT Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    GungHo wrote: »
    Trus wrote: »
    Zampano wrote: »
    That was one of the more rewarding episodes. Seeing the guy go to town on the gel dummy with the pointed rods was nuts. Even the Maori guy was impressed.

    I can't wait to see next week. William Wallace vs Shaka Zulu. Dear god.
    So its no longer the deadliest warriors but now the deadliest people?
    Mike Wallace vs. Chaka Khan

    Audie Murphy vs Eddie Murphy

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    ZampanoZampano Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Rhan9 wrote: »
    Damnit I really want to see stormtrooper vs red shirt... I've been thinking about it and it would be the greatest battle ever
    Both die :P
    I'd like to think that the Storm Trooper armor would offer at least some protection against the Two-Fisted Punch and the Palm Thrust to the Chin, which are both the only martial arts moves taught by Starfleet.

    I'm not even sure that Red Shirts can use phasers. I've never seen one.

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    Richard_DastardlyRichard_Dastardly Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    BubbaT wrote: »
    GungHo wrote: »
    Trus wrote: »
    Zampano wrote: »
    That was one of the more rewarding episodes. Seeing the guy go to town on the gel dummy with the pointed rods was nuts. Even the Maori guy was impressed.

    I can't wait to see next week. William Wallace vs Shaka Zulu. Dear god.
    So its no longer the deadliest warriors but now the deadliest people?
    Mike Wallace vs. Chaka Khan

    Audie Murphy vs Eddie Murphy

    Cat Stevens vs. Katt Williams
    It's a draw.
    Stevens brings the suicide belt.

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    BamaBama Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Jim Bowie vs David Bowie

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    GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    BubbaT wrote: »
    Audie Murphy vs Eddie Murphy
    Does Eddie get to bring a tranny as his weapon of choice?
    Bama wrote: »
    Jim Bowie vs David Bowie
    While Jim Bowie has the big knife, he doesn't know whether or not to pluck out the blue eye or the brown eye and during the surprise round, he is overrun by a mariachi band.

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    see317see317 Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    They need to reshoot the Pirate vs. Knight episode with modern day knights and pirates.

    Paul McCartney facing down a Somalian with an RPG.

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    GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Zampano wrote: »
    That was one of the more rewarding episodes. Seeing the guy go to town on the gel dummy with the pointed rods was nuts. Even the Maori guy was impressed.
    I'll admit that I was a bit taken aback by Kung Fu Hero suddenly going axe crazy with the stabby things. Everything else was pretty tame. There wasn't as much shit talking as in earlier episodes.

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    ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning LoserdomRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I don't watch the show because it's shitballs stupid. But I'm glad for its existence because it gets David Wenham work.

    Also, stormtrooper vs. red shirt? Please. As one person said, you never see a red shirt, except possibly Scotty, ever actually using their phasers. And stormtroopers...bah.

    Now, clonetrooper vs. gold shirt (TNG on) would be a fight.

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    DraevenDraeven Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Ok, so shaka zulu vs william wallace, they were all ablooo ablooo about teh claymore taking off heads and it was more designed to crush and bend plate armor to disable the more heavily armored english right >?

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    ZampanoZampano Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Oh man I think this episode is going to reach new heights of 'Sperging idiocy.

    I can't see Wallace losing this. Shaka Zulu has no armor, while Wallace is wrapped in chain mail. Armor seems to be a major factor in this show.

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    ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    Zampano wrote: »
    Oh man I think this episode is going to reach new heights of 'Sperging idiocy.

    I can't see Wallace losing this. Shaka Zulu has no armor, while Wallace is wrapped in chain mail. Armor seems to be a major factor in this show.

    Nothing can take a direct hit. The big question is whether your defenses can ward off a glancing blow.

    One big question is how well the models can account for style, as the claymore is a one swing weapon. While Wallace could probably bring the claymore fast enough to keep Zulu from trying to rush him, but after that swing he's wide open and can't bring it back. That means that it's a test of how well a zulu can feint versus how well Wallace can figure it out.

    Another issue is heat. Armour is manly limited by heat, which becomes a major issue in the activity of battle. If it's anywhere outside of Scotland, heat buildup and fatigue will set in very quickly.

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    ZampanoZampano Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    THE COMPUTER HAS SPOKEN

    I do think that they're way underestimating the usefulness of the Poison Spit. Given that Shaka Zulu's main attribute is his speed, I'd think it would give him a major advangage. But it still comes down to armor in the end. The Ilkwa can pierce chain mail but only with a full force piercing blow, which isn't what it's designed for. Unless Shaka can get a blow in Wallace's head or neck there's not much he can do.

    Can't wait for next week. Taliban vs IRA. Who the hell are they going to have as the advocates?

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    DragonPupDragonPup Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Considering the Mujahideen roots, I'd call next week for the Taliban.

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    SkutSkutSkutSkut Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Yet another person gets screwed over by a defense weapon.

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    ComahawkComahawk Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Zampano wrote: »
    THE COMPUTER HAS SPOKEN

    I do think that they're way underestimating the usefulness of the Poison Spit. Given that Shaka Zulu's main attribute is his speed, I'd think it would give him a major advangage. But it still comes down to armor in the end. The Ilkwa can pierce chain mail but only with a full force piercing blow, which isn't what it's designed for. Unless Shaka can get a blow in Wallace's head or neck there's not much he can do.

    Can't wait for next week. Taliban vs IRA. Who the hell are they going to have as the advocates?

    I find it mostly funny that they gave William Wallace a claymore when they didn't even exist when he was active.

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    Psychotic OnePsychotic One The Lord of No Pants Parts UnknownRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    IRA vs Taliban....do the IRA get car bombs?

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    GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Yes, but they'll be foiled by the fact that the Taliben get caves, not cars.

    This is such a bizarre show.

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    ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    One big question is how well the models can account for style, as the claymore is a one swing weapon. While Wallace could probably bring the claymore fast enough to keep Zulu from trying to rush him, but after that swing he's wide open and can't bring it back. That means that it's a test of how well a zulu can feint versus how well Wallace can figure it out.

    A claymore is one of the smaller two handed weapons. It's not as fast as a one handed longsword, but the idea that it's a one swing weapon is more a movie idea then a real one. Most two handed Claymores were 4.5' to 5' in length. To put that in comparison, most period long swords were 3.5' to 4.0' in length. So they are longer and will have more momentum on a swing but not so much that it's one swing and you're guard is wide open. Against a foe with a shorter weapon and no armor you don't open with a wide swing, but a number of thrusting attacks.
    Another issue is heat. Armour is manly limited by heat, which becomes a major issue in the activity of battle. If it's anywhere outside of Scotland, heat buildup and fatigue will set in very quickly.

    For a short one on one fight with both combatants close? No, not really. You're going to work up a sweat, but it's not going to be long enough for it to really become a hindrance. And chain doesn't really hold in heat that well, not in the way that plate does. Even tight weaves on chain flex quite a bit.
    Ok, so shaka zulu vs william wallace, they were all ablooo ablooo about teh claymore taking off heads and it was more designed to crush and bend plate armor to disable the more heavily armored english right >?

    It tends to depend on when you're talking about. Early Claymores were used in clan fighting. So lightly armored foes with similar weapons. Those claymores tended to be smaller and lighter then later examples. Later Claymores tended to be longer and pretty good at opening up armor. In the end it doesn't matter. Even if it didn't cleave the head off, it's doing to do enough damage to a neck or head to be a fatal wound.

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    DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »

    Another issue is heat. Armour is manly limited by heat, which becomes a major issue in the activity of battle. If it's anywhere outside of Scotland, heat buildup and fatigue will set in very quickly.

    well seeing as how the crusades were fought with full plate armor in the middle east, you can safely say that there are ways around heat issues.

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    ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »

    Another issue is heat. Armour is manly limited by heat, which becomes a major issue in the activity of battle. If it's anywhere outside of Scotland, heat buildup and fatigue will set in very quickly.

    well seeing as how the crusades were fought with full plate armor in the middle east, you can safely say that there are ways around heat issues.

    Didn't they lose?

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    DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »

    Another issue is heat. Armour is manly limited by heat, which becomes a major issue in the activity of battle. If it's anywhere outside of Scotland, heat buildup and fatigue will set in very quickly.

    well seeing as how the crusades were fought with full plate armor in the middle east, you can safely say that there are ways around heat issues.

    Didn't they lose?

    Both sides wore armor. All 50 and still counting sides.

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