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Drugs and stupid opinions

redfenixredfenix Aka'd as rfixRegistered User regular
edited May 2009 in Social Entropy++
..on drugs


says this guy:
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124225891527617397.html
WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration's new drug czar says he wants to banish the idea that the U.S. is fighting "a war on drugs," a move that would underscore a shift favoring treatment over incarceration in trying to reduce illicit drug use.

In his first interview since being confirmed to head the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, Gil Kerlikowske said Wednesday the bellicose analogy was a barrier to dealing with the nation's drug issues.

"Regardless of how you try to explain to people it's a 'war on drugs' or a 'war on a product,' people see a war as a war on them," he said. "We're not at war with people in this country."

the rest of the article
Mr. Kerlikowske's comments are a signal that the Obama administration is set to follow a more moderate -- and likely more controversial -- stance on the nation's drug problems. Prior administrations talked about pushing treatment and reducing demand while continuing to focus primarily on a tough criminal-justice approach.

The Obama administration is likely to deal with drugs as a matter of public health rather than criminal justice alone, with treatment's role growing relative to incarceration, Mr. Kerlikowske said.

Already, the administration has called for an end to the disparity in how crimes involving crack cocaine and powder cocaine are dealt with. Critics of the law say it unfairly targeted African-American communities, where crack is more prevalent.

The administration also said federal authorities would no longer raid medical-marijuana dispensaries in the 13 states where voters have made medical marijuana legal. Agents had previously done so under federal law, which doesn't provide for any exceptions to its marijuana prohibition.

During the presidential campaign, President Barack Obama also talked about ending the federal ban on funding for needle-exchange programs, which are used to stem the spread of HIV among intravenous-drug users.

The drug czar doesn't have the power to enforce any of these changes himself, but Mr. Kerlikowske plans to work with Congress and other agencies to alter current policies. He said he hasn't yet focused on U.S. policy toward fighting drug-related crime in other countries.

Mr. Kerlikowske was most recently the police chief in Seattle, a city known for experimenting with drug programs. In 2003, voters there passed an initiative making the enforcement of simple marijuana violations a low priority. The city has long had a needle-exchange program and hosts Hempfest, which draws tens of thousands of hemp and marijuana advocates.

Seattle currently is considering setting up a project that would divert drug defendants to treatment programs.

Mr. Kerlikowske said he opposed the city's 2003 initiative on police priorities. His officers, however, say drug enforcement -- especially for pot crimes -- took a back seat, according to Sgt. Richard O'Neill, president of the Seattle Police Officers Guild. One result was an open-air drug market in the downtown business district, Mr. O'Neill said.

"The average rank-and-file officer is saying, 'He can't control two blocks of Seattle, how is he going to control the nation?' " Mr. O'Neill said.

Sen. Tom Coburn, the lone senator to vote against Mr. Kerlikowske, was concerned about the permissive attitude toward marijuana enforcement, a spokesman for the conservative Oklahoma Republican said.

Others said they are pleased by the way Seattle police balanced the available options. "I think he believes there is a place for using the criminal sanctions to address the drug-abuse problem, but he's more open to giving a hard look to solutions that look at the demand side of the equation," said Alison Holcomb, drug-policy director with the Washington state American Civil Liberties Union.

Mr. Kerlikowske said the issue was one of limited police resources, adding that he doesn't support efforts to legalize drugs. He also said he supports needle-exchange programs, calling them "part of a complete public-health model for dealing with addiction."

Mr. Kerlikowske's career began in St. Petersburg, Fla. He recalled one incident as a Florida undercover officer during the 1970s that spurred his thinking that arrests alone wouldn't fix matters.

"While we were sitting there, the guy we're buying from is smoking pot and his toddler comes over and he blows smoke in the toddler's face," Mr. Kerlikowske said. "You go home at night, and you think of your own kids and your own family and you realize" the depth of the problem.

Since then, he has run four police departments, as well as the Justice Department's Office of Community Policing during the Clinton administration.

Ethan Nadelmann of the Drug Policy Alliance, a group that supports legalization of medical marijuana, said he is "cautiously optimistic" about Mr. Kerlikowske. "The analogy we have is this is like turning around an ocean liner," he said. "What's important is the damn thing is beginning to turn."

James Pasco, executive director of the Fraternal Order of Police, the nation's largest law-enforcement labor organization, said that while he holds Mr. Kerlikowske in high regard, police officers are wary.

"While I don't necessarily disagree with Gil's focus on treatment and demand reduction, I don't want to see it at the expense of law enforcement. People need to understand that when they violate the law there are consequences."

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So, I've never really done drugs, aside from copious amount of caffeine, and occasionally alcohol, but hey
this seems like a better approach

wanna talk about it?

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited May 2009
    I had a dream last night that my ex and I were at a basketball playoffs game and we sat next to the president and got our pictures taken. Obama then proceeded to lecture me on the finer points of grilling and having successful cookouts.


    When I woke up I was so pissed that it wasn't real.

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  • Macro9Macro9 Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Damn liberals

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] regular
    edited May 2009
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  • lostwordslostwords Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    but wait, what other excuse are we going to use to keep huge numbers of dangerous minorities behind bars?

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  • Run Run RunRun Run Run __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    its a public health issue, rather than a purely crime issue

    I tend to disagree.

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  • redfenixredfenix Aka'd as rfix Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    also, it's cute that dude has a 'white house drug policy' lanyard

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  • redfenixredfenix Aka'd as rfix Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    lostwords wrote: »
    but wait, what other excuse are we going to use to keep huge numbers of dangerous minorities behind bars?

    the safety of our nation's bikes

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  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    robothero wrote: »
    I had a dream last night that my ex and I were at a basketball playoffs game and we sat next to the president and got our pictures taken. Obama then proceeded to lecture me on the finer points of grilling and having successful cookouts.


    When I woke up I was so pissed that it wasn't real.
    I swear.

    Its like everyone has to have at least one dream where Barack Obama gives them advice.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    robothero wrote: »
    I had a dream last night that my ex and I were at a basketball playoffs game and we sat next to the president and got our pictures taken. Obama then proceeded to lecture me on the finer points of grilling and having successful cookouts.


    When I woke up I was so pissed that it wasn't real.

    At least now you can grill a kickin' burger.

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  • JoeUserJoeUser Forum Santa Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    What concessions will we receive from Drugs with this armistice?

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  • Run Run RunRun Run Run __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    r3 you are retarded

    How is it not a criminal issue. Drugs are illegal. Most of them for a good reason.

    People who take drugs have nobody to blame but themselves. They are no victims.

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  • Macro9Macro9 Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    r3 you are retarded

    I think it depends on who we are talking about. Users definitely but not producers especially cartels and the like.

    I am still reading the article myself.

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  • Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] ...it was the summer of my lifeRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Well, that's interesting. I wasn't aware the war on drugs was still on.

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Robothero that is an awesome dream

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Oh noes, teh liebrals will be handing out dime bags and dirty needles to kindergarten kids, right after teaching them about how to properly give a dude a rim job and that Allah is the one true god.

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  • redfenixredfenix Aka'd as rfix Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Hunter wrote: »
    Oh noes, teh liebrals will be handing out dime bags and dirty needles to kindergarten kids, right after teaching them about how to properly give a dude a rim job and that Allah is the one true god.

    finally, Obama fixes the education system

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  • MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    r3 you are retarded

    How is it not a criminal issue. Drugs are illegal. Most of them for a good reason.

    People who take drugs have nobody to blame but themselves. They are no victims.

    You're right.

    Drug crimes are victimless.

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  • KajustaKajusta Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Obs thread

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  • Run Run RunRun Run Run __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    of course dealers are a criminal problem, but treating people with a crippling heroin addiction the same as a murderer is stupid

    (drug addictions are terrible and should be treated as a health problem, whether the substance is illegal or not :!:)

    The law is pretty clear. Don't own, consume or sell those substances, or else ...
    Nobody put a gun to the heroin addict's head. It is his own fault.

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  • redfenixredfenix Aka'd as rfix Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    of course dealers are a criminal problem, but treating people with a crippling heroin addiction the same as a murderer is stupid

    (drug addictions are terrible and should be treated as a health problem, whether the substance is illegal or not :!:)

    The law is pretty clear. Don't own, consume or sell those substances, or else ...
    Nobody put a gun to the heroin addict's head. It is his own fault.

    haha

    this makes hyperbole look subdued

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  • CrashmoCrashmo Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I seen me some cocaine once

    I left the buliding

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  • AneurhythmiaAneurhythmia Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Drugs are illegal. Most of them for a good reason.
    Which is...

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  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I just don't get snorting stuff. I like my nose to not bleed

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    To be fair though, life has consequences. I don't agree that some poor schmuck with 1/2 an ounce of pot should be locked up with murderers and rapists for 20 years, but at the same time it's not legal to smoke teh WEEDZ dude. There are consequences for all our actions...or at least there should be. Just make the consequences rational, like fines or you lose your license if you're 420 err'day-ing while say driving a car.

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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    robothero wrote: »
    I had a dream last night that my ex and I were at a basketball playoffs game and we sat next to the president and got our pictures taken. Obama then proceeded to lecture me on the finer points of grilling and having successful cookouts.


    When I woke up I was so pissed that it wasn't real.

    This sounds like the best dream possible

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  • MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    of course dealers are a criminal problem, but treating people with a crippling heroin addiction the same as a murderer is stupid

    (drug addictions are terrible and should be treated as a health problem, whether the substance is illegal or not :!:)

    The law is pretty clear. Don't own, consume or sell those substances, or else ...
    Nobody put a gun to the heroin addict's head. It is his own fault.

    ok, Ire pray arong

    so it's illegal

    ok

    what's an appropriate punishment, and why is that preferable to treating addiction like a public health problem

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  • Run Run RunRun Run Run __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    Drugs are illegal. Most of them for a good reason.
    Which is...

    They fuck up your body and mind. They are cripplingly addicting. They unnecessarily turn you into a burden on society.

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  • FutoreFutore Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Crashmo is actually a grizzly bear.

    He has a problem.

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  • TardTard Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Mysst wrote: »
    I just don't get snorting stuff. I like my nose to not bleed

    I've snorted stuff for over five years now, on and off.

    Only had a nosebleed once in that entire time.

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  • CrashmoCrashmo Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    sniff

    no I

    sniffle

    don't

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  • M.D.M.D. and then what happens? Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    of course dealers are a criminal problem, but treating people with a crippling heroin addiction the same as a murderer is stupid

    (drug addictions are terrible and should be treated as a health problem, whether the substance is illegal or not :!:)

    The law is pretty clear. Don't own, consume or sell those substances, or else ...
    Nobody put a gun to the heroin addict's head. It is his own fault.

    ok, Ire pray arong

    so it's illegal

    ok

    what's an appropriate punishment, and why is that preferable to treating addiction like a public health problem

    Don't addicts also get sent to rehab along with whatever punishment their given, isn't that treating it as a health problem as well?

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  • MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Drugs are illegal. Most of them for a good reason.
    Which is...

    They fuck up your body and mind. They are cripplingly addicting. They unnecessarily turn you into a burden on society.

    so's alcohol and television

    why is it preferable to have society to pay to lock someone up for twenty years rather than help get people treatment?

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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    I don't need drugs

    I'm high on life

    8-)

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  • Run Run RunRun Run Run __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    cigarettes and alcohol are legal, bro.

    I wouldn't mind cigarettes to be banned too.

    Alcohol in moderation is no problem. So is weed.


    I am talking meth etc.

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  • CrashmoCrashmo Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I don't need life

    I'm high on Jesus

    edit: Run I am going to vomit right on top of you

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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    Crashmo wrote: »
    I don't need life

    I'm high on Jesus

    I don't need Jesus

    I'm high on Satan

    Devilishly high

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