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PSP 2000 VS 3000

Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
edited May 2009 in Games and Technology
Well, it's almost time for me to buy a PSP and I'm looking for advice.

It's my understanding that the 2000 is recommended over the 3000; mainly because of homebrew and little black lines. I'm not into homebrew all that much, at least not yet. But I am concerned about the black lines showing up on fast moving objects. Is it really that bad, or is it something I (probably) wouldn't have noticed if I hadn't been told about it?

How is the difference in screens? I read the 3000 is better, until the bars show up. Also the sound is improved on the 3000?

Also, you can hook the PSP up to the TV using special cables? I assume (therefore would love clarification) that the black bar issue doesn't apply when I hook it up to my TV?

Thanks all, and I don't mind any additional cool info regarding my future purchase.

(I already know Monster Hunter is a top 3 buy :P )

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I would hold off to buying a PSP till after E3, see if the PSP Go! they're going to announce tickles your fancy.

    That's what I'm doing. Which is ironically just around the time when the PSP get's some really high quality games I'm dying to play.

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  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited May 2009
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    (I already know Monster Hunter is a top 3 buy :P )
    This is all you need to know! *grin* Just kidding.

    I would highly recommend an older 2000 over a 3000 because of price... it's much easier to get a cheap older 2000 than it is to get a brand new 3000. They are virtually the same. The 3000 does have a brighter screen, and the scanline thing is WAY overblown (you have to be sitting in a pitch-black room with a halogen flashlight shining directly on the screen to notice it).

    Sound is the same on both. TV output is also the same on both.

    EDIT: Past threads on this subject:
    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=83732
    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=78677
    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=74719

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  • ChewyWafflesChewyWaffles Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Not so sure about the TV output thing. Apparently the 3000 can play games on a TV using composite cables. The 2000 can't.

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  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited May 2009
    Not so sure about the TV output thing. Apparently the 3000 can play games on a TV using composite cables. The 2000 can't.
    2000 can. It's the 1000 that can't.

    EDIT: See?
    http://www.buy.com/prod/q/loc/108/207655862.html

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  • elliotw2elliotw2 Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I'd also say a 2000, unless you just have to have one new. However, personally I like the old 1000 models best, the 2000's new texture was too sticky and smooth. You should also know that the homebrew doesn't yet work on 3000 models

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    elliotw2 wrote: »
    I'd also say a 2000, unless you just have to have one new. However, personally I like the old 1000 models best, the 2000's new texture was too sticky and smooth. You should also know that the homebrew doesn't yet work on 3000 models

    You just made me rub my PSP. Though I can say my PSP 2000 is not sticky at all.

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  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited May 2009
    -Loki- wrote: »
    elliotw2 wrote: »
    I'd also say a 2000, unless you just have to have one new. However, personally I like the old 1000 models best, the 2000's new texture was too sticky and smooth. You should also know that the homebrew doesn't yet work on 3000 models

    You just made me rub my PSP. Though I can say my PSP 2000 is not sticky at all.
    Someone should totally quote this out of context. :D

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  • ElderlycrawfishElderlycrawfish Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Also to note, that while the 2000 and 3000 can be set to display games on your TV with the component cable (component, not composite. Make sure you get the right one, and that your TV has component in), it won't use the full screen. It actually just uses a rather small area in the center of the screen.

    Though it's still alot bigger than your PSP screen, so it's still kind of cool. Sort of.

    And I honestly love my 2000 more than my 1000. The buttons have a better feel to them; mostly from the tightening up of the design from the first iteration.

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  • maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    Not so sure about the TV output thing. Apparently the 3000 can play games on a TV using composite cables. The 2000 can't.
    2000 can. It's the 1000 that can't.

    EDIT: See?
    http://www.buy.com/prod/q/loc/108/207655862.html

    No no, the 1000 can't output to a TV at all.

    The 2000 can output video-only via composite & component, and can output actual gameplay via Component in Progressive Scan.

    The 3000 can output everything using either connection.

    So if you've got a 2000 and want to play a game on a TV, your TV has to support progressive scan via Component.

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  • ChewyWafflesChewyWaffles Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    See, dammit, there was something different...just didn't get it quite right.

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  • Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    (I already know Monster Hunter is a top 3 buy :P )
    This is all you need to know! *grin* Just kidding.

    I would highly recommend an older 2000 over a 3000 because of price... it's much easier to get a cheap older 2000 than it is to get a brand new 3000. They are virtually the same. The 3000 does have a brighter screen, and the scanline thing is WAY overblown (you have to be sitting in a pitch-black room with a halogen flashlight shining directly on the screen to notice it).

    Sound is the same on both. TV output is also the same on both.

    EDIT: Past threads on this subject:
    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=83732
    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=78677
    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=74719

    That almost seals it on the 3000 for me. I really like the silver 3000, and if the bars aren't really that bad, then I don't see a reason to not get it. (Money is important, but an extra $20-$60 isn't a deal breaker).

    I love the fact you can play it on the big screen!

    Kyogu: I am thinking about holding off until E3, but if the all digital rumor is true, that is a deal breaker for me. Plus, my wife is looking for an anniversary present for me, and she has been asking me which version I would want if I were to buy one. (She got me the Wii for my B-day, a Black DS for our last anniversary, and the 360 Elite for Christmas. I think she wants to stick with the gaming theme as this is the last of the current gen gaming systems I don't own)

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  • MugenmidgetMugenmidget Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    Not so sure about the TV output thing. Apparently the 3000 can play games on a TV using composite cables. The 2000 can't.
    2000 can. It's the 1000 that can't.

    EDIT: See?
    http://www.buy.com/prod/q/loc/108/207655862.html

    No no, the 1000 can't output to a TV at all.

    The 2000 can output video-only via composite & component, and can output actual gameplay via Component in Progressive Scan.

    The 3000 can output everything using either connection.

    So if you've got a 2000 and want to play a game on a TV, your TV has to support progressive scan via Component.
    If you install custom firmware on your PSP 2000, you can apparently output full screen gameplay with composite video cables:

    http://playstation.joystiq.com/2007/10/15/homebrew-endows-psp-2000-with-full-screen-tv-output/

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  • maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    (I already know Monster Hunter is a top 3 buy :P )
    This is all you need to know! *grin* Just kidding.

    I would highly recommend an older 2000 over a 3000 because of price... it's much easier to get a cheap older 2000 than it is to get a brand new 3000. They are virtually the same. The 3000 does have a brighter screen, and the scanline thing is WAY overblown (you have to be sitting in a pitch-black room with a halogen flashlight shining directly on the screen to notice it).

    Sound is the same on both. TV output is also the same on both.

    EDIT: Past threads on this subject:
    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=83732
    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=78677
    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=74719

    That almost seals it on the 3000 for me. I really like the silver 3000, and if the bars aren't really that bad, then I don't see a reason to not get it. (Money is important, but an extra $20-$60 isn't a deal breaker).

    I love the fact you can play it on the big screen!

    Kyogu: I am thinking about holding off until E3, but if the all digital rumor is true, that is a deal breaker for me. Plus, my wife is looking for an anniversary present for me, and she has been asking me which version I would want if I were to buy one. (She got me the Wii for my B-day, a Black DS for our last anniversary, and the 360 Elite for Christmas. I think she wants to stick with the gaming theme as this is the last of the current gen gaming systems I don't own)

    Are you a Final Fantasy fan by any chance?

    psp_dissidia.jpg

    I'm not, but I won't deny that this is a pretty sweet deal.

    Silver PSP, 2GB Memory Stick, Final Fantasy Advent Children on UMD and Final Fantasy: Dissidia (Game) included for $200.

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    Kyogu: I am thinking about holding off until E3, but if the all digital rumor is true, that is a deal breaker for me. Plus, my wife is looking for an anniversary present for me, and she has been asking me which version I would want if I were to buy one. (She got me the Wii for my B-day, a Black DS for our last anniversary, and the 360 Elite for Christmas. I think she wants to stick with the gaming theme as this is the last of the current gen gaming systems I don't own)

    Just a note - if they do go all digital distribution, it would be for the older models as well. They'd likely have retail boxes with coupons in them (like Patapon 2) to redeem the download, but UMD's would likely disappear. The Go! is rumored to have onboard storage for this reason.

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  • Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    Not so sure about the TV output thing. Apparently the 3000 can play games on a TV using composite cables. The 2000 can't.
    2000 can. It's the 1000 that can't.

    EDIT: See?
    http://www.buy.com/prod/q/loc/108/207655862.html

    No no, the 1000 can't output to a TV at all.

    The 2000 can output video-only via composite & component, and can output actual gameplay via Component in Progressive Scan.

    The 3000 can output everything using either connection.

    So if you've got a 2000 and want to play a game on a TV, your TV has to support progressive scan via Component.

    And that is why I love this site. Thanks Zero. I know playing a portable on a big screen seems redundant, but come on, it's just awesome. Thats why I haven't gotten rid of the Cube; I bought the add-on that lets you play GBA on the TV.

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  • maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    Not so sure about the TV output thing. Apparently the 3000 can play games on a TV using composite cables. The 2000 can't.
    2000 can. It's the 1000 that can't.

    EDIT: See?
    http://www.buy.com/prod/q/loc/108/207655862.html

    No no, the 1000 can't output to a TV at all.

    The 2000 can output video-only via composite & component, and can output actual gameplay via Component in Progressive Scan.

    The 3000 can output everything using either connection.

    So if you've got a 2000 and want to play a game on a TV, your TV has to support progressive scan via Component.
    If you install custom firmware on your PSP 2000, you can output full screen gameplay with composite video cables:

    http://playstation.joystiq.com/2007/10/15/homebrew-endows-psp-2000-with-full-screen-tv-output/

    Installing custom firmware is completely not worth the hassle.

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  • DelzhandDelzhand Registered User, Transition Team regular
    edited May 2009
    I've got a 3000, and I've never noticed any black bars.

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  • Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    (I already know Monster Hunter is a top 3 buy :P )
    This is all you need to know! *grin* Just kidding.

    I would highly recommend an older 2000 over a 3000 because of price... it's much easier to get a cheap older 2000 than it is to get a brand new 3000. They are virtually the same. The 3000 does have a brighter screen, and the scanline thing is WAY overblown (you have to be sitting in a pitch-black room with a halogen flashlight shining directly on the screen to notice it).

    Sound is the same on both. TV output is also the same on both.

    EDIT: Past threads on this subject:
    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=83732
    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=78677
    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=74719

    That almost seals it on the 3000 for me. I really like the silver 3000, and if the bars aren't really that bad, then I don't see a reason to not get it. (Money is important, but an extra $20-$60 isn't a deal breaker).

    I love the fact you can play it on the big screen!

    Kyogu: I am thinking about holding off until E3, but if the all digital rumor is true, that is a deal breaker for me. Plus, my wife is looking for an anniversary present for me, and she has been asking me which version I would want if I were to buy one. (She got me the Wii for my B-day, a Black DS for our last anniversary, and the 360 Elite for Christmas. I think she wants to stick with the gaming theme as this is the last of the current gen gaming systems I don't own)

    Are you a Final Fantasy fan by any chance?

    psp_dissidia.jpg

    I'm not, but I won't deny that this is a pretty sweet deal.

    Silver PSP, 2GB Memory Stick, Final Fantasy Advent Children on UMD and Final Fantasy: Dissidia (Game) included for $200.

    That is an awesome set, but it comes out way after our anniversary. My interest in that bundle is why she started asking me about the PSP.
    -Loki- wrote:
    Just a note - if they do go all digital distribution, it would be for the older models as well. They'd likely have retail boxes with coupons in them (like Patapon 2) to redeem the download, but UMD's would likely disappear. The Go! is rumored to have onboard storage for this reason.

    I know, but I want to be able to pick up a lot of the old games on the cheap. The future is uncertain, but the past is well known. And I really want to play the some of the older games. Thanks for looking out tho.

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  • MugenmidgetMugenmidget Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    For anyone who has a PSP 2000 and is capable of installing homebrew, it looks like FuSa will let you use composite cables and put the game in fullscreen:

    http://foosa.do.am/

    Pretty cool, I only have the Phat model so I can't try it out.

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    I know, but I want to be able to pick up a lot of the old games on the cheap. The future is uncertain, but the past is well known. And I really want to play the some of the older games. Thanks for looking out tho.

    I have heard rumours that Sony will have a way to transfer a UMD game to a digital download, so buying cheap used games and using them for the digital version should work. Honestly, I'd wait until Sonys speech at E3. I've had a PSP for a while now, and I can say for a portable system, UMD's are annoying as shit. Even if I had 2 SD cards with a few games that I wanted to play on each, it's preferable to carrying around the equivalent in UMD's.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    Not so sure about the TV output thing. Apparently the 3000 can play games on a TV using composite cables. The 2000 can't.
    2000 can. It's the 1000 that can't.

    EDIT: See?
    http://www.buy.com/prod/q/loc/108/207655862.html

    No no, the 1000 can't output to a TV at all.

    The 2000 can output video-only via composite & component, and can output actual gameplay via Component in Progressive Scan.

    The 3000 can output everything using either connection.

    So if you've got a 2000 and want to play a game on a TV, your TV has to support progressive scan via Component.
    If you install custom firmware on your PSP 2000, you can output full screen gameplay with composite video cables:

    http://playstation.joystiq.com/2007/10/15/homebrew-endows-psp-2000-with-full-screen-tv-output/

    Installing custom firmware is completely not worth the hassle.

    Not entirely true, you can do a lot of awesome (and legit) stuff with custom firmware.


    But the PSP is perfectly good without it. Mine's still running on official firmware, and I can do lots with it.

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Not entirely true, you can do a lot of awesome (and legit) stuff with custom firmware.

    Ironically, CFW isn't legit.

    But yeah, official firmware is fine. Mines been on it since I got it, and I use it for everything on the go. Music, movies, games.

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  • TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Does the PSP 1000 use the same kind of power supply as the PSP 2000 or PSP 3000? I ask because I'm without my charger, and I'll be without it for a while, so I'm looking to buy a new one. Will a new charger work with all 3 models?

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  • VeganVegan Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I'm not an expert on the subject, but take note that any 2000 model purchased new today probably isn't CFW-able.

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  • maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Does the PSP 1000 use the same kind of power supply as the PSP 2000 or PSP 3000? I ask because I'm without my charger, and I'll be without it for a while, so I'm looking to buy a new one. Will a new charger work with all 3 models?

    When I upgraded to the 2000, it was able to use my 1000 charger.

    As far as the 3000? I have no clue, but I would guess the same charger carries over once again.

    The 2000 & 3000 can also charge via USB.

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    The charger for my PSP-3001 is of model PSP-380, with an output of 5V, 1500 mA. If the PSP-1000/2000 charger outputs similar power I see no reason why it wouldn't be compatible.

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  • greeblegreeble Registered User regular
    edited May 2009

    Installing custom firmware is completely not worth the hassle.

    I completely disagree, at least until more shit shows up for digital download. Custom firmware solves three of psps flaws. Battery life, load times and fragile UMD discs. I wouldn't love my psp nearly as much without it. Buy a 8 or 16 GB card and you can have all your favorite psp games on you at once. (There is even a psp homebrew utility app that lets you rip your UMDs directly to the memory stick, no computer needed)

    I would get a psp-2000 IF you can find one that has serial number AB00 or AB01 the AB02 is uncrackable (at least so far). If you can't get a moddable psp-2000 then go for the 3000, the scan lines thing is waaaay overblown and you get a screen with better colors and much less ghosting. (Also composite game output and built-in mic)

    If your GF is buying the psp for you then just tell her to get the 3000 since chances are she'll screw up the serial number thing.

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