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Super-weary, only seeing it because I can't convince the guys I'm going with to see Star Trek.
I actually compared Terminator Salvation to a pre-2009 star trek film on another board.
Also, I loved the flick, but I compare it to pre-2009 Star Trek films, because the whole reason I loved it so much is because it was dripping with fan service. If you love the franchise, especially T2, you'll find tons of nods. Lots of very small details like they explain how John got the scars he had on his face at the very beginning of Terminator 2, or how Kyle Reese learned to tie the shotgun around his arm like he did in Terminator 1. In all actuality, the core plot isn't all that different from all the previous terminator movies.
Super badass has to stop skynet from killing pivotal character or else the timeline gets fucked up, and a badass hero comes along to save the day.
The actual story felt like a retelling of Terminator 2 with
John playing Sarah role, Kyle playing John role, and Marcus playing the Arnie role
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However, if you take out all the fan service, you're left with what is basically terminator 2 in the future, but without a lot of the oomph. As a major fan of the terminator series, I'd give it an 8/10. If you're not a huge fan, ymmv.
T2 > TS > T1 >>> T3
But seriously. You-know-who was so badass in TS. They damn well better bring out the T1000 in the next movie.
I could see this being a good rental flick. There's not an awesome soundtrack or anything, so you get no benefit out of hearing it in the theaters, and, surprisingly, it's big on huge special effects (although there are a ton of special effects in the movie) so it's not like you're missing a lot by seeing it on a smaller screen.
But it's a pretty fun movie. If you're a big fan of the series, you'll love it because it's dripping with fan service. And not the bad kind like T3.
T2 > TS > T1 >>> T3
Did you just rate this movie higher than T1? Your post makes me feel dirty.
Well, its more like T2 > TS >= T1 >>> T3
I love T1, but, and this might just be the post-movie adrenaline pumping through me, I think TS was a better movie.
You'll notice they pay homage to T1 and T2 and pretty much disregard T3 other than his wife/girlfriend.
In the end, at least they got the god damned message of the series right. "There is no fate but what we make for ourselves." I hate that T3 basically said "lol fuck that."
I've read that, initially, though, T4 was supposed to have more references to T3 though. Namely that
John Connor was supposed to die, hence Arnold's "I killed you" line in T3
As I understand it, and it has been explained to me, Christian Bales wooden acting is on purpose. It is related to the original ending.
In the original ending
Marcus Wright takes the skin of John Conner to keep him alive, which also in turn humanizes Conner far more that he had been up to that point. The movie was supposed to show that Conner had the weight of the future and the whole “no fate but what we make” constantly weighing on him to the point that to continue functioning effectively he had to respond like the enemy in so many ways.
Which is why towards the end it was so interesting that he finally realizes that command was also acting the same way and that if they be came cold and calculating as the machines then there is no point in continuing to exist if they loose their humanity in turn.
I could go on but it was a neat way they were taking the story and it sucks that they pretty much chickened out on the whole deal.
I would like to believe that the PR reps for this movie only claimed that they used a CG stunt double for Arnold to avoid any controversy regarding his current political activity. At no point during that scene did I believe that was anything other than the man himself.
And hey, was Bryce Dallas Howard really pregnant in real life? She certainly had the weight going on and was all cute and chubby, but the baby was like never referenced at all during the movie. I'm half expecting her to be back to normal weight in the sequel with no kid around to show for it.
This movie had so much potential and I hope they hand the next one off to a more capable crew. But really, I don't see where else they could really go with this story.
For four movies now it's been "Terminators Bad. Destroy Skynet. No fate but the one we make (unless that fate is already made for you)."
They should have really kept Marcus around. He was the freshest thing to happen to the franchise in some time.
It's best not to think about Terminator's timeline too much. It's really just an excuse to have dudes fighting robots.
I mean, technically, when they blew up Skynet HQ wouldn't that have stopped them from sending a robot back in time to kill Sarah? While they had one fully functioning T-800 in the lab, their tech doesn't seem far along enough yet to actual pull some time travel shit. At that point John Connor should have disappeared from the physical realm, since there was no point in Kyle going back in time to knock up Sarah Connor so that their child wouldn't be killed and oh no I've one crosseyed.
Well SkyNets "Core" was supposed to be at NORAD, and that's where they had the Time Displacement Equipment. And when the AI realized that it's defense grid was getting blown to hell it made a last ditched effort to kill John by sending a T-800 v101 back to kill Sarah and the T-1000 prototype to kill a young John.
John sends back Kyle to save Sarah and insure his own exsistance, and sends the other T-800 v101 back to fight the T-1000.
Apparently Skynet had a backup facility that allowed it to create the T-X and send it back to kill the 20-something Conner. But Conner's wife managed to capture/reprogram and send back the last T-800 v101 to fight the T-X. The entire plot of T3 was kinda, meh. I think that was the Jump the Shark moment.
Well SkyNets "Core" was supposed to be at NORAD, and that's where they had the Time Displacement Equipment. And when the AI realized that it's defense grid was getting blown to hell it made a last ditched effort to kill John by sending a T-800 v101 back to kill Sarah and the T-1000 prototype to kill a young John.
John sends back Kyle to save Sarah and insure his own exsistance, and sends the other T-800 v101 back to fight the T-1000.
Apparently Skynet had a backup facility that allowed it to create the T-X and send it back to kill the 20-something Conner. But Conner's wife managed to capture/reprogram and send back the last T-800 v101 to fight the T-X. The entire plot of T3 was kinda, meh. I think that was the Jump the Shark moment.
I thought the theory was
Skynet is about to go down, T800/Kyle Reese get sent back. The time line changes because of this so that for T2 Skynets tech is more advanced when it's about to go down, hence the T1000. The only way it makes a shred of sense is if you use a parallel universe theory and have everything fixed on skynet eventually failing and sending something back in time as a last ditch effort.
It's best not to think about Terminator's timeline too much. It's really just an excuse to have dudes fighting robots.
I mean, technically, when they blew up Skynet HQ wouldn't that have stopped them from sending a robot back in time to kill Sarah? While they had one fully functioning T-800 in the lab, their tech doesn't seem far along enough yet to actual pull some time travel shit. At that point John Connor should have disappeared from the physical realm, since there was no point in Kyle going back in time to knock up Sarah Connor so that their child wouldn't be killed and oh no I've one crosseyed.
The way I look at it is that everyone who gets sent back in time is existing outside of the space-time continuum. Therefore any changes the person makes won't affect them.
I think Back to the Future got the time travel thing down perfectly.
Bale signed on for three movies, but is apparently trying to get out of the contract.
Either way, there will two more if this does well enough.
Bale is likely not taking the poor reviews really well. This movie looked really good and to hear that it's got even less personality than Transformers is very disappointing.
I saw this at the drive in last night at a double showing featuring Star Trek, and I enjoyed seeing Star Trek for the third time way more than Terminator.
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You'll notice they pay homage to T1 and T2 and pretty much disregard T3 other than his wife/girlfriend.
Our theatre had the noise level cranked to 11.6 , those machines were damn loud.
All in all, it was good enough to not feel like a waste of money or time - it had some
I actually compared Terminator Salvation to a pre-2009 star trek film on another board.
Well, its more like T2 > TS >= T1 >>> T3
I love T1, but, and this might just be the post-movie adrenaline pumping through me, I think TS was a better movie.
In the end, at least they got the god damned message of the series right. "There is no fate but what we make for ourselves." I hate that T3 basically said "lol fuck that."
I've read that, initially, though, T4 was supposed to have more references to T3 though. Namely that
I like this ending better, though.
yeah i totally agree with this. it wasn't super duper amazing, but if you want a really solid action flick go see it.
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It just disappoints me that it didn't turn out as good as the trailers made it look
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A shit ton.
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In the original ending
Which is why towards the end it was so interesting that he finally realizes that command was also acting the same way and that if they be came cold and calculating as the machines then there is no point in continuing to exist if they loose their humanity in turn.
I could go on but it was a neat way they were taking the story and it sucks that they pretty much chickened out on the whole deal.
It wasn't nearly as good as T2, but that's not a fair comparison, since T2 is basically the perfect action movie.
I'm really looking forward to this.
this is so wrong
It also didn't have Megan Fox.
Although we did get Moon Bloodgood.
...Hrmm. I find myself unable to reach a conclusion on the subject.
He was just all, "Do you know who I am, I'M JOHN CONNOR!!!" half the time.
The Marcus character was a million times more interesting, which is sad because they really fumbled on the potential of his story as well.
It has a fighting scene against one particular robot that was worth the price of admission for me.
:whistle: I know what you're talking about! :whistle:
I'm all over this movie because of this.
And hey, was Bryce Dallas Howard really pregnant in real life? She certainly had the weight going on and was all cute and chubby, but the baby was like never referenced at all during the movie. I'm half expecting her to be back to normal weight in the sequel with no kid around to show for it.
is that just a rumor at this point or what? I am all about more terminator movies
Either way, there will two more if this does well enough.
For four movies now it's been "Terminators Bad. Destroy Skynet. No fate but the one we make (unless that fate is already made for you)."
They should have really kept Marcus around. He was the freshest thing to happen to the franchise in some time.
Reese said these were "new" in the first movie, and by that time the TechCom already had Plasma Weaponry.
Also, how the fuck did Skynet already know about the other attempts on Conner's life and the other times that it's future self would try?
And in the same vein -- how the hell did they even know who Kyle was?
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John sends back Kyle to save Sarah and insure his own exsistance, and sends the other T-800 v101 back to fight the T-1000.
Apparently Skynet had a backup facility that allowed it to create the T-X and send it back to kill the 20-something Conner. But Conner's wife managed to capture/reprogram and send back the last T-800 v101 to fight the T-X. The entire plot of T3 was kinda, meh. I think that was the Jump the Shark moment.
Critical Failures - Havenhold Campaign • August St. Cloud (Human Ranger)
I thought the theory was
Just like Transformers!
No hip-hop robots get torn asunder in this one.
The way I look at it is that everyone who gets sent back in time is existing outside of the space-time continuum. Therefore any changes the person makes won't affect them.
I think Back to the Future got the time travel thing down perfectly.
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Bale is likely not taking the poor reviews really well. This movie looked really good and to hear that it's got even less personality than Transformers is very disappointing.
this had less in it
and yet the directors of both films do