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Help me beat asthma
Moe FwackyRight Here, Right NowDrives a BuickModeratorMod Emeritus
I was diagnosed with bronchial asthma back in 1992. I've made use of an albuterol inhaler since then and I've also taken Advair 250/50 twice daily since 2003. After six years of daily medication to keep breathing, and several emergency room visits when that medication has run out on me, I'm absolutely sick of it. Everybody I've known who had asthma as a child has since overcome it, so why not me? I am most interested in relieving myself of the need for Advair as I despise daily medications and the cost is prohibitive with no generic alternative in sight. I've heard that exercise can help, but I'm unsure of the details.
I am aware I should consult a doctor before undergoing an exercise regimen, but I thought I'd ask here first to see if anybody has some advice or firsthand experience beating asthma. So, advise away, H/A.
I was diagnosed with bronchial asthma back in 1992. I've made use of an albuterol inhaler since then and I've also taken Advair 250/50 twice daily since 2003. After six years of daily medication to keep breathing, and several emergency room visits when that medication has run out on me, I'm absolutely sick of it. Everybody I've known who had asthma as a child has since overcome it, so why not me? I am most interested in relieving myself of the need for Advair as I despise daily medications and the cost is prohibitive with no generic alternative in sight. I've heard that exercise can help, but I'm unsure of the details.
I am aware I should consult a doctor before undergoing an exercise regimen, but I thought I'd ask here first to see if anybody has some advice or firsthand experience beating asthma. So, advise away, H/A.
i have some pretty bad sports related asthma and exercise does help, but I'm not gonna lie, that first couple of weeks will kick the shit out of you. triply so if you drink as much soda as i do and i have actually passed out on occasion. once you get into a set routine though it should ease off quite a bit
Moe FwackyRight Here, Right NowDrives a BuickModeratorMod Emeritus
edited May 2009
Hmm, well there's a pool available at my building, but it's outdoor and tends to be teeming with children all summer long. I was thinking of making use of my bike, I have a comfortable one and a river valley park complete with bicycle path that starts right behind my building and extends for over ten miles. I'm just not sure how much, how often and how far to go with it all. Also, I don't know if I should include other types of exercise as well or if just biking it would be enough.
My asthma was activated because of dust and little particles in the air. Every time I would run I had to take a shot or two of the inhaler so my doctor suggested swimming. I'm not a health nut but from what I understand the humidity really does help with the Asthma and swimming is considered to be the best cardio for the body.
I usually go 3 times a week now, but when I started I'd do it every other day. Best of luck to you dude, I feel your pain with not being able to breath when getting fit.
Advair kind of did the trick for me. Sorry to hear it hasn't worked for you. How long have you been using it? I went from using it as directed to needing it maybe once every day or so to needing it once a month or less.
Get dust microbe resistant bedsheets/carpets/curtains/everything.
Air Purifier (kills bacteria and dust mites)
If you're going to start doing cardio, i'd suggest looking at the Fitness thread in this forum.
One other thing, early studies show that vitamin C seems to prolong asthma medicines effect, and omega-3 helps regulate the mucus production in the lungs of children, (which is a byproduct of asthma)
Taking suppliments of both wont do you any hurt, and omega three is amazing for many other health related issues anyways.
Playing horn for marching band in high school, helped me a lot with my asthma, but depending on your age it might not be a fesible option :P
Also cardio I've found helps. Know your triggers and do exercise in a enviroment where they aren't prevelent. I try to run everyday, but if it's dusty and/or cold it's pretty much impossible for me to get around the block without a flare up.
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Moe FwackyRight Here, Right NowDrives a BuickModeratorMod Emeritus
Advair kind of did the trick for me. Sorry to hear it hasn't worked for you. How long have you been using it? I went from using it as directed to needing it maybe once every day or so to needing it once a month or less.
I've been on Advair 250/50 for six years, twice daily. I didn't even know it could be used like that. It was my understanding that it was only effective as long as it was being used. Typically when I've run out of Advair, I stop breathing within a couple of days. I ran out this weekend, and have had a couple rough nights (asthma hits me particularly hard while laying down/sleeping). However, I'm still breathing pretty well considering, so this could be a good sign that I'm ready to move away from Advair. My primary catalyst (other than laying down) has been allergies, but my allergies aren't quite as bad as they were 14 years ago.
Advair kind of did the trick for me. Sorry to hear it hasn't worked for you. How long have you been using it? I went from using it as directed to needing it maybe once every day or so to needing it once a month or less.
I've been on Advair 250/50 for six years, twice daily. I didn't even know it could be used like that. It was my understanding that it was only effective as long as it was being used. Typically when I've run out of Advair, I stop breathing within a couple of days. I ran out this weekend, and have had a couple rough nights (asthma hits me particularly hard while laying down/sleeping). However, I'm still breathing pretty well considering, so this could be a good sign that I'm ready to move away from Advair. My primary catalyst (other than laying down) has been allergies, but my allergies aren't quite as bad as they were 14 years ago.
Advair has a short term and a long term medicine in it. You should not use your Advair disc like a rescue inhaler.
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Moe FwackyRight Here, Right NowDrives a BuickModeratorMod Emeritus
edited May 2009
I haven't been. I use it twice daily without exception unless I have run out or an running short and need to stretch it a few extra days (in which I lower it down to once daily). But if there's a way to permanently wean myself off of it without descending into a complete inability to breathe.
Advair kind of did the trick for me. Sorry to hear it hasn't worked for you. How long have you been using it? I went from using it as directed to needing it maybe once every day or so to needing it once a month or less.
I've been on Advair 250/50 for six years, twice daily. I didn't even know it could be used like that. It was my understanding that it was only effective as long as it was being used. Typically when I've run out of Advair, I stop breathing within a couple of days. I ran out this weekend, and have had a couple rough nights (asthma hits me particularly hard while laying down/sleeping). However, I'm still breathing pretty well considering, so this could be a good sign that I'm ready to move away from Advair. My primary catalyst (other than laying down) has been allergies, but my allergies aren't quite as bad as they were 14 years ago.
I'm not really sure how it works but it's sort of become my rescue inhaler other than albuterol. Maybe my brain is playing tricks but it seems to work just fine.
Oh and going to a sauana would help with all of the steam and what not. I remember in dire instances I would run hot water in a sink (say i'm at a friends who has like a kitty and i don't have my inhaler) and breathe in the steam for a while as a way to clear things up a bit.
Oh and look into Yoga dude. It will help you strengthen a lot of your muscles and it's not cardio intensive. Plus it has a lot of a breathing exercises that can help in a pinch. Better muscles = better respiration.
19-year-old here who has also watched many other people 'grow out of' asthma - not me! Like some people have pointed out simple things like exercising a few days a week can help enormously, as well as vacuuming your room regularly/dusting, etc.
The only thing that has managed to completely remove all my asthmatic symptoms was to force my doctor into giving me different medications (I'm not sure where you are but you mention cost as a factor of this so I assume US). I was on a red inhaler every day, and my brother was switched to a purple one called Seretide and stressed to me to switch too, so I bothered my doctor about it and he put me on a trial. Seriously, after less than a week I had no tight chests at all. I'm not keen on medication but this stuff is magical - I think it's approx. £35 but ymmv of course.
I'm asthmatic myself thanks to allergies and during exercise, and I've been taking Singulair for about a year now - I went from having to use an inhaler every few days to not touching it for weeks or months. Yes, it's a daily medication, but it's a tiny little pill.
Other than that, as others said, exercise really is the best advice - while I would be pretty hesitant to say that you're going to be able to "beat" asthma and stop your daily medicine just by exercising more (especially if it's bad enough that you have emergency room visits), it can only do good things for you.
Advair kind of did the trick for me. Sorry to hear it hasn't worked for you. How long have you been using it? I went from using it as directed to needing it maybe once every day or so to needing it once a month or less.
I've been on Advair 250/50 for six years, twice daily. I didn't even know it could be used like that. It was my understanding that it was only effective as long as it was being used. Typically when I've run out of Advair, I stop breathing within a couple of days. I ran out this weekend, and have had a couple rough nights (asthma hits me particularly hard while laying down/sleeping). However, I'm still breathing pretty well considering, so this could be a good sign that I'm ready to move away from Advair. My primary catalyst (other than laying down) has been allergies, but my allergies aren't quite as bad as they were 14 years ago.
I'm not really sure how it works but it's sort of become my rescue inhaler other than albuterol. Maybe my brain is playing tricks but it seems to work just fine.
Oh and going to a sauana would help with all of the steam and what not. I remember in dire instances I would run hot water in a sink (say i'm at a friends who has like a kitty and i don't have my inhaler) and breathe in the steam for a while as a way to clear things up a bit.
Oh and look into Yoga dude. It will help you strengthen a lot of your muscles and it's not cardio intensive. Plus it has a lot of a breathing exercises that can help in a pinch. Better muscles = better respiration.
Advair does contain a fast acting medicine, but it also has a long term bronchodilator you don't need.
I'm sorry to say I'm mostly in the same boat. I was diagnosed when I was 8ish and I'm 25 now and I still us my Albuterol every day (the new ones suck pretty bad) on top of the Advair in the morning and at night.
As I've gotten older the severity has gone down, I've only been to the ER twice in the last ten years for an attack, but I've never gone a day without my albuterol.
I think some people tend to grow out of it, and others like us maybe not so much.
If you're biking or running, do not venture outside if the air is crisp/cool. You'll kill yourself. I have a friend who's in great shape and one day showed up gasping and heaving (without his inhaler I might add) because he looked outside, saw a really sunny day and thought it'd be nice and warm out. I was actually pretty worried for him and offered to go home and grab my brother's inhaler for him but he waved me off. Just spent 20 min wheezing until the tightness disappeared. Idiot.
Other than that, I have no real specific advice. I think there's something to be said for being able to avoid attacks and that doing so makes it less likely to have future attacks. But I'm not sure if I've got the cause and effect mixed up in that case. Either way, avoid exertion in cold air, it'll fuck your shit up.
I've overcome my asthma, and my technique involved no healthy exercise!
Singing. I've always been singing, and about the time I started taking it seriously and learning the proper way to push air, my symptoms started vanishing.
I've overcome my asthma, and my technique involved no healthy exercise!
Singing. I've always been singing, and about the time I started taking it seriously and learning the proper way to push air, my symptoms started vanishing.
Huh. My brother hit the choir in gr 7 and sustained it until he graduated. I can't be certain but that might've been about the time my mom finally stopped worry he might die if he did so much as run across the street.
My entire family has asthma and we've had different experiences when it comes to "out growing" it. I'm the one who in my late 20s still suffers from it a great deal. If you haven't out grown it yet, you're probably not going to. Note: I've been on a swim team, played an instrument in a marching band, had an air filter and humidifier and tried other sports as well - none of these rid me of my asthma, although they did limit its severity to some extent. So what I'm saying is while you can't "beat" asthma, you can make changes in your lifestyle that can potentially lessen its severity depending on what your triggers are. The three triggers I've seen are activity-based, allergens, and emotion/stress.
For activity-based, you need to be aware of your breathing. That's why swimming helps so much, it makes you breathe during specific intervals. As an asthmatic, I've often found that I stop breathing and don't notice it right away, so I always try to moderate my breathing when exercising. If it happens during sleep, you need to make sure that there is appropriate ventilation (maybe more than your average person needs) and that you are propped appropriately. Sleeping on your side can be helpful too.
For the allergen-based, other than the obvious pollen, dust, cigarette smoke type of allergens, you need to look your environment in general - I lived in LA for six years and while my allergies were not as impacted, it wasn't the best for building strong lungs. I also lived in Boston during the Big Dig, and it also impacted my ability to breathe. Also, look at perfumes and air freshners used around you. You want to be able to eliminate the things that really hit you hard and medicate your immune response appropriately for the things you can't.
I've only heard of a few other asthmatics suffering from the emotional triggers, but I know that it's there. Essentially, I used to have attacks when I was upset or excited. These may be the hardest or the easiest depending on your personality to get over. I just had to learn to be in control of my body more when I experience strong emotions.
As for medication - I've actually been told by my doctor that there are generic forms of the combination medicine that make up Advair. Of course, you'd have to buy the two of them separately, but if you're paying out of pocket, it might be cheaper and give you the same result. Also, if you're going to the ER that frequently, you might think about investing in one of the Pulmo Aides/breathing machines. I had one growing up and it made life a lot easier. Unfortunately, you are going to be stuck with taking daily medication if you want to breathe in the near future. They are still doing a lot of research on asmtha, but no one has come up with anything long term that will treat or cure us long term. I have heard anecdotal evidence about the allergy injections (I forget if it's IgG or IgE) helping asthmatics to some extent, so you might talk to your doctor about that.
Moe I feel your pain. I've been on Advair for about two years now. Twice daily. At one point my insurance acted like a bitch and made me pay $120 for one disc. It's back down to $60, which is still expensive as hell, but affordable.
About six months ago the Advair stopped helping. I needed my albuteral about 40-60 times a week. So they put me on Zyflo as well as the Advair, which means I'm paying $60 for each med now. Zyflo is a pill, still have to take it daily, but it's much easier than Advair.
I really do hate Advair and I don't think it helps all that much. I'm now coughing every 10-15 minutes. Allergies are KILLING ME.
Have you tried Allergy shots? They seem to help me out. Combination of those and taking your Advair once a day (talk to your doctor, etc) should reduce it for you. Hopefully.
I'll have to try this swimming thing. I'm absolutely serious that I'm nearly at my breaking point in dealing with my asthma.
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Moe FwackyRight Here, Right NowDrives a BuickModeratorMod Emeritus
edited May 2009
Well, I have a doctor's appointment tomorrow morning, so I'm going to ask him what he thinks, but I've been completely off advair for almost a week now, and aside from laying down at night, i'm doing pretty good, Granted, this extra humid weather doesn't hurt.
What state do you live in, Moe? If you don't mind me asking. I used to live in NC and NEVER had a problem breathing. Maybe it's because I was in the mountains?
But as soon as I moved to Ohio all hell broke loose.
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Moe FwackyRight Here, Right NowDrives a BuickModeratorMod Emeritus
edited May 2009
Yeah, I'm up in Ohio (Cleveland area to be exact). I can't wait until I graduate and can get the hell out.
It's because it's got humidity. I couldn't live there personally (visited a friend for a week or so and wanted to die because it's so hot and the drivers are terrible). Let us know how the visit goes.
I'm pretty sure to "cure" asthma, or at least to relieve the symptoms, the best two "constructive" things you can do are play a brass instrument and swim. General cardio will build up cardiovascular fitness, but having more veins around your heart and better blood pressure won't necessarily help you breath better. Strengthening your lungs is what will help you the most. That's why doctors have parents of young asthmatics "excersize" their lungs by inflating balloons over and over again. That's probably why the person who posted about singing had success with that, it's another excellent lung excersize.
I find if my allergies are being treated that asthma becomes a much smaller problem day-to-day and during my rare bouts of physical activity. I take zyrtec (cetirizine) daily for the allergies, for me it works better to control the asthma than either singulair or advair.
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Moe FwackyRight Here, Right NowDrives a BuickModeratorMod Emeritus
edited May 2009
My doctor said pretty much the same thing, as I've been taking zyrtec for my allergies. He also said that "according to respiratory specialists" there is no way to eliminate asthma and still wrote me a prescription for Advair and gave me a sample disk, but understands that I'd rather not have to take it. Apparently, they say if you use a rescue inhaler more than twice a week you should be on preventative medication. So, I'm going to try this my way for a while and if things turn for the worse I might have to go back to Advair, but here's hoping that's not the case. He also said that adrenaline can help breathing become easier (which is more or less what albuterol does), so I'm going to start exercising regularly and see where it goes.
I've had asthma since I was 10 or so (I'm in my early 30's) and I don't think there is a way to "eliminate" it. You can lessen the severity by doing things to eliminate the triggers that cause your asthma, but I would be surprised to hear that you can eliminate the actual condition. Exercise was a big trigger for me, but exercising (and doing cardio) on a regular basis has made it less of an issue.
It sucks to have to shell out for Advair, but it's the only thing that's been able to help get my asthma under control. The expense sucks, but not being continuously out of breath is nice
I'm asthmatic myself thanks to allergies and during exercise, and I've been taking Singulair for about a year now - I went from having to use an inhaler every few days to not touching it for weeks or months. Yes, it's a daily medication, but it's a tiny little pill.
Other than that, as others said, exercise really is the best advice - while I would be pretty hesitant to say that you're going to be able to "beat" asthma and stop your daily medicine just by exercising more (especially if it's bad enough that you have emergency room visits), it can only do good things for you.
I've used Advair, but it pretty consistently gives me oral thrush. Because my asthema is allergy related, Singulair pretty much nipped it in the bud. At this point I only have an occasional need for a hit off the albuteral inhaler.
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I usually go 3 times a week now, but when I started I'd do it every other day. Best of luck to you dude, I feel your pain with not being able to breath when getting fit.
Get dust microbe resistant bedsheets/carpets/curtains/everything.
Air Purifier (kills bacteria and dust mites)
If you're going to start doing cardio, i'd suggest looking at the Fitness thread in this forum.
One other thing, early studies show that vitamin C seems to prolong asthma medicines effect, and omega-3 helps regulate the mucus production in the lungs of children, (which is a byproduct of asthma)
Taking suppliments of both wont do you any hurt, and omega three is amazing for many other health related issues anyways.
Also cardio I've found helps. Know your triggers and do exercise in a enviroment where they aren't prevelent. I try to run everyday, but if it's dusty and/or cold it's pretty much impossible for me to get around the block without a flare up.
Advair has a short term and a long term medicine in it. You should not use your Advair disc like a rescue inhaler.
I'm not really sure how it works but it's sort of become my rescue inhaler other than albuterol. Maybe my brain is playing tricks but it seems to work just fine.
Oh and going to a sauana would help with all of the steam and what not. I remember in dire instances I would run hot water in a sink (say i'm at a friends who has like a kitty and i don't have my inhaler) and breathe in the steam for a while as a way to clear things up a bit.
Oh and look into Yoga dude. It will help you strengthen a lot of your muscles and it's not cardio intensive. Plus it has a lot of a breathing exercises that can help in a pinch. Better muscles = better respiration.
The only thing that has managed to completely remove all my asthmatic symptoms was to force my doctor into giving me different medications (I'm not sure where you are but you mention cost as a factor of this so I assume US). I was on a red inhaler every day, and my brother was switched to a purple one called Seretide and stressed to me to switch too, so I bothered my doctor about it and he put me on a trial. Seriously, after less than a week I had no tight chests at all. I'm not keen on medication but this stuff is magical - I think it's approx. £35 but ymmv of course.
Eating apple cores alleviates asthma symptoms, according to a few studies and my own anecdotal experience.
Always have your albuterol and cell phone in hand if you go out running.
he was always pretty active and basically beat it by being fit and working through his attacks.
If this were me, I would try to use the inhaler less if possible (like if you have smaller attacks). but IANAD and whatnot.
Other than that, as others said, exercise really is the best advice - while I would be pretty hesitant to say that you're going to be able to "beat" asthma and stop your daily medicine just by exercising more (especially if it's bad enough that you have emergency room visits), it can only do good things for you.
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Advair does contain a fast acting medicine, but it also has a long term bronchodilator you don't need.
As I've gotten older the severity has gone down, I've only been to the ER twice in the last ten years for an attack, but I've never gone a day without my albuterol.
I think some people tend to grow out of it, and others like us maybe not so much.
Other than that, I have no real specific advice. I think there's something to be said for being able to avoid attacks and that doing so makes it less likely to have future attacks. But I'm not sure if I've got the cause and effect mixed up in that case. Either way, avoid exertion in cold air, it'll fuck your shit up.
Singing. I've always been singing, and about the time I started taking it seriously and learning the proper way to push air, my symptoms started vanishing.
Huh. My brother hit the choir in gr 7 and sustained it until he graduated. I can't be certain but that might've been about the time my mom finally stopped worry he might die if he did so much as run across the street.
For activity-based, you need to be aware of your breathing. That's why swimming helps so much, it makes you breathe during specific intervals. As an asthmatic, I've often found that I stop breathing and don't notice it right away, so I always try to moderate my breathing when exercising. If it happens during sleep, you need to make sure that there is appropriate ventilation (maybe more than your average person needs) and that you are propped appropriately. Sleeping on your side can be helpful too.
For the allergen-based, other than the obvious pollen, dust, cigarette smoke type of allergens, you need to look your environment in general - I lived in LA for six years and while my allergies were not as impacted, it wasn't the best for building strong lungs. I also lived in Boston during the Big Dig, and it also impacted my ability to breathe. Also, look at perfumes and air freshners used around you. You want to be able to eliminate the things that really hit you hard and medicate your immune response appropriately for the things you can't.
I've only heard of a few other asthmatics suffering from the emotional triggers, but I know that it's there. Essentially, I used to have attacks when I was upset or excited. These may be the hardest or the easiest depending on your personality to get over. I just had to learn to be in control of my body more when I experience strong emotions.
As for medication - I've actually been told by my doctor that there are generic forms of the combination medicine that make up Advair. Of course, you'd have to buy the two of them separately, but if you're paying out of pocket, it might be cheaper and give you the same result. Also, if you're going to the ER that frequently, you might think about investing in one of the Pulmo Aides/breathing machines. I had one growing up and it made life a lot easier. Unfortunately, you are going to be stuck with taking daily medication if you want to breathe in the near future. They are still doing a lot of research on asmtha, but no one has come up with anything long term that will treat or cure us long term. I have heard anecdotal evidence about the allergy injections (I forget if it's IgG or IgE) helping asthmatics to some extent, so you might talk to your doctor about that.
About six months ago the Advair stopped helping. I needed my albuteral about 40-60 times a week. So they put me on Zyflo as well as the Advair, which means I'm paying $60 for each med now. Zyflo is a pill, still have to take it daily, but it's much easier than Advair.
I really do hate Advair and I don't think it helps all that much. I'm now coughing every 10-15 minutes. Allergies are KILLING ME.
Have you tried Allergy shots? They seem to help me out. Combination of those and taking your Advair once a day (talk to your doctor, etc) should reduce it for you. Hopefully.
I'll have to try this swimming thing. I'm absolutely serious that I'm nearly at my breaking point in dealing with my asthma.
But as soon as I moved to Ohio all hell broke loose.
http://aafa.org/pdfs/FinalPublicList_AC_2006.pdf
List of the top 100 worst cities to live in for people with asthma.
Cleveland is #6, and Dayton (where I am) is 34th. That's really bad. I hope it works out for you Moe. This disease is terrible.
Doctor's appt is in about an hour, going to get ready know. I'll post what the doctor comes up with when I get back.
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It sucks to have to shell out for Advair, but it's the only thing that's been able to help get my asthma under control. The expense sucks, but not being continuously out of breath is nice
I've used Advair, but it pretty consistently gives me oral thrush. Because my asthema is allergy related, Singulair pretty much nipped it in the bud. At this point I only have an occasional need for a hit off the albuteral inhaler.