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Why do you play single player games?
Faffel
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I've been trying every single-player game that I can get my hand on for something like 14 years now and I've only beaten maybe six. Why do people enjoy these games? What is it that draws you into them? Every time I delve into a single-player game I can't see past the game - it just feels like a big, soulless world full of AI that all acts basically the same. I can't get into the aesthetic values of it like graphics, because I don't find visual art makes any impact at all on me. Every game that I've played TO COMPLETION (this was NOT in my OP initially and I bet explains a lot of confusion here) has had an intangible atmosphere to it that made me feel like what I was doing was rewarding, rather than simply entertainment.
I mean, I have the same issue with movies and books, but it really confounds me with games. For something as incredibly simple as most games, what is it that keeps you coming back without a dynamic human mind controlling your opposition? I can put a dozen hours into TF2 in one sitting easily, but I can't play, say, Dead Space for 15 minutes before my mind wanders and I turn it off. Do you find yourselves genuinely caring about the characters and enemies in the game? Does the fate of the world really matter to you in the least? I would love to be able to lose myself in these worlds, so I'm curious as to how other people see them. Sometimes I think I've just lost my ability to imagine or be mesmerized by this kind of thing over the years.
I always try to make wordy OP's, but I'm also really bad at making my thoughts sound longer than they actually are. Sorry for the sparse page.
I mean, I have the same issue with movies and books, but it really confounds me with games. For something as incredibly simple as most games, what is it that keeps you coming back without a dynamic human mind controlling your opposition? I can put a dozen hours into TF2 in one sitting easily, but I can't play, say, Dead Space for 15 minutes before my mind wanders and I turn it off. Do you find yourselves genuinely caring about the characters and enemies in the game? Does the fate of the world really matter to you in the least? I would love to be able to lose myself in these worlds, so I'm curious as to how other people see them. Sometimes I think I've just lost my ability to imagine or be mesmerized by this kind of thing over the years.
I always try to make wordy OP's, but I'm also really bad at making my thoughts sound longer than they actually are. Sorry for the sparse page.
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None of that is guaranteed with multiplayer.
So is that the only thing that makes you play singleplayer games - not having to deal with drive-by internet insults?
I'd say you probably just have a really short attention span.
Pretty much this. Also, sometimes I like plot, many multiplayer-focused games lack plot.
And besides that, games are games. If they're designed well, they're fun to play. I don't need humans to control my Goombas when I go platforming through a level in Super Mario Galaxy. The joy of the game is the gameplay.. I don't need human opponents to enjoy that.
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Another reason is that I just don't like depending on people when I'm playing games. MMOs especially...to do anything of substance, you need a group, and they tend to be unreliable at best. Or, if you have a group of people you play with, you can't do anything until they're online. When I play a game, I want to play at my own pace, do what I want, experience the game on my own terms, and with multiplayer games, that's really hard to do. It's all I grew up on with my NES, and it's still my preferred game type.
No it's not?
Removing other people also means no one has any expectations for how you play. Your pace is your own.
I like to appreciate the various ways in which the game was directed during production. I like only having to pay for my game once (when contrasted with MMOs).
Caring about characters and worlds is an argument seperate from the single player experience, I think. I often laugh at game stories, but that's a reflection of the writing, not the absence of other human controlled characters.
This is what I'm getting at - what is fun about simply running through a level hopping on Goombas? Do you just enjoy the diversion, or is there something deeper to it? Maybe I'm incredibly hard to entertain, but it always just feels like I'm doing the exact same thing in a slightly varying pattern over 8 hours. Doesn't it get to you? The only SP games I've felt really brought a sense of freshness of variation as the game progressed were God Hand and Ninja Gaiden, and that was because of how the AI reacted - the battles were very frantic and it was all about reacting correctly to the situation and thinking on your feet. Very few games seem to require that, or even go directly against it and encourage dying and retrying to learn the pattern. SP games love patterns.
Perhaps I'm just a lonely man and can't handle the cold logic of AI.
Drive by insults are annoying... haha, but that would never preclude me from playing a good game.
Tell me how something like Super Metroid would have worked if not single player only? The immersiveness, the atmosphere, the rewarding exploration, the rewarding upgrade system, the isolated feeling, the enormous bosses, etc etc?
I don't see how it's hard for you to see how single player games aren't extremely fun and intriguing.
Hell half the time I'm glad for my immersion not to be broken by idiots on the internet.
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Edit: Responding to Faffel's last post.
It's rather hard to get immursed in an epic dragon slaying quest to liberate the four ancient metal forests of Gortundra when your communication to your fellow players goes like this.
"K, we gonna pull the mobz."
"Hold the agro!"
"Heal me!"
"I'm dead lolz"
"I @#!$ your mom."
RP'ers aren't much better. I do not want to hear about your lovey-emo-angstfilled character's bullshit while in the middle of the spinning death fortress of Raydor the Imperious.
I don't know - none of it ever did anything for me. I got about an hour into the game and turned it off, never to be touched again. I didn't get any feeling of magic from it.
Because the human mind is a chaotic thing. Only the stupidest of stupid people do the same thing over and over again in a multiplayer game, and even then their reaction almost always varies. Nothing is ever a sure deal.
Other real people break suspension of disbelief, hard.
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The first, and the main one that keeps me coming back, is simple mindless fun. I love arcade style games, especially ones that reward you constantly with upgrades. I'm a complete whore for the multitude of flash games that work like this. I'll play one, and it's totally similar to the millions of other castle defense, zombie shooter, etc games... but there's either a minor gameplay change, or interesting controls, or something. Sure, I get bored of them after playing for a few hours, but there's hundreds of them out there.
The other, is atmosphere/story/characters. Some multiplayer games can nail the atmosphere really well, but I'm constantly finding single player games with really cool mechanics, art, atmosphere, personalities, that I keep saying "I wish they'd do something like this in an online multiplayer game." Perfect example, Shadow of the Colossus. I'd really love a co-op oriented game that's based around the idea of bringing down these massive monstrosities. Basically, each map would be a team of players against some boss, and there'd have to be some randomized circumstances to mix up the game a bit every time, so players won't master each boss too quickly. Even when I complete one of these types of games, and I never touch it again, it still remains a great memory.
Of course, both of these are done pretty well in multiplayer games at times, but I feel like the single player games just nail it down so much better. The main reason why may be that single player games have been around for much longer than online games, and developers are still figuring out online mechanics and ways to stretch what's possible.
Thats in addition to the simple fact that the added competition destroys the suspension of disbelief. Take an extremely immersive game like Diablo/2. Once your fighting over boss drops and trying to keep up with the group, there's no time to appreciate the atmosphere.
I've encountered some pretty spontaneous moments in single player games, and it should all be fresh on your first playthrough.
I've sunk a lot of time into TF2, and have found it can be repetitive in a patterned way as you've described. The top players refine strategies and locations that are the most consistently successful and repeat them ad nauseum and chastise fledgling players who aren't yet familiar.
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I'd also like to add that I enjoy games of yore that I can revisit. I replay favourites, and am pleased by the fact that I will most probably be able to pop in Grim Fandango in 2025 and enjoy it all over again. There are assorted multiplayer games I likely won't be able to play at that point.
That's pretty much true. :^:
This is why I no longer play Command and Conquer clones except on very rare occasions, generally only with RL friends. Extremely repetitive and cookie cutter.
Shadow of the Colossus is one of the few magical games that hooked me, and is I think the only form of entertainment in about 5 years to actually make me emotional outside of laughter. I think it's because it specifically didn't try to feel like a populated world - there was an incredible feeling of isolation and it was a very bitter-sweet atmosphere in general. It touched a chord that no other game has touched, and that's what makes gaming amazing.
I just can't see the lure of killing a swarm of 15 locusts that all run in the same direction in Gears of War, when you could be battling human beings that flank, feint and generally confuse the hell out of you due to the way the mind works.
As in it's never the fault of the person with "the perfect plan" for failing to abandon it; it's the fault of the other people for not doing it right. I hate people who do that shit. It's why I didn't get into battlegrounds in WoW.
Why is that hard to understand?
I personally find myself straying away from internet multiplayer. Half the time the opponents are too easy, and it becomes more rewarding to play higher-difficulty-set Bots. The other half the time I enter a match and get raped, and that's no fun.
My big problem with team based multiplayer is that it's hardly ever a team. Just a bunch of people randomly put into a server, and most of them are self-interested at best. Team tactics? Gimme a break. That only really works if you can do a clan or play with PA people or something. But that's not always convenient to set up.
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Yeah... kinda hard to be immersed when all that is being said on ventrilo drowning out the music and voice effects of the encounter and a third of your screen is covered in addons.
It also doesn't help that everyone is obliged to read up all the strategies for the boss and watch it die on youtube before you've even seen it for yourself. Immersion is simply impossible in WoW, it pales compared to Oblivion in that regard.
You run around in small areas dealing with retarded people who ruin everything.
It takes a lot more effort for retards to screw up single player.
Plus, there are a lot of games that don't work with multiplayer, are you honestly going to say that this isn't worth while.
Seeking out a clan or community to play with is a positive experience though. Or at least can be. Plenty of games I've played online I wouldn't have done so without other PA folks present.
I just want to see if I can learn to enjoy singleplayer games by learning why other people enjoy them. I sometimes feel I lack the ability to perceive art as anything but colours and shapes, because I almost never get any emotional content out of it.
It seems that people just seem to enjoy it... because they do. It's not something I've ever been capable of. Shitsux.
You just answered your own question. Different games are rewarding in different ways. SOTC would be absolutely wrecked if it were "multiplayer." So would, say, Metroid for simiilar reasons...
Human opponents online are often just as idiotic as some of the AI we see for Bots in shooters. Both in terms of strategy and in skill (accuracy, timing,etc)
I ask you -- why is it only fun to play against humans? Especially with all the scrub players out there, if "flanking and feinting" is what does it for you?
I ask because sometimes I want to experience what it would be like to be a Hero in a world overtaken by swarms of alien monsters, and blast them down as they try to overwhelm me, just to finally put the last one down right as its upon me.
Alternatively, sometimes I just like conquering challenges. Progressively sloped difficulty curves up culminating in some great challenge that is greatly rewarding upon finally winning. This is something you may have experienced with Ninja Gaiden for example. But it applies to many games.
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I'm not gonna say it's wrong that people have logical, well-thought-out reasons for playing singleplayer, but it's not the only valid response.
But really the question is so broad is may as well be "why do you engage in non-competitive entertainment?". So, I present an equally vague answer to your question; "people play single-player games because sometimes they're fun".