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Obama Abroad III: Now With More Landmark Speeches to the Muslim World
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It's really a very different thing to watching it though, he really is an amazing orator.
It's funny, when I read it I can hear his voice, and it's a moving speech even in my head.
Do I love Obama too much (Y/N)?
That's just America telling you she loves you, son.
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Ive been having these awesome occurences where I get around to reading transcripts of Obama's speeches just before 5pm, resulting in Retreat starting while im reading. Unfortunatly this speech was a bit too long for the National Anthem to start trailing off right as Im finishing the conclusion, but its happened before.
You know, when looking at the big picture, I get the sense that Obama is the kind of guy that likes to live dangerously.
The fundies saying Obama is a secret muslim just because he knows a few words out of the Koran is just as ridiculous as people who think he's a secret atheist because he mentioned atheists a few times. Don't you think?
Umm... like, the guys from Hamas are going to blow themselves up in the White House?
Transcript and control F for the win.
Where else would you suggest that he engage in dialogue with these organizations that is less secure than the White House? I honestly can't think of one.
Edit: Also, what enlightenedbum said.
The only reason the guys from Hamas should be invited to the White House is to be shot down like the dogs they are.
Umm. Seriously?
It's that kind of wonderful thinking that led to the formation of groups like Hamas. If you talk like that, then you make all the rumors that they spread about western civilization seem true to the impressionable people that they target for recruitment.
Edited for clarity.
Just remember that blindly ignoring something is just as deadly as blindly accepting.
Let 'em eat fucking pineapples!
Edit: That's actually quotable from this board. Not some made up liberal terrorist loving masses.
They are the duly elected authority in Gaza, yeah.
On the same token, posting pithy one liners intended to rile up the opposing party based on their political leanings is what I think most around here consider trolling. I don't think posting habits like that are conducive to discussion guys.
I'm trying to figure out what this means relative to the exchange you two just had. Are you saying that Obama did invite the Hamas leadership to the White House and that enlightenedbum is ignoring it?
This is so zen. You're just like Buddha.
If Buddha had Down's Syndrome.
Yes, Hamas was democratically elected. Which means we should probably examine why and how a group like that came to power before blindly decreeing that we should hunt them all down like dogs. If anti-Western sentiment is so high in Palestine, we should be asking ourselves why instead of saying we should go in and overthrow their democratically elected government just because they hate us.
Wait a minute, I believe we did that one before, and it caused most of the problems we're currently having to deal with in Afghanistan.
I'm saying that sometimes Obama might be making some bad moves.
Which you'd know I agree with if you read any of the various civil liberties/Gitmo/etc threads we've had. Hooray!
I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you on that point. You just don't hear us complaining about Obama's bad moves because we are trying to give him the benefit of the doubt because we agree with many of the things he's doing.
Just like you try to point out everything bad Obama does because you don't like a lot of the things he's doing. See how that works?
Edit: beated by enlightenedbum again. Dammit!
Has Hamas done this stuff in the past 13.5 hours?
No. There is thus: no invite. Hey look, it's the actual meaning of pre-conditions!
I was unable to find what you're talking about. I apologize for the left-leaning nature of the blog, but the actual quote that you're referring to is from Fox News. Their headline for the two-sentence discussion about Hamas that Obama used in his speech in Cairo was "Obama's Terrorist Invite?"
Here's the link: Response to Fox News Headline about "Obama's Terrorist Invite"
Edit: As you can see, Obama did not invite Hamas to the White House, but I don't see what would be so wrong if he did. It's just Fox News skewing the actual information to sound inflammatory when it's nothing of the sort.
To gain international legitimacy as a governing authority. If their goal is to establish a Palestinean state, it's their best play.
I have no clue, but it definitely doesn't help their perceived reputation in the news world as the 'right wing' network. If Fox were really concerned about neutrality and their image among moderates and liberals, they wouldn't try and pull stuff like this on us. As a liberal myself, all this does is make me more suspicious of anything I see from Fox News.
The good news from all this is Obama actually hasn't invited a bunch of killer terrorists to the White House.
The powerful irrational fear, or dare I say terror exhibited by the right wing in the face of a bunch Palestinians who live in incredible poverty and have almost no power at all is amazing to me. I mean I could understand it when people were afraid of the Soviets and their huge nuke stockpile, but these guys? They have some small arms, shitty short range ballistic missiles, and some suicide bombers.
They are not so terrifying as to preclude us from even speaking with them. And do you honestly think that by not speaking to them that they will just "go away". Placing one's head in the sand is not a very viable strategy. Big bad Hamas won't kill us all if we talk to them. In fact, maybe if we made it so most of them didn't live a fucking life of utter hopelessness they would be less willing to blow themselves up for a free ticket to heaven eh?
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
There is Fox and then there is Fox News.
Right, he invited the duly elected representatives of Gaza who won a free and fair election.
Presuming they renounce violence, recognize Israel's right to exist...
And not to the White House.
I'm pretty sure they could get a seat if they recognize past agreements and recognize Israel's existence. Any less then that and they're untrustworthy. The most we can hope for on top of that is the rejection of non-military violence, which would depend on Israel allowing the PA to have a military, which isn't all that unlikely given the technical superiority of the IDF (their defensive systems are even better than America's, and they have a functional missile defense system).
As it stands, the arrangement with Israel is likely to be that there will be no expansion, but people are allowed to move into the settlements and larger settlements are allowed to build higher-capacity buildings on existing plots (some zoning laws in the US enforce something like this by requiring that there always be a structure on the property, so that the chimney (or other part) of an older house is not torn down until the new house is largely completed) and new buildings within large plots (in New England, it's not uncommon to see evidence of large plots having been chopped up, including small houses (converted carriage houses) at least several blocks away from a gigantic house of the same style, houses facing the wrong way, and a large number of newer-looking (from any time in the last century) houses surrounding one older house in an illogical arrangement)