The new forums will be named Coin Return (based on the most recent vote)! You can check on the status and timeline of the transition to the new forums here.
The Guiding Principles and New Rules document is now in effect.
"Cell Phones Worse Than Cigarettes" Says Brain Surgeon
For almost a year now I've been turning on my speaker phone instead of holding my phone to my ear. I never really talked much on my own cell phones before then, though.
Lots of people use cell phones; in fact, many people only use cell phones and eschew landline phones completely. What if it turns out that all these people who have been saying that cell phones cause brain tumors are right?
There's just as many studies saying that there is no threat. However, I seem to put a bit more stock in the studies saying that there is no connection. The reason?
The National Cancer Institute reports that the rate of brain cancer has slightly decreased from 1990 to 2002. This period corresponds rather nicely to the explosive growth of cell phone usage in the world. If there was a link, shouldn't that number be sky rocketing?
Premier kakos on
0
KalTorakOne way or another, they all end up inthe Undercity.Registered Userregular
There's just as many studies saying that there is no threat. However, I seem to put a bit more stock in the studies saying that there is no connection. The reason?
The National Cancer Institute reports that the rate of brain cancer has slightly decreased from 1990 to 2002. This period corresponds rather nicely to the explosive growth of cell phone usage in the world. If there was a link, shouldn't that number be sky rocketing?
Well, it's possible that the damage only manifests in a noticeable way after a longer period of use than cell phones have been popular. They might only give you cancer after you've used one for 20-30 years or something.
For almost a year now I've been turning on my speaker phone instead of holding my phone to my ear. I never really talked much on my own cell phones before then, though.?
Making sure the phone doesn't actually touch your ear but holding it near it will cut down the radiation dramatically if you're actually paranoid about that.
The OP should clarify that cells are potentially worse than smoking in terms of the number of people they affect, not the damage either can do to a single person.
Anyway, the article has more to say about the surgeon's credibility than the actual facts that are informing his conclusions.
There's just as many studies saying that there is no threat. However, I seem to put a bit more stock in the studies saying that there is no connection. The reason?
The National Cancer Institute reports that the rate of brain cancer has slightly decreased from 1990 to 2002. This period corresponds rather nicely to the explosive growth of cell phone usage in the world. If there was a link, shouldn't that number be sky rocketing?
Only if you assume the carcinogenic properties of the radiation are strong enough to reach detectable levels within the period of time you mentioned. And that people actually bother to check for it. And that the numbers are reported correctly. And that the number of brain tumors NOT caused by phone radiation remains the same.
Personally, I'd put my trust in peer-reviewed studies rather than conjecture. Having said that, I'll wait for something definitive before I change my phone habits.
By the way, how does the study feel about keeping the phone in my pocket next to the skin all the goddamn time?
TeaSpoon on
0
KalTorakOne way or another, they all end up inthe Undercity.Registered Userregular
The dangers of mobile phones seems logical, but has there been any verdict on using hands-free headsets and bluetooths?
supposedly there's a sharp dropoff in the radiation with very little distance.
Well, the headsets generally stick right to the ear, some even come equipped with the little appendages that protrude into the ear canal a bit like ear bud headphones. What I'm wondering is what kind of radiation do those give considering they send some kind of all-directional radio wave like a phone does, or does it not matter since headsets are smaller than a phone?
The dangers of mobile phones seems logical, but has there been any verdict on using hands-free headsets and bluetooths?
supposedly there's a sharp dropoff in the radiation with very little distance.
Well, the headsets generally stick right to the ear, some even come equipped with the little appendages that protrude into the ear canal a bit like ear bud headphones. What I'm wondering is what kind of radiation do those give considering they send some kind of all-directional radio wave like a phone does, or does it not matter since headsets are smaller than a phone?
edit: okay ignore that I'm dumb they obviously have to transmit voice
Still, since they're operating on such low ranges, they don't output as much radiation as the cell phone itself.
edit: okay ignore that I'm dumb they obviously have to transmit voice
When I first read that, I thought you knew something about headsets that I didn't, haha. But I think you're right - they just may not put out as much as phones do. So all in all, it seems feasible to save your brain, prevent more auto accidents while talking and driving, and look like a weirdo talking to yourself with a headset and just save yourself the trouble, eh?
The dangers of mobile phones seems logical, but has there been any verdict on using hands-free headsets and bluetooths?
How does it seem logical? We're talking about non-ionizing radiation here. The only thing cell phone radiation can do, as far as we know, is heat up the top layers of skin a few fractions of a degree, less than, say, standing in the sun.
The dangers of mobile phones seems logical, but has there been any verdict on using hands-free headsets and bluetooths?
How does it seem logical? We're talking about non-ionizing radiation here. The only thing cell phone radiation can do, as far as we know, is heat up the top layers of skin a few fractions of a degree, less than, say, standing in the sun.
Well, I really don't know much about it at all, to be honest. I'm just judging based on reports I've heard in the past giving the same kind of information - that radiation is something you don't want that close to your vital body parts on a regular basis.
For almost a year now I've been turning on my speaker phone instead of holding my phone to my ear. I never really talked much on my own cell phones before then, though.
Translatortron 2000:
I have no freaking clue that I am always being bombarded with cell phone radiation.
It boggles the mind. If cell phone radiation causes cancer then the only solution would be to move out in the wilderness where there is no cell phone coverage.
Well, I really don't know much about it at all, to be honest. I'm just judging based on reports I've heard in the past giving the same kind of information - that radiation is something you don't want that close to your vital body parts on a regular basis.
You do realize that the type of radiation we are talking about is electromagnetic radiation also more commonly known as light.
The dangers of mobile phones seems logical, but has there been any verdict on using hands-free headsets and bluetooths?
How does it seem logical? We're talking about non-ionizing radiation here. The only thing cell phone radiation can do, as far as we know, is heat up the top layers of skin a few fractions of a degree, less than, say, standing in the sun.
Well, I really don't know much about it at all, to be honest. I'm just judging based on reports I've heard in the past giving the same kind of information - that radiation is something you don't want that close to your vital body parts on a regular basis.
The trouble is that 'radiation' is a wide category, including terrible gamma waves, radio waves, microwaves, visible light, and a bunch more.
All of them are very different from each other, so for anyone to talk about 'radiation' in a scientific context, they need to be very specific.
The dangers of mobile phones seems logical, but has there been any verdict on using hands-free headsets and bluetooths?
How does it seem logical? We're talking about non-ionizing radiation here. The only thing cell phone radiation can do, as far as we know, is heat up the top layers of skin a few fractions of a degree, less than, say, standing in the sun.
Well, I really don't know much about it at all, to be honest. I'm just judging based on reports I've heard in the past giving the same kind of information - that radiation is something you don't want that close to your vital body parts on a regular basis.
The trouble is that 'radiation' is a wide category, including terrible gamma waves, radio waves, microwaves, visible light, and a bunch more.
All of them are very different from each other, so for anyone to talk about 'radiation' in a scientific context, they need to be very specific.
So what's the kind that cell phones are zapping my brain with?
The dangers of mobile phones seems logical, but has there been any verdict on using hands-free headsets and bluetooths?
How does it seem logical? We're talking about non-ionizing radiation here. The only thing cell phone radiation can do, as far as we know, is heat up the top layers of skin a few fractions of a degree, less than, say, standing in the sun.
Well, I really don't know much about it at all, to be honest. I'm just judging based on reports I've heard in the past giving the same kind of information - that radiation is something you don't want that close to your vital body parts on a regular basis.
The trouble is that 'radiation' is a wide category, including terrible gamma waves, radio waves, microwaves, visible light, and a bunch more.
All of them are very different from each other, so for anyone to talk about 'radiation' in a scientific context, they need to be very specific.
So what's the kind that cell phones are zapping my brain with?
The dangers of mobile phones seems logical, but has there been any verdict on using hands-free headsets and bluetooths?
How does it seem logical? We're talking about non-ionizing radiation here. The only thing cell phone radiation can do, as far as we know, is heat up the top layers of skin a few fractions of a degree, less than, say, standing in the sun.
Well, I really don't know much about it at all, to be honest. I'm just judging based on reports I've heard in the past giving the same kind of information - that radiation is something you don't want that close to your vital body parts on a regular basis.
The trouble is that 'radiation' is a wide category, including terrible gamma waves, radio waves, microwaves, visible light, and a bunch more.
All of them are very different from each other, so for anyone to talk about 'radiation' in a scientific context, they need to be very specific.
So what's the kind that cell phones are zapping my brain with?
For almost a year now I've been turning on my speaker phone instead of holding my phone to my ear. I never really talked much on my own cell phones before then, though.
Translatortron 2000:
I have no freaking clue that I am always being bombarded with cell phone radiation.
It boggles the mind. If cell phone radiation causes cancer then the only solution would be to move out in the wilderness where there is no cell phone coverage.
It's true that he's likely being overly paranoid, but the radiation from something at 1 cm and 1 km is an entirely different beast.
Well, I really don't know much about it at all, to be honest. I'm just judging based on reports I've heard in the past giving the same kind of information - that radiation is something you don't want that close to your vital body parts on a regular basis.
You do realize that the type of radiation we are talking about is electromagnetic radiation also more commonly known as light.
Visible light is electromagnetic radiation, but hardly the only type.
For almost a year now I've been turning on my speaker phone instead of holding my phone to my ear. I never really talked much on my own cell phones before then, though.
Translatortron 2000:
I have no freaking clue that I am always being bombarded with cell phone radiation.
It boggles the mind. If cell phone radiation causes cancer then the only solution would be to move out in the wilderness where there is no cell phone coverage.
It's true that he's likely being overly paranoid, but the radiation from something at 1 cm and 1 km is an entirely different beast.
I am going to guess it is pretty much the same power level. And why aren't you worried about the cell phone five feet away?:winky: Also, it is a good thing to use a speaker phone in general if you drive a car.
Well, I really don't know much about it at all, to be honest. I'm just judging based on reports I've heard in the past giving the same kind of information - that radiation is something you don't want that close to your vital body parts on a regular basis.
You do realize that the type of radiation we are talking about is electromagnetic radiation also more commonly known as light.
As I said - I don't really know much about radiation at all, but this thread has been very informative!
For almost a year now I've been turning on my speaker phone instead of holding my phone to my ear. I never really talked much on my own cell phones before then, though.
Translatortron 2000:
I have no freaking clue that I am always being bombarded with cell phone radiation.
It boggles the mind. If cell phone radiation causes cancer then the only solution would be to move out in the wilderness where there is no cell phone coverage.
It's true that he's likely being overly paranoid, but the radiation from something at 1 cm and 1 km is an entirely different beast.
It's pretty much the same power level.
Power drops off as the inverse of distance.
e: Wait, that's for DC fields. Radio waves don't drop off too harshly over distance in air, but there will be a difference at 1 km, especially when it's going through buildings and whatnot.
The dangers of mobile phones seems logical, but has there been any verdict on using hands-free headsets and bluetooths?
How does it seem logical? We're talking about non-ionizing radiation here. The only thing cell phone radiation can do, as far as we know, is heat up the top layers of skin a few fractions of a degree, less than, say, standing in the sun.
Well, I really don't know much about it at all, to be honest. I'm just judging based on reports I've heard in the past giving the same kind of information - that radiation is something you don't want that close to your vital body parts on a regular basis.
The trouble is that 'radiation' is a wide category, including terrible gamma waves, radio waves, microwaves, visible light, and a bunch more.
All of them are very different from each other, so for anyone to talk about 'radiation' in a scientific context, they need to be very specific.
So what's the kind that cell phones are zapping my brain with?
Nonionizing/microwaves.
More specifically, in the UHF band. Do you know what used to use the UHF band quite extensively? TV! OH NOES! TV REALLY IS ROTTING OUR BRAINS!
For almost a year now I've been turning on my speaker phone instead of holding my phone to my ear. I never really talked much on my own cell phones before then, though.
Translatortron 2000:
I have no freaking clue that I am always being bombarded with cell phone radiation.
It boggles the mind. If cell phone radiation causes cancer then the only solution would be to move out in the wilderness where there is no cell phone coverage.
It's true that he's likely being overly paranoid, but the radiation from something at 1 cm and 1 km is an entirely different beast.
It's pretty much the same power level.
Power drops off as the inverse of distance. :?
You see the problem is that the inverse square of the distance rational only makes sense if the phone and the tower are at the same power level. There is no way in hell that is true. You could be right. The power from the cellphone may be higher but there is no way to tell without doing some math.
e: Wait, that's for DC fields. Radio waves don't drop off too harshly over distance in air, but there will be a difference at 1 km, especially when it's going through buildings and whatnot.
No. You were right the first time. Its called the inverse square law. Basically the radiation is at some power but as it propagates the power gets spread over more and more area.
Well, I really don't know much about it at all, to be honest. I'm just judging based on reports I've heard in the past giving the same kind of information - that radiation is something you don't want that close to your vital body parts on a regular basis.
You do realize that the type of radiation we are talking about is electromagnetic radiation also more commonly known as light.
As I said - I don't really know much about radiation at all, but this thread has been very informative!
Please be aware. When I meant by light I meant the entire electromagnetic spectrum.
The dangers of mobile phones seems logical, but has there been any verdict on using hands-free headsets and bluetooths?
How does it seem logical? We're talking about non-ionizing radiation here. The only thing cell phone radiation can do, as far as we know, is heat up the top layers of skin a few fractions of a degree, less than, say, standing in the sun.
Well, I really don't know much about it at all, to be honest. I'm just judging based on reports I've heard in the past giving the same kind of information - that radiation is something you don't want that close to your vital body parts on a regular basis.
The trouble is that 'radiation' is a wide category, including terrible gamma waves, radio waves, microwaves, visible light, and a bunch more.
All of them are very different from each other, so for anyone to talk about 'radiation' in a scientific context, they need to be very specific.
So what's the kind that cell phones are zapping my brain with?
Nonionizing/microwaves.
More specifically, in the UHF band. Do you know what used to use the UHF band quite extensively? TV! OH NOES! TV REALLY IS ROTTING OUR BRAINS!
e: Wait, that's for DC fields. Radio waves don't drop off too harshly over distance in air, but there will be a difference at 1 km, especially when it's going through buildings and whatnot.
No. You were right the first time. Its called the inverse square law. Basically the radiation is at some power but as it propagates the power gets spread over more and more area.
Ah, right, right. I was getting some concepts confused.
You see the problem is that the inverse square of the distance rational only makes sense if the phone and the tower are at the same power level. There is no way in hell that is true. You could be right. The power from the cellphone may be higher but there is no way to tell without doing some math.
This I think I know though. The cellphone doesn't have to transmit at as high a power as the tower, because while the signal is going to be at a very low power, it still exists. Air is practically lossless, so the signal isn't actually getting absorbed or anything (unless it encounters a building or whathaveyou), and the tower can simply ramp up the received signal using an amplifier.
Doesn't practically everything cause cancer these days?
Yes. It doesn't matter what you eat, drink, or simply expose yourself to, you will get cancer.
This is sarcasm, right?
Well you'd be surprised what can cause cancer. My grandpa got the precursor to a form of leukemia because he is old.
From what I understand, developed countries have a much higher incidence of cancer. Why that is exactly isn't clear, but I think a lot of it has to do with diet. For example, Americans have a much greater chance of developing breast or anal cancer than Japanese, whereas Japanese are most likely to develop stomach cancer.
Posts
The National Cancer Institute reports that the rate of brain cancer has slightly decreased from 1990 to 2002. This period corresponds rather nicely to the explosive growth of cell phone usage in the world. If there was a link, shouldn't that number be sky rocketing?
Well, it's possible that the damage only manifests in a noticeable way after a longer period of use than cell phones have been popular. They might only give you cancer after you've used one for 20-30 years or something.
That's pure conjecture though.
supposedly there's a sharp dropoff in the radiation with very little distance.
Anyway, the article has more to say about the surgeon's credibility than the actual facts that are informing his conclusions.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
Only if you assume the carcinogenic properties of the radiation are strong enough to reach detectable levels within the period of time you mentioned. And that people actually bother to check for it. And that the numbers are reported correctly. And that the number of brain tumors NOT caused by phone radiation remains the same.
Personally, I'd put my trust in peer-reviewed studies rather than conjecture. Having said that, I'll wait for something definitive before I change my phone habits.
By the way, how does the study feel about keeping the phone in my pocket next to the skin all the goddamn time?
You dun roasted yer balls, son.
Well, the headsets generally stick right to the ear, some even come equipped with the little appendages that protrude into the ear canal a bit like ear bud headphones. What I'm wondering is what kind of radiation do those give considering they send some kind of all-directional radio wave like a phone does, or does it not matter since headsets are smaller than a phone?
Still, since they're operating on such low ranges, they don't output as much radiation as the cell phone itself.
Laptops. Cell Phones. Modern technology is out for your manhood!
FUCK! I keep my iPhone in my front pocket all damn day. :x
When I first read that, I thought you knew something about headsets that I didn't, haha. But I think you're right - they just may not put out as much as phones do. So all in all, it seems feasible to save your brain, prevent more auto accidents while talking and driving, and look like a weirdo talking to yourself with a headset and just save yourself the trouble, eh?
How does it seem logical? We're talking about non-ionizing radiation here. The only thing cell phone radiation can do, as far as we know, is heat up the top layers of skin a few fractions of a degree, less than, say, standing in the sun.
Well, I really don't know much about it at all, to be honest. I'm just judging based on reports I've heard in the past giving the same kind of information - that radiation is something you don't want that close to your vital body parts on a regular basis.
I have no freaking clue that I am always being bombarded with cell phone radiation.
It boggles the mind. If cell phone radiation causes cancer then the only solution would be to move out in the wilderness where there is no cell phone coverage. You do realize that the type of radiation we are talking about is electromagnetic radiation also more commonly known as light.
The trouble is that 'radiation' is a wide category, including terrible gamma waves, radio waves, microwaves, visible light, and a bunch more.
All of them are very different from each other, so for anyone to talk about 'radiation' in a scientific context, they need to be very specific.
So what's the kind that cell phones are zapping my brain with?
Sound waves.
Visible light is electromagnetic radiation, but hardly the only type.
As I said - I don't really know much about radiation at all, but this thread has been very informative!
e: Wait, that's for DC fields. Radio waves don't drop off too harshly over distance in air, but there will be a difference at 1 km, especially when it's going through buildings and whatnot.
We've had 90+ years of widespread human exposure to radio waves and there is no evidence linking them to cancer.
More specifically, in the UHF band. Do you know what used to use the UHF band quite extensively? TV! OH NOES! TV REALLY IS ROTTING OUR BRAINS!
Doesn't practically everything cause cancer these days?
STUPID! YOU'RE SO STUPIDDDDDD!
Yes. It doesn't matter what you eat, drink, or simply expose yourself to, you will get cancer.
This is sarcasm, right?
This I think I know though. The cellphone doesn't have to transmit at as high a power as the tower, because while the signal is going to be at a very low power, it still exists. Air is practically lossless, so the signal isn't actually getting absorbed or anything (unless it encounters a building or whathaveyou), and the tower can simply ramp up the received signal using an amplifier.
From what I understand, developed countries have a much higher incidence of cancer. Why that is exactly isn't clear, but I think a lot of it has to do with diet. For example, Americans have a much greater chance of developing breast or anal cancer than Japanese, whereas Japanese are most likely to develop stomach cancer.