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I bought this
http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Muscle-Optimeal-Vanilla-Creme-2-lbs-908-g-Powder/341?utm_source=g&utm_medium=x&at=0
Really cheap because I work in a health food store but it tastes so damn bad. Its grainy, turns the milk brown and makes me gag. If they all taste this bad is there a way to make it taste better? Also, I am a bit confused on when to take this. I was told right before work out but the bottle says 30 min after work out.
Can you guys suggest any other supplements because I get a 20% discount so why not.
http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Muscle-Optimeal-Vanilla-Creme-2-lbs-908-g-Powder/341?utm_source=g&utm_medium=x&at=0
Really cheap because I work in a health food store but it tastes so damn bad. Its grainy, turns the milk brown and makes me gag. If they all taste this bad is there a way to make it taste better? Also, I am a bit confused on when to take this. I was told right before work out but the bottle says 30 min after work out.
Can you guys suggest any other supplements because I get a 20% discount so why not.
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add it to milk and it's pretty much a chocolate milkshake
Cliff Builder bars taste fine to me.
The protien drink I had me burping it up for 30 min.
http://www.target.com/Pure-Protein-Choc-Whey-Powder/dp/B001UUGT4K/sr=1-7/qid=1244655796/ref=sr_1_7/175-9991994-4470640?ie=UTF8&frombrowse=0&index=target&rh=k%3Aprotein&page=1
It blends well and doesn't taste like much (mostly like a weaker nesquik), which are my two main criteria for protein shakes.
if you have trouble with gas with milk or milk byproducts and some proteins cause you some gas (it will happen anyway) use protein isolates
for nighttime feeding use caseins
preworkout or post workout i suggest you guys time things properly since some people get nauseous during their workout
many protein powders taste bad there's no way around it some do taste great but it also depends on what else is mixed in (example muscle milk protein powders are tasty but they contain more sugar than you would find on a plain isolate or plain casein which btw are much thicker and slower to digest)
with all that said if you are just looking for protein based on taste you might be missing a lot
now for the bars
some bars like cliff bars are better geared towards runners or stamina type athletes you want the best tasting bar with a proper protein ratio try the muscle milk bars, the pro crunch bars you see at local gnc stores or the pure protein bars (different flavors)
but for more in depth information i'd check out bodybuilding sites
I tend to avoid protein bars because while they are easier and tend to taste better, a lot of them have a lot of added crap you don't need.
This is just what I've been told by a number of trainers I've asked throughout the years.
As far as protein, I've been told anywhere between 0.5-1 gram of protein per lb of lean body mass you want. So if you want to be 160 lbs (which includes, say, 10 lbs body fat), you want to have 80-160g of protein in your diet each day. Some use more scoops of protein to help them hit that goal.
hmm it depends really
a huge misconception is that that rule you mentioned applies to everyone
but for most people 20-40g protein post workout (when your body needs and begins recovery asap)
20-30 any other time of the day
a general rule for athletes is to take 1g or 1.5 g protein per lb of bodyweight (higher level athletes like bodybuilders or powerlifters would do 2g per pound of bodyweight you can do that too if you want but not necessary) but spread out through out the day
remember the majority of protein amount has to come from food (milk, eggs, meat, etc) not from protein powders alone
so if you find you are for example 185 lbs using the 1.5g/lb rule you'd be taking 277g of protein for optimal muscle maintenance and around 2200 calories per day so split that amount across 4-5 meals (giving you a 55g per meal average of protein)
don't want to take that much protein? just keep it at 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight giving you a 185g of protein per day and an average of 37g protein per meal (again these amounts are not set in stone, one meal might have 45g another might have 15g but what matters the most is the amount you take post workout should be 25g-40g)
seeing these half assed calculations you are probably understanding why people use protein powders along their diets when trying to size up/strenghten their muscles or losing weight while maintaining a lower caloric intake without sacrificing muscular density (aka tone)
what exactly are you trying to do? lose weight? maintain? gain a bit more muscle? (assuming you do workout)
if your goals arent completely set yet you can do just fine with gaspari's myofusion or 4everfit's isolate protein line, something cheaper like NOW food's isolate or 100% whey will do just as well
Right now I am just trying to lose weight..
I tried that protien shake again last night and it made me gag again. Even with one scoop it is so bad I can't do it.
haha i'm not suprised protein blends with vitamins will always have a weird taste
are you taking it with milk or water?
try taking that protein in the morning (due to the vitamins) with milk + 2 bananas + scoop of ice cream (or 2-3 packets of splenda) instead of just alone, just mix it up on the blender
but i'd suggest you try another protein when you are done with the one you got (or take advantage of return policies) in any case it'll take you a bit of time til you find the one you like the most just dont forget some of the tastiest proteins hav too much added crap keep it simple
If you are losing weight why are you adding more protein to your diet? If anything I would be looking at my daily diet for things to replace or substitute
Im going to give it to my friend I cant down it no matter how hard I try. It smells like playdough no joke..
So I am going to pick up a 100% whey powder. Thats better for weight loss right?
If you were simply trying to build muscle, yeah, sure, but for losing weight? It's equivalent to mixing a tbsp of sugar into your milk as far as weight loss is concerned.
I was under the impression that taken on more protein was just to give you the 'full feeling' while you avoided carbs, because protein gives you very little energy.
Cliff Builder bars are extremely yummy, but the regular Cliff Bar's are usually cheaper and have just half the protein, and far less fat, which makes them good in a pinch.
No, protein takes longer for your body to digest because it's not, essentially, based on sugar. Carbohydrates easily break down into sugar, which are quickly absorbed by your body. It's why people have a "sugar rush," and why athletes eat pasta/rice before working out.
Protein hangs around in the stomach longer, which is why you feel more full, or full for longer.
This is based on eating food, mind; the shakes are usually simply for building muscle, as drinking liquids never keep you as full as eating actual food. My wife pointed out to me the science behind it at some point, but I don't remember the details. It's why a breakfast that you eat will stick with you longer than a smoothie, even if the caloric and nutritional content is identical. I think it just takes longer for your stomach to process it and pass it along to the small intestine.
However, because protein is harder to digest and process into energy, people on low/no carb diets that focus on protein will often crave carbohydrates. I mean, the end-goal of a low/no carb diet is essentially a form of vegetarianism; you're just using high protein meals to get past the "always hungry" portion while you transition into vegetable-heavy meals with a reasonable portion of protein.
But high protein, no carb diets will force your body into ketosis, which is great for weight loss but bad for your heart (and breath).
protein maintains muscle density when you are losing weight you want to lose FAT not muscle
fat cannot turn into muscle muscle cannot turn into fat despite what some people think
you need protein no matter what you are doing; losing weight or gaining weight (gaining weight in our case = muscle density not fat)
now why do you need protein when you are losing weight? again, its to maintain muscle density
bodybuilders have 2 seasons first one is bulk stage bulk stage or bulk season they increase their macronutrients ratios higher protein intake more carbs and a higher caloric intake 2200-4000 calories a day they go for size in this time
the second season is cut stage this is the weight loss stage where they cut their caloric intake while mantaining protein intake high to avoid muscle shrinkage because after all they are trying to show their muscle definition
in the same way a regular person like you or me can do a cut to show our six packs we just need a proper ratio of carbs to protein and lower our caloric intake (1800-2000 calories a day maybe a little less but never below 1500 cals a day its not as useful)
so yeah protein is important whether you are bulking or cutting because thats where our body gets the amino acids it needs for muscle repair and maintenance
other proteins are faster digesting like isolates and hydrolyzates (hydrolizates?) which makes them excellent to take post workout
and regular proteins like 100%wheys are moderately absorbed you can blend them with an isolate or a casein or take it all by itself since its a very versatile protein, let me give you an example
you can use 100%whey and make milkshakes (like i told OP a few posts ago) mix it with water and drink during a meal (for 18-20g extra protein) mix it with milk post workout, mix it with cottage cheese at night before bed (the casein in cottage cheese slows down the absorption of the protein hence why a lot of people who KNOW about protein recommend cottage cheese at night)
you can even mix it on your pancake batter for pancakes or waffles /shrug its up to you
like i said earlier go to an actual bodybuilding site for more in depth information on proteins and macronutrient ratios and to learn more about protein/carbs and the best times to use them for best results whether you are bulking or cutting
i know you're not advising him to bulk/cut, but i thought this scooby article might be interesting to read, since you've raised the point.
The martian metaphore is written in a confusing way, but gets the point across.
not meaning to threadjack, just had to think of scooby's post when i read this.
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and like a retard, i forgot the url
Bulking and Cutting
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/gn/myofusion.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/whey.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/4ever/wheyprotein.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/dym/elite.html
there are others but in terms of servings/protein per serving/price those are the best
(my favorite is myofusion and optimum's whey which i take during the day and at night i mix with some cottage cheese always keeping my total caloric intake around 2300, i'm at around 200 stable lbs
shop around you can find them cheap in some sites or your own store
yup i wasnt since he's not a bodybuilder nor is he looking to bulk or add size to his frame but rather shave off excess bodyfat, we'll use the cut ideas to lower his bodyfat without sacrificing his muscle
now the website, allow me to explain something:
there's 2 camps, the bulk/cut crowd and the "bulkcut is a myth" crowd :
now the bulk cut crowd splits off seasons; one to size up their frame the second to shave off excess fat notice that they increased their bodyweight and fat and then later they just lowered the fat, this leads to stable gains in muscle strenght and density
also they mention that there's 2 types of bulks the first one they call "dirty bulk" the second one is yeah you guessed it "clean bulk"
the difference is that on a dirty bulk you dont really worry about what you are eating (you can eat a pie if you want so long as you are getting the right amount of protein/carbs everyday but dont go nuts on the junk food of course)
whereas the clean bulk refers to a bulk where you WATCH what you eat (NO JUNK FOOD! but still high caloric intake) then you do a cut (lower caloric intake gradually) to shape up the muscles and get a better striation (for a show or contest or skip the cut if you are not a competitor or dont feel liek doing a cut just watch caloric intake over time)
you can use the ideas for a bulk if you are skinny and or have tiny frame with no muscles to show and you are just starting, and you can use the ideas on a cut if you are a bit chubby or overweight since you have a pretty good base frame to work from unless you want a bigger frame (muscle not fat) in which case you do a 'clean bulk" while adjusting calories and nutrients as needed to keep bodyfat down
the "bulk/cut is a myth" crowd tells you you can do a bulk and cut at the same time by increasing your calories while keeping down your bodyfat and adjusting calories over time does this sound familiar? yep a bit similar to "clean bulk" which is what always leads bodybuilders and athletes to do an "/epic picard facepalm"
there's so much more to go into because the "bulking is a myth" crowd has so many misunderstandings it makes the issue so complex that suffice to say if you went to a place with actual professional bodybuilders and or people who know their stuff and shouted "bulk/cut is a myth" you'd be slapped around harder than kim jong il if he'd stood up at a rap concert and proclaimed the superiority of country music
(if i'mnot making sense gimme a break i'm tired i havent slept well)
I've been doing a bit of research the last week or so regarding protein shakes but I'm still confused as to what to try. I'd simply buy any random protein shake and try it out myself but I'm concerned it might fuck up my health in some way. Basically, I work manual labour at a factory for 12-hour shifts (soon to be taken down to 8-hours hopefully) and I need to build muscle/energy to keep myself going at work. I do a lot of heavy lifting and moving around. At the moment I stand at 5'9" and weigh about 160-170lbs, so putting on muscle is key. I figure stamina building will come on its own in due time. I've tried eating more meat and greens but it just isn't doing the trick.
Any recommendations?
Currently I'm downing one Detour protein bar per shift but I'm not seeing any huge results.
Have a protein shake with breakfast. Two scoops of whey, a bunch of blueberries, a banana, and a good dose of milk. That will give you a ton of staying power until lunch, and will be at least 3992x healthier then reasonably priced protein bars.
But really, you should be able to get enough protein through careful diet planning. You can get protein quite easily from more then just meat. And eating too much expensive protein just makes you have expensive protein-rich poop.
For example, scrambled eggs with lox is pretty much pure protein. Most people like onions in there, but I don't care for them. In addition, I've found that only using only one yolk for every two eggs improves the texture, but I tend to not like the taste of yolk.
But back to my original concern:
Sounds pretty damn good! Are there any specific "brands" or types of whey proteins on the market I should stay away from, or look for?
It's much better then and sits well on my stomach. I usually just buy starberries, sometimes I use yogurt!
I like Optimum Nutrition. The double rich chocolate tastes good enough.