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I'm just here to Browse... (the new Opera)
Kor
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So apparently Opera put out the beta for its 10.0 version of its browser recently.
I admit, I never cared much for the Browser conflicts. Friends telling me firefox is better than IE. Me never caring and comfortable with what I was using.
Then after the Wii came out and said it was featuring an Opera browser, for some reason it just caught my interest.
So I made the switch. I switched to opera a few years ago and never looked back. Since then, I've been married, to a woman who uses firefox exclusively.
Now, just recently, within the past month, my wife finally convinced me to leave opera for firefox. Mostly because I kept having issues with certain website support. Digg just wouldn't load sometimes, ytmnd.com didn't work period, I couldn't watch the new video's hosted on bungie's site, and several pages just had crappy bugs like the university of new mexico student pages.
The change was okay. pages seem to load slower in firefox, but I guess I can get to pages without problem anymore. It just takes me 2 or 3 clicks on a link once in a while.
Now we come to my knowledge of Opera 10. or rather, my lack of knowledge. I'm posting from Opera 10 right now, and I've got to say, the page loading speed is insane. We're talking less than 2 seconds easily; less than 1 second in most scenarios. Some of my previously listed websites seem to be working without flaw, so far.
I dunno why, but I've always just had a fondness of Opera, the layout itself just seems so smooth and fluid. Plus, it seems to have most of its better features stolen by IE and Firefox anyway.
The reason I'm brining any of this up at all though, is that I'm curious if anyone can shed some light on the reason why Opera seems to stay out of the spotlight? Why is it when Opera comes up with tabbed browsing, no one cares, but when Firefox does it, its the last nail of IE's coffin? Finally, I was hoping someone could educate me on what makes Opera 10 so much better than Opera 9? They seem to be trying their hardest to hype it up, but I'm having a hard time finding anything that isn't a short bullet point list of new(read: old but better) features.
I admit, I never cared much for the Browser conflicts. Friends telling me firefox is better than IE. Me never caring and comfortable with what I was using.
Then after the Wii came out and said it was featuring an Opera browser, for some reason it just caught my interest.
So I made the switch. I switched to opera a few years ago and never looked back. Since then, I've been married, to a woman who uses firefox exclusively.
Now, just recently, within the past month, my wife finally convinced me to leave opera for firefox. Mostly because I kept having issues with certain website support. Digg just wouldn't load sometimes, ytmnd.com didn't work period, I couldn't watch the new video's hosted on bungie's site, and several pages just had crappy bugs like the university of new mexico student pages.
The change was okay. pages seem to load slower in firefox, but I guess I can get to pages without problem anymore. It just takes me 2 or 3 clicks on a link once in a while.
Now we come to my knowledge of Opera 10. or rather, my lack of knowledge. I'm posting from Opera 10 right now, and I've got to say, the page loading speed is insane. We're talking less than 2 seconds easily; less than 1 second in most scenarios. Some of my previously listed websites seem to be working without flaw, so far.
I dunno why, but I've always just had a fondness of Opera, the layout itself just seems so smooth and fluid. Plus, it seems to have most of its better features stolen by IE and Firefox anyway.
The reason I'm brining any of this up at all though, is that I'm curious if anyone can shed some light on the reason why Opera seems to stay out of the spotlight? Why is it when Opera comes up with tabbed browsing, no one cares, but when Firefox does it, its the last nail of IE's coffin? Finally, I was hoping someone could educate me on what makes Opera 10 so much better than Opera 9? They seem to be trying their hardest to hype it up, but I'm having a hard time finding anything that isn't a short bullet point list of new(read: old but better) features.
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-It's faster
-It's prettier
-Speed dial is still around
-We integrated some mail thingy
-You can now expand your search bar
-It's faster... again
-Integrated spellcheck
-Auto updates
-Opera Mail can do more stuff now
-Option to automatically send crash reports.
-Something about Dragonfly/web dev tools.
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Opera stays out of the spotlight because people are stupid and don't use it. That's the best answer, pretty much. Firefox has zillions of dollars from Google and the whole horde of open source junkies to pimp it everywhere on and offline, and obviously IE/Safari come preinstalled when you buy Windows or Mac, so Opera really never gets a break except on something like the Wii or phones where performance is at a premium and your browser actually has to not suck if you're going to be able to run it at any sort of speed.
I didn't know that google was backing firefox.
I guess with that, its safe to say opera's position is pretty much solidified.
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I've since learned to control and limit these crashes. The only reason I've put up with it though is because of the Speed Dial feature. I seriously love this feature, and am willing to go through quite a bit just to keep it.
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The bolded part doesn't apply to me, which is why I still use Firefox. Opera (and every other browser) doesn't have something that can replace Zotero, and AutoPager is awesome.
Too bad really, I have a friend who preaches about Opera to me whenever he sees an opening but as good as it is on Linux/Windows Opera 10 still isn't up to snuff on Mac.
The last version (one I was using a few months ago, in the Ubuntu 8.10 repos from back then) ran like shit.
In fact, Opera's always been the slowest browser I've used, no matter which OS or computer I'm using. I've always wondered where all this praise over its speed comes from. It was especially bad in linux, where I had to re-click any given link / re-press-enter every address a minimum of three times to get it to go anywhere.
...that being said, it was still the only browser that didn't randomly crash (until I disabled flash in everything), so I still stuck with it anyway.
tl;dr, is it REALLY faster, or is this fanboy / press release talk?
I have a 12 down 4 up connection speed, and this beta seems to give me faster pages than I'm used to. I can clearly see the difference.
I also just notice a button at the bottom that says it increases speeds for slower connections. I can't test that, but I'm curious to the validity of it.
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I owe Opera an apology. This shit is fast as fuck.
Seriously, I'm getting faster-than-Chrome speeds on this baby. The "turbo" mode just compresses everything, so it makes no difference on anything resembling broadband, but is theoretically a nice feature anyway. Don't bother with anything relying on images (such as... Penny Arcade's comics), since it makes everything look like it stopped loading half-way.
I need to go try this on Ubuntu.
It's an absolute steal at free. Best browser ever made. If a site doesn't play nice with it, too bad, if its not business related I don't go to it. Fast. Stable. Innovative.
As a new user of Opera (minus my DSi) I am amazed.
I am now trying to figure out if I can transfer all of my bookmarks in one easy swoop, if I can, then bamf I have a new browser it seems.
I used to do that and I still don't see much difference.
Doing it that way, I could be in another program and have one click to the page I wanted, rather than two.
Of course now everyone is forcing the tabs so oh well, I'll deal.
You can. Go to Bookmarks -> Manage Bookmarks -> File -> Import (Insert Browser Here)
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I'm a chrome user on windows, and I love it. I want my browser to get out of my way, not load up features I couldn't give a shit about.
http://unite.opera.com
What is this I don't even...
This could be good and bad at the same time. Easy file sharing? Sure. Web server in your browser? What?
Opera: Making botnets a little easier to join since 2009.
That said, the new version of Opera is pretty slick. I'm too used to my Firefox extensions to fully switch over, but I LOVE the speed so much.
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See, this particular argument just strikes me as, well, a bit strange. The mail, chat & bt ++ (and now the Unite) parts only loads if you choose to use them. If you don't, those elements will never even be loaded into memory. None of these elements are taking up any UI space either, unless you actually activate them.
turned turbo mode on. pictures look shitty, doesn't load all pages to the end (the fucking sandclock doesn't disappear), takes much longer to load and sometimes just doesn't load the pages fully, like all the icons don't load at all (for example the quote/reply/report ones here).
no problems with turbo mode off though, but i don't see any reason to switch.
But Opera only takes up 10 megs, whereas Firefox takes up 26 on my hard drive. Opera also uses only 5 megs more of RAM than Firefox.
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Yeah, I know. It was just some weird thing with Ubuntu 8.10 and my computer... most other distros (including the subsequent Ubuntu and all the previous ones I've been with) don't have that problem.
Speaking of Ubuntu, it's what I'm posting from now using the new Opera. 10000% better than the last one, holy shit.
Looks like Firefox just became my flash video downloading program, unless there's an easy way to do that in Opera as well (looking through the cache, while technically a solution, is way too much of a pain).
Edit: If I have one complaint about Opera, it's that I can't get the screen real estate down to what I can in other browsers... or at least, Firefox and Chrome. Not sure about IE, haven't used that for a while. Oh well.
Well, here's how I have mine configured at the moment. Doesn't really take much screen real estate, and if I could be bothered to use F2 instead of the address bar then I could slim it down to just the tab toolbar
Spill it, Dir.
The skin is called "Breeze Simplified" ( link: http://my.cn.opera.com/community/customize/skins/info/?id=620 ). I've had to do some modifications to it though, as there have been a few changes in the default theme/engine since the last "official" release of that skin.
If you want my modded version, get it here: http://gallery.thesecondscreen.com/uploads/breeze_simplified_v4_22c.zip ( save to %appdata%\Opera\<Opera...>\skin\ )
(there's still some icons to replace in the latest Opera 10 betas, mainly the email client, but I'm not bothering with them until the new default theme is finalized)
As for the menu bar, well, it depends on what version of Opera you're using. The easiest way would be to just download the very latest build from the Opera Desktop Team: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/ and uncheck "Show Menu Bar" in the file menu.
EDIT: Changed a few icons in the skin to replace a couple of the new Opera 10 defaults.
This is much better.
http://gallery.thesecondscreen.com/uploads/breeze_simplified_v4_22d.zip
(If you, like me, don't use this feature then just right-click a tab -> customize -> uncheck "Enable Thumbnails in Tabs." This looks better, and saves you a few vertical pixels)
EDIT: Did a few more tweaks to the thumbnails.
I'm impressed with the beta. I'm going to give it a shot at replacing FF for personal use and see how things go.
Firefox might SEEM lightweight, but compared to Opera it runs like crap and, like Syphon points out, it's bigger. Opera's extra features slowit down less than Firefox's "I can't do anything unless you install an extension!" faux-asceticism.
I enjoy the multitude of features that come out of the box with Opera. The panel with Notes, History with Search, IRC, Transfers etc etc, the 'Auto Open a new tab when searching' function, show images toggle, zoom, inline find (though I find FF's find a little better), Paste & Go shortcut, the cascading bookmarks list, the Trash Can, the Multiple Document Interface layout (where the tabs are actually windows, thus resizable within the browser) and of course, Speed Dial.
Most of these have been implemented into other browsers with extensions but still. I only wish there were better tutorials for building widgets. I'm still wishful for NoScript on Opera, and no "turn off JS button" hack will do for me.
Oh! Opera also loads images within spoiler tags, only when I click on it, no complaining about large images behind spoilers here! :P
I used to have this exact same problem, it was some sort of memory leak in 9.5-something and I *think* it involved leaving Flash applications open in tabs for long periods of time. I haven't seen it crop back up in the last few versions and I'm definitely not getting it in 9.64 which is what I'm running right now, but what I've been doing is opening almost all of my Youtube videos and other major Flash using sites in Firefox instead. That way if FF starts getting too bloated I can just shut it down and restart it and I have no problems with everything else in my main browsing.
No, but the kludgy solution isn't too bad, actually. In short, *everything* is a toolbar. The only practical difference between the Address Bar and the Main Toolbar is that one is above the tabs and one is below. Just move everything from one toolbar to the other.
View -> Toolbars -> Main Bar
Right click on the bar and select Customize -> Appearance.
Right click on each icon on the Main Bar and remove them. Drag all the items from the Address Bar up to the Main Bar.
Click on the Address Bar and select "Off" on the Placement dropdown.
If you later decide that this is a non-ideal solution, you can Right-Click -> Customize -> Reset toolbar to default. Then bring up the Appearance box again, show hidden toolbars, set the placement of the address bar from "off" to "top", and reset that toolbar to default also.
All this looks pretty complicated, but it takes like thirty seconds to do in real life.