MOTW 6/17/09: Good God, Bigby

TexiKenTexiKen EliteRegistered User regular
edited June 2009 in Graphic Violence
So, Jack of Fables #35, the penultimate issue, cleans house pretty well:
Sam tries to steal Thorns pen, but is shocked because he pretty much gathered all of Thorn's stories in his mind at once (Thorn has written all of the atrocities throughout history).

Babe gets two pages to do "her thing" but doesn't know what to do (I would have scanned them but the ending to the book was much more "whoa"

And Bigby sneaks up on the Genres and does.....this:

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And Jack's son arrive to help kill the wizard Thorn. Shit be going down, son.

Streets of Gotham was a good read, Dini is setting it up to be the book to catch all the runoff from the others. I didn't read the Manhunter backup yet but skimming through it it seemed to be a setup for new readers (which I would be since I never read her series).
So Firefly has learned how to make people combust into flames by placing small devices on people he bumps into in Gotham. Also worth noting is that Damien plays chess with Thomas Elliott in his prison cell/floor just to understand him. Dini has a good handle of Damien so far.

Firefly springs his plan to burn Gotham, and we get these nice pages:

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Action Comics Annual #1 was very good, a origin story for Chris and Thara, and just one big story with good art from Pere Perez.

And Captain Britian #14 was good as well, with a good twist
Dracula was dreaming it all in his head about winning, and it was due to WIsdom using Plokta to understand his strategy and dreams:

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And then the team teleports to fight on Fate's ship, Spitfire wasn't under control (though she feels guilty about killing an innocent to remain undercover), and Dane kills Captain Fate. Doom then tells Dracula he left a gift for him in his ship:

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and it was Meggan from the Annual.

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Iron Man was solid as usual. The face off between Pym and Reed in Mighty was pretty sweet, as was the Bagley art in Requiem.

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  • noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    My moment of the weak was Ultimate Spider-Man Requiem.

    I like seeing Bagley draw Spidey as much as the next guy, but I was expecting more you know? The previews made it seem like it was going to be a bunch of flashbacks, instead we only get one.

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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    Hey what the fuck was up with Iron Man's armor in Requiem

    When did his Ultimate armor look like the current gen 616 armor

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Elite Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I might be completely off on this, but I have a feeling those were pages Bagley did for his Mighty Avengers story that were never used, and they just tried to put all his unused Marvel work together to make the story. They just had Hanna ink and change some things to make it fit (and the inks did look weird in some places, as if to make up some stuff).

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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    If that's true, then that is bullshit

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Elite Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    It reads like Bagley did the work up to Iron Man appearing, then it might have been some fudging here and there.

    It was also weird how they were obviously covering up scars on Viper's face with her hair (like that Captain Planet chick) to have a reveal with a punch or something,yet never showed it, as if Bendis and Bagley made 2/3 an issue and then were told it wasn't going to be used so they just stopped.

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  • noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I don't know if I can blame Ultimatum and Jeph Loeb for the bad taste Ult Spiderman is suddenly leaving in my mouth. I bought requiem cause I wanted to see people's reaction to Spidey's death, and the previews made me think that's what it was going to be. Did we really need this issue? I have to imagine that even if Bendis wanted to use only one single flashback, he could have come out with tons of more powerful moments than this.

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  • HadjiQuestHadjiQuest Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I bought it too, because I thought it might be important to UC Spidey's launch.

    But, it really did seem like an unfinished issue that had just been sitting around. It has me really curious about the next issue, though.

    Destroyer is pretty much just gore porn at this point; there doesn't seem to really be anything else going on. The first issue was awesome, but I honestly don't care anymore and if it were and ongoing, I'd drop it as it stands.

    Streets of Gotham was kind of cool, but I don't have the money for more than two bat-books after this month, and I don't really like gritty street-level batbooks, although I may grab issue 2 just to see what happens with Firefly. The backups are great, and I really do like them quite a bit. I don't care much about Manhunter, but I still found it pretty interesting.

    Moment of the Weak: I wouldn't have gotten the Action Comics annual if I hadn't started a pull list last week. So, I lucked out there. Or did I? I really don't feel it was worth $5. It was all background to catch up readers like me who skipped over most of the lead-up, and it also retconned a few things in hopes of having them make more sense. Still, I just didn't really care for it. I knew almost all of the contents from wiki alone, and it seemed like a colossal waste of $5. I really hope that the other Superbook Annuals don't follow this format, but it sounds like they will be.

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I prefer the gritty street-level bat stuff. That excerpt looks pretty good.

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Yeah, I really enjoyed Streets of Gotham. Although, it does bug me that Dick's Batman suit is being drawn differently across several books. Streets of Gotham and Batman and Robin have him in Bruce's suit, while Winick's Batman and Booster Gold have him in the redesigned suit, with the prominent belt and gauntlet cuffs.

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  • descdesc the '87 stick up kids Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Went in to the lcs just to grab Iron Man, but walked out with a lot of random stuff. Olympus is pretty. Trial of Thor looks nice but the pacing seems all wrong and the ending is pretty abrupt. Viking is pretty, but I haven't gotten to it yet.

    I think I have to stretch my MOTW from yesterday and continue it to this week -- Alan's War is just too awesome. And I'm still reading it, so technically I think it can be my MOTW again.

    If it weren't Alan's War, I think it would be the first panel of Wolverine's origin in Uncanny X-Men First Class Giant Size #1.

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  • HadjiQuestHadjiQuest Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Fuck my comic shop for not getting X-Men First Class Giant Size #1.

    I'd trade every book I read this week for that one.

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  • kfroosterkfrooster Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Eh, it was an ok read. Wolverine's story makes it that much better though.

    Issue of the Week was probably Streets of Gotham. I love Dustin Nguyen's art.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    This was actually the first issue of Invincible Iron Man that I wasn't really into. The story just didn't really progress at all. It felt like re-hashed events from previous issues. Stark flies around with a rotting brain, encounters a friend and fights him, then gets helped out and moves on.

    This issue felt like filler to me, in all honesty.

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    you got an image of the altered batsuit from winnick's book or booster gold?

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS
    edited June 2009
    Dark Reign Mr Negative was pretty awesome as was
    Negative Spider-Man

    His design anyway, his speech was terrible.

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  • DelduwathDelduwath Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    This was actually the first issue of Invincible Iron Man that I wasn't really into. The story just didn't really progress at all. It felt like re-hashed events from previous issues. Stark flies around with a rotting brain, encounters a friend and fights him, then gets helped out and moves on.

    This issue felt like filler to me, in all honesty.

    Yeah, I kind of felt the same way. I mean, for several issues I've sort of been swaying between "this is an awesome series" and "I really don't like this series but can't put my finger on why"; this week's issue just felt decompressed, with nothing happening. Also, Larocca shouldn't be allowed to draw people (unless they're encased in heavy armor).

    Also, how long does it take to destroy your brain? The Crimson Dynamo had a fantastic point, and if Tony genuinely wants to erase his memories and whatever else, there are faster and simpler ways than flying all over the world, trying to remain under the radar, looking for hidden, abandoned laboratories in the hopes that they have enough juice to run some more brain-deletion cycles.

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  • DelduwathDelduwath Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    By the by, Incognito feels really decompressed to me. I keep buying it, and I keep sort-of-enjoying it despite the fact that I'm also kind of bored by it.

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  • WizardFistWizardFist Registered User
    edited June 2009
    Robert Kirkman is so mean. :cry:

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  • CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Does Kirkman write anything that isn't gore porn?

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Does Kirkman write anything that isn't gore porn?

    There wasn't much gore in Ant-Man, but in general he does seem to enjoy pushing the envelope on violence.

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    So the local Diamond distribuitor is moving, which somehow screws up all of the graphic novels and stuff. No Won Ton Soup 2. Dammit.

    Didn't read Destroyer or Incognito yet.

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  • WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Norman getting shot down by the Russians.

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Pretty sure I never got Incognito 3, so I can't read number four until I get it. Dammit! Comix were a total bust this week! Sonofabitch, goddamn, shit, etc.

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  • HadjiQuestHadjiQuest Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    It's not even that I have a problem with the gore in Destroyer, it's moreso that nothing else happened this issue. It was just 32 pages of guys literally covered (like, entirely, completely inked red) in blood.

    And last issue was just a set up for this issue.

    The first issue, so far, is the only one that has embodied what I thought this series would be.

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  • CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I love how Bigby saved Comedy for last.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Elite Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    From what was on S_D regarding MA #26, I'm really confused as to how Marvel thinks Val works. She's two or three, yet she's a genius and that apparently overrides her body simply learning how to talk in long sentences or have the motor skills capable to mess with stuff made by Cho? And she would know "Epic Fail?"

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  • KidDorkKidDork Registered User
    edited June 2009
    Delduwath wrote: »
    By the by, Incognito feels really decompressed to me. I keep buying it, and I keep sort-of-enjoying it despite the fact that I'm also kind of bored by it.

    The story felt rushed, and I'm getting tired of Brubaker apologizing all the time for his late indy books. Here's an idea: why not actually finish the majority of a story arc before you start publishing it? I gave up buying 'monthly' Warren Ellis books because of their contrarian approach to regular publishing schedules. I may have to start doing the same with Bru.

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  • psycojesterpsycojester Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    HadjiQuest wrote: »
    It's not even that I have a problem with the gore in Destroyer, it's moreso that nothing else happened this issue. It was just 32 pages of guys literally covered (like, entirely, completely inked red) in blood.

    And last issue was just a set up for this issue.

    The first issue, so far, is the only one that has embodied what I thought this series would be.

    I don't even think its a question of Kirkman loves gore anymore, he just really bloody loves that syrupy red colour, which is why he keeps thinking up plot mandated reasons for characters to be covered in it head to toe.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I haven't finished my stack yet, but so far I think Streets of Gotham is my MotW. I LOVED the opening sequence with Harley. Dini does such a good job writing her. I could read Harley comics all the time if they were written by Dini.

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  • FaynorFaynor Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    TexiKen wrote: »
    From what was on S_D regarding MA #26, I'm really confused as to how Slott thinks Val works

    Let's be honest, he had Pym say "Bitch, it's on."

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Val's got super-powers. Do you really need more of an explanation than that?

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    you got an image of the altered batsuit from winnick's book or booster gold?

    You can see some pencil pages featuring it here.

    It's basically Bruce's suit, except with the glove scallops attached to bracers instead of the gloves themselves, and a big, metal belt that looks really impractical.

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    ah. not a huge difference, it looks. thanks.

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  • BostonGanglerBostonGangler Registered User
    edited June 2009
    Delduwath wrote: »
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    This was actually the first issue of Invincible Iron Man that I wasn't really into. The story just didn't really progress at all. It felt like re-hashed events from previous issues. Stark flies around with a rotting brain, encounters a friend and fights him, then gets helped out and moves on.

    This issue felt like filler to me, in all honesty.

    Yeah, I kind of felt the same way. I mean, for several issues I've sort of been swaying between "this is an awesome series" and "I really don't like this series but can't put my finger on why"; this week's issue just felt decompressed, with nothing happening. Also, Larocca shouldn't be allowed to draw people (unless they're encased in heavy armor).

    Also, how long does it take to destroy your brain? The Crimson Dynamo had a fantastic point, and if Tony genuinely wants to erase his memories and whatever else, there are faster and simpler ways than flying all over the world, trying to remain under the radar, looking for hidden, abandoned laboratories in the hopes that they have enough juice to run some more brain-deletion cycles.

    I'm not sure if it's better or worse that it was acknowledged in-page that this whole spectacle is just ridiculous, irrational, and needlessly risky. If nobody had mentioned it, it would have been an elephant in the room. Now that Dmitri did, Stark's pretty much just an idiot for ignoring him. Responding dismissively like he did, though, just didn't make any sense.

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  • HadjiQuestHadjiQuest Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    You know, I just realized that all of Ultimate Spidey Requiem 1 was probably just put out to serve as a lead in to Warren Ellis's Ultimate Comics Armor War book at the relaunch.

    Edit: It should also be noted that Marvel Adventures will be doing its own version of the Armor Wars story at the exact same time, featuring covers by Skottie Young.

    Which will be better?

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  • WildcatWildcat Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Marvel Adventures. No contest.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    The actual story that was told in the Action Comics Annual wasn't bad. However, I didn't much care for the method in which it was told. There was practically no dialog at all. The entire story was told through a very heavy-handed narration. It was a bit much at times. Even still, the whole Religious Guild stuff was pretty cool, and the artwork was awesome. I don't know if I've ever read anything by Pere Perez before, but wow. He does a good job.

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  • DelduwathDelduwath Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Delduwath wrote: »
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    This was actually the first issue of Invincible Iron Man that I wasn't really into. The story just didn't really progress at all. It felt like re-hashed events from previous issues. Stark flies around with a rotting brain, encounters a friend and fights him, then gets helped out and moves on.

    This issue felt like filler to me, in all honesty.

    Yeah, I kind of felt the same way. I mean, for several issues I've sort of been swaying between "this is an awesome series" and "I really don't like this series but can't put my finger on why"; this week's issue just felt decompressed, with nothing happening. Also, Larocca shouldn't be allowed to draw people (unless they're encased in heavy armor).

    Also, how long does it take to destroy your brain? The Crimson Dynamo had a fantastic point, and if Tony genuinely wants to erase his memories and whatever else, there are faster and simpler ways than flying all over the world, trying to remain under the radar, looking for hidden, abandoned laboratories in the hopes that they have enough juice to run some more brain-deletion cycles.

    I'm not sure if it's better or worse that it was acknowledged in-page that this whole spectacle is just ridiculous, irrational, and needlessly risky. If nobody had mentioned it, it would have been an elephant in the room. Now that Dmitri did, Stark's pretty much just an idiot for ignoring him. Responding dismissively like he did, though, just didn't make any sense.

    I almost feel like at this point, Tony's had enough brain cells killed that he can't see the simple, common-sense solutions, and can only imagine the sort of outlandish nonsense that he does best.

    And, I actually really didn't understand what his response to Dmitri's comment was supposed to mean. He said something like "Not that bad yet", if I remember correctly. So, what the hell does that mean? That he's not that desperate to have his brain destroyed yet? But...fucker, you set an irreversible, excruciating deletion process in motion. You pushed a button to erase your brain. How is it "not that bad yet"? Is that supposed to indicate that Tony subconsciously hopes that the process will be halted for one reason or another?

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS
    edited June 2009
    I assumed it meant he wasn't ready to commit suicide, his brain i imagine once erased will just start at 0 and go up again.

    Of coruse the whole concept is stupid when people have had their minds wiped much easier.

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