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Pre-Fight Debate: Bracket 11
Doctor Doom
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Match A:
Apocalypse
Powers: Superhuman strength, stamina, and intellect, and the ability to alter his structure on a molecular level.
Vs.
Ultron
Powers:
* Superhuman strength, speed and durability
* Flight
* Energy blasts
* Force fields generation
* Hypnosis
* Genius-level intellect
Environment: Ruins of Genosha
Match B:
Swarm
Powers: Composed of a hive of bees with a single consciousness, can control bees outside of his form and other insects.
Vs
Mist
Powers: Can assume a mist form allowing intangibility. The mist can be used as a tranquilizing agent.
Environment: a tropical rainforest in South America.
Apocalypse
Powers: Superhuman strength, stamina, and intellect, and the ability to alter his structure on a molecular level.
Vs.
Ultron
Powers:
* Superhuman strength, speed and durability
* Flight
* Energy blasts
* Force fields generation
* Hypnosis
* Genius-level intellect
Environment: Ruins of Genosha
Match B:
Swarm
Powers: Composed of a hive of bees with a single consciousness, can control bees outside of his form and other insects.
Vs
Mist
Powers: Can assume a mist form allowing intangibility. The mist can be used as a tranquilizing agent.
Environment: a tropical rainforest in South America.
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Bees can't hit a mist, so that's a no-brainer.
I'm taking Ultron because I don't think Apoccy can do much in the way of physical damage to him, thanks to his adamantium plating and force fields. Plus, flight.
Mist over Swarm.
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The second one. Swarm is dead.
So there's that.
I am totally going with Ultron, because I also have to stick up for my guy.
And mist can go intangible...yeah...that pretty much sums it up.
Yes yes, he's a badass, but unless he transforms suddenly into Magneto I don't think he can really put a dent in Ultron.
You know, that whole unlimited strength thing...yeah. I think that goes along with the ability to break adamantium. It has never been tested but I honestly think Apocalypse can hit the threshold if it is life or death.
And his internals aren't adamantium. I'm quite sure there are ways to rip adamantium sheeting off of him without actively destroying adamantium. And Ultron is made of secondary adamantium which doesn't have the same properties as adamantium, it's much weaker.
Edit: We also kind of need to know which Ultron it is. Some had secondary adamantium, some didn't.
Match A: Apocalypse - Ultimately, he's just more of a badass. Ultron regularly gets his ass kicked by the Avengers, while Apocalypse goes up against the Xavier Mansion, which is usually full of 2-3 teams of X-men (which I'll call comparable to the Avengers for debate's sake) and he tends to win till he gets bored and leaves. Hell, I think Ultron's last in continuity appearance was in Runaways, where the Runaways were holding their own and Darkhawk blew a hole through him.
Match B - As much as I love Nazi Bee Man, he's about as thoroughly fucked as possible here. I'm at a lose to think of an opponent he could actually be less effective against.
And match B is in a fucking rain forest. A rain forest. Won't there be like, super nazi bees in the rain forest?
I would.
What are they going to do, sting Mist? Hahahahaha. Oh dear.
But yeah, Ultron in Runaways was made from scrap metal. He is in no way comparable to regular Ultron.
Regular Ultron goes toe-to-toe with pretty much ten Avengers at a time, including Thor and Iron Man, and he trounces them pretty heavily.
And Apocalypse gets his ass handed to him pretty heavily by single teams of X-Men fairly often.
And unless Apocalypse can get his hands on a chunk of Anti-Metal, he is not going to have an easy time trying to fuck up Ultron's internals, whereas Ultron will be totally tearing the shit out of Apoc with energy beams and forcefields and shit.
Ultron is a beast.
Also, he is much more interesting than Apocalypse. Who sucks.
she's massively inexperienced in real combat, and only manages to beat jack or crimson fox and blue devil and whoever that third person was by basically setting them up way in advance. i think the fight's more balanced than it appears.
edit- it was amazing man
She's fighting someone made of Bees.
OF BEES
THATS NOT A SUPER POWER THATS A CRIME AGAINST NATURE
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you can't sting something made of gas.
Gas that tranquilizes.
In the middle of the fucking rainforest.
Shit, let's just talk about how many ants are there waiting to destroy everything.
How.
Tell me how they can touch her and harm her while not being rendered dead or unconscious.
She doesn't need to.
She just needs to get to Swarm.
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But how is she going to do that? He can just split his core bee unit up and send portions of himself all over the place, then send expendable thousands of insects from the rainforest at her all day. If anything this fight sounds like it'll be a bloody draw. Inability of either side to kill the other effectively.
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Mist for the easy win.
Anyway, if that can't happen then Swarm's a goner, no matter what he throws at her.
Also, I'm 99% sure Apocalypse isn't strong enough to bend or break adamantium. Ultron's got eye and mouth holes though, doesn't he?
The Marvel site says he can influence the actions of insects outside his form, not necessarily control them.
Mist has also never shown that she can only be Mist for a certain length of time.
Or is that smoke?
She can set herself on fire and confuse the bees.
well mist or not she got her ass [spoiler:60d5752800]shot[/spoiler:60d5752800] and that's a fact, jack
Mist might as well be fighting the Wicked Witch of the West.
no she can't
She would've avoided that bullet if she had expected her dad to shoot her.
And just because she planned for all of her encounters doesn't mean she wouldn't have fared that well if she hadn't.
Wiki's entry on Mist wasn't very helpful.
Also, holy shit:
One acre may have 70,000 species of insects alone
The longer the fight goes on, the more likely Apocalypse will start to fatigue and possible suffer injury as a result; he's still organic after all , and all organic organisms have limits to their energy and endurance. The adamantium covered super robot? Not so much.
( side note - Ultron vs. Nimrod. Now THAT would be a battle of attrition )
Match B - Swarm? The same guy who got his ass kicked by Mary Jane, a male understudy who happened to be hanging around the theater that day, the sprinkler system and a stage prop?
...my vote goes to Mist.
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