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Oh no... oh GOD no!

RohanRohan Registered User regular
Dear God, someone help me. D:

Last year, I had Vista installed on our media pc and I had no end of troubles with it. Videos kept jumping in Media Center in zoom mode three. And other such fun stuff. Now, since then we've replaced the old tv and all the problems we had in Vista went away. I don't know how, they just did with a reformat and reinstall. We were delighted. So now, we've had a Vista installation for around a year with no problems. Cut forward to a few weeks ago when we decide to install Windows 7, as we prefer the Media Center installed with that. Yet again we had no problems, but for the sound card which crackled all the goddamned time. Installing the latest Realtek drivers just made it worse.

Cut forward again, to tonight. Getting sick of the crackling audio and unable to fix it, we unanimously decide to go back to Vista for another while. I install it, install drivers for the Radeon 3450 and the sound chip, and everything seems fine. Activated it, launched Windows Update and it downloaded and installed 78 updates (don't think it has installed even SP1 yet, though). While installing Avast, decide to install the Vista codec pack that we were using previously. Start up Media Center, and meticulously set up all the folders to watch and physically delete all the Sample Music/Picture/Video bullshit, and start playing a random video (an episode of Legend of the Seeker), just to make sure everything is alright.

Oh. My. Fucking. God. The video is jumping! Exactly as it used to before! I quite literally used to tear my hair out trying to sort out this problem. We attributed it to the old television, since we acquired the new one we hadn't seen it since, but now... oh man. Please God, not again.

Example one
Example two

The above two videos are examples I took with my digital camera back when we were suffering from this problem. The jumping you see in these videos are exactly what is happening now. I read somewhere that hd videos play choppily in Vista's Media Center due to the os throttling back CPU performance when idle. True, when I checked the minimum processor performance was only 5%. I ramped it up to 100% and yes, videos did stop jumping. But the hd videos didn't. We have quite a few hd videos and their number is growing, so this is something I want to put a stop to immediately, or I will be tearing hair again.

Someone please help me with this, because it frustrates me to the point of anger so quickly whenever I even think about the bloody thing. It can't be a performance issue because everything worked properly on the old Vista installation, and everything but the sound was peachy on the Windows 7 installation. The media isn't the fastest or most powerful, but it is certainly powerful enough to play videos and yes, hd videos (Pentium Dual Core E2160, 2GB PC6400, Radeon 3450). If nobody has any clues I'll have to go back to the 7 RC and deal with crackly audio until someone believes me about that issue and writes a proper freaking driver for Realtek HD Audio.

...and I thought of how all those people died, and what a good death that is. That nobody can blame you for it, because everyone else died along with you, and it is the fault of none, save those who did the killing.

Nothing's forgotten, nothing is ever forgotten
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  • RaynagaRaynaga Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I'm afraid I can offer nothing helpful beyond 'Your video links aren't working" and to triplecheck that you have all your codecs installed correctly.

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Try playing the videos in something other than Windows Media Player/Center, for instance, VLC or XBMC. Some player that avoids the DirectShow stack entirely.

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  • DírhaelDírhael NorwayRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Codec packs are generally a bad thing, and often causes more problems than they solve. Sure they can be convenient, but it's hardly picking the best tool for a job.

    Now you're not really mentioning anything about what format these video files actually are ("HD" really says nothing at all), what container (mkv, avi, ts etc.) or what audio codec, so it's hard to say where to start.

    Use a tool such as MediaInfo to get that info.

    My regular selection of codecs includes (the commercial, but absolutely fantastic) CoreAVC (H.264 content, used in most HD videos), NVIDIA Purevideo Decoder (also commercial, but the outstanding image quality is well worth it) to deal with DVD/MPEG-2 and the latest icl10 build of ffdshow. With these 3 codecs installed (along with a few selected splitters) you'd be hard pressed to find anything that won't play.

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  • MadpandaMadpanda suburbs west of chicagoRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Make sure if you are using Vista x64 you are using the 64 bit codec pack/media info. Using the 32 bit can cause... issues with VMC. Likewise if on Vista 32 make sure you are using 32 bit.

    This normally doesn't matter however recently I tried using VMC with the wrong set and it didn't work out well.

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  • Dark ShroudDark Shroud Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    A big part of the problem could be the codecs. You should uninstall that pack and give CCCP a try. It's uses the FFDShow decoders. I know many people who run their systems soley with CCCP without issue.

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  • RohanRohan Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Well, I've tried Klite, Vista Codec Pack, Sharkboy's Vista pack, CCCP and everything but the nVidia program that Dirhael advised me to try, and all I can take away from it is that it's not a codec issue. It's a Media Center issue. It happened on a previous install, it didn't happen on the last one but it has one this one once again. I wish Microsoft would allow Media Center to be uninstalled and installed again, but it's built into the os so if something goes wrong with it, you're stuck.

    Thanks for your post, Madpanda, but it's a copy of 32-bit Home Premium we have, not 64-bit. And thank you to everyone else for trying to help. You wouldn't believe the amount of time I spent trying to fix this the last time, and coming up with nothing. I guess we'll just have to go back to the Windows 7 RC and deal with crackling audio for the time being. :(

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    ...and I thought of how all those people died, and what a good death that is. That nobody can blame you for it, because everyone else died along with you, and it is the fault of none, save those who did the killing.

    Nothing's forgotten, nothing is ever forgotten
  • DírhaelDírhael NorwayRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Before you wipe the machine again, you could check out XBMC and see if it works. It's a great alternative to Media Center, and does not use any DirectShow codecs. It's also completely free, so there's not really anything to lose by trying :)

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  • RohanRohan Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Dìrhael wrote: »
    Before you wipe the machine again, you could check out XBMC and see if it works. It's a great alternative to Media Center, and does not use any DirectShow codecs. It's also completely free, so there's not really anything to lose by trying :)

    I do love XBMC, but it doesn't use the Microsoft MCE Remote properly. For example, I can't use the "Back" button to go back from playing the video to a menu, or even from one menu back to another menu. Now, I'm hardly a computer illiterate, but whenever I go to the XBMC forums to try and see if I can solve it, the solution seems to be incredibly complicated. I have the vague memory of trying once but getting absolutely nowhere with it. The best way to use XBMC is with a mouse and keyboard it seems, but since we don't have a wireless mouse and keyboard, and have an apartment filled with Wiimotes, remotes and wireless equipment for our desktops that require batteries, I don't think getting more battery-operated equipment is such a good idea.

    Ironically we do keep XBMC installed on the media pc because of the Apple Movie Trailers plugin, which seems to load in those quicktime trailers quicker than actually going to the site itself. But if someone here can help me get the MCE remote to work as it does in Media Center (with the back button and all) then I'll very happily switch full-time to XBMC and leave Media Center and it's woes behind.

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    ...and I thought of how all those people died, and what a good death that is. That nobody can blame you for it, because everyone else died along with you, and it is the fault of none, save those who did the killing.

    Nothing's forgotten, nothing is ever forgotten
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