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Pre-Fight Debate: Bracket 12
Doctor Doom
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Match A:
Sabretooth
Powers: Superhumanly acute senses, Superhuman strength, stamina, agility, and reflexes, Regenerative healing factor, Slowed aging process, Adamantium skeleton & claws, Resistance to telepathic detection and control.
Vs.
Xorn
Powers: Healing powers, Magnetism and gravity control
Environment: Sakaar (Planet where Planet Hulk takes place) Xorn may not use his powers directly on Sabretooth, but is allowed to use it on the environment offensively. (he can throw a big chunk of metal at the guy, but he can't rip out his skeleton.)
Match B
Despero
Powers: Telepathy, Hypnotism, Psychokinesis, Teleportation, Superhuman strength and endurance, Genius-level intelligence.
Vs.
Spiral
Powers: Multiple arms, superhuman strength, sorcery, teleportation, resistance to psionic possession
Equipment: 15 throwing knives.
Environment: The Panoptichron (Exiles)
Sabretooth
Powers: Superhumanly acute senses, Superhuman strength, stamina, agility, and reflexes, Regenerative healing factor, Slowed aging process, Adamantium skeleton & claws, Resistance to telepathic detection and control.
Vs.
Xorn
Powers: Healing powers, Magnetism and gravity control
Environment: Sakaar (Planet where Planet Hulk takes place) Xorn may not use his powers directly on Sabretooth, but is allowed to use it on the environment offensively. (he can throw a big chunk of metal at the guy, but he can't rip out his skeleton.)
Match B
Despero
Powers: Telepathy, Hypnotism, Psychokinesis, Teleportation, Superhuman strength and endurance, Genius-level intelligence.
Vs.
Spiral
Powers: Multiple arms, superhuman strength, sorcery, teleportation, resistance to psionic possession
Equipment: 15 throwing knives.
Environment: The Panoptichron (Exiles)
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Despero is an alien.
I'd have to say Sabertooth and Spiral are pretty fucked.
And what's the environment of Sakaar like?
She can't remove powers that are an inherent racial trait, and if she can, then she's stupid and should never have been allowed. Despero beat the JLA.
Draw your own conclusions.
Think Rome in all those gladiator movies meets wherever the hell those Xenomorph things come from.
Also, while Despero's strength, speed and invulnerability generally aren't natural powers, even if Spiral managed to shut those down (which I'm not sure she could as they are obviously due to his enhanced physicque, and I'm assuming she can't just make that go away) she'd have to deal with his preposterously powerful mental abilities.
You see, Despero is psychically powerful enough to enslave the Martian Manhhunter. Resistant as Spiral may be, I don't think she's that resistant to mind control.
And he can teleport shit. Into the sun. Or a black hole.
What I'm saying is that Spiral is definitely going to die.
I don't know a much about Spiral, but I know enough to know she is screwed in this fight.
And Spiral is fucked. So fucked it might as well be Sunday morning.
It really doesn't matter because she is going to get torn to shreds.
Match A: I'm leaning towards Xorn, simply because he's just more versatile. I am a bit confused as to the extent of his powers though. I was under the impression Xorn is basically a direct copy of Magneto, except with extra crazy, so what exactly are his gravity/healing powers, and how much of Magneto's powers does he have? Depending what else he has, if he also gets the whole force fields thing, that which would tip it from tough fight to cake walk.
Despero - Sorry sexy ninja, the crazy demon wins this one.
Even if she was to paralyze Despero I say there's nothing keeping him from telekinetically moving his own body. He's done worse.
A big crystal palace thing with a computer that links up to pretty much every reality in the multiverse.
whoa. what?
i was under the impression that sabertooth was and probably is still the same mass-murdering, EX-CIA, Weapon X trained, 3-time mercenary, wolverine hating killing machine.
this guy is far from dumb. FAR from it.
yeah xorn is versatile and all that.
but dont count out sabes. this guy has fought a fully enraged wolverine and managed to walk away countless times (with and without adamantium).
if anything else, he knows how to fight.
Yes, but if he wants to beat Xorn his ass better learn how to fly.
But man, there is nothing Spiral can do to him. Depower him? Sure, his strength and durability aren't natural, but they were given to him by the Flame of Py'Tar, a comsic being or some shit which he enslaved with his mind. She would not be able to depower him, I believe, any more than she would be able to depower Darkseid, whose strength, speed, durability and control over the Omega Effect were granted to him by immersion in X Element or some stuff like that.
depends on which definition of xorn we're using. if it's the one in the picture (just new x-men and none of the later confusion, then it's just plain magneto, though magneto hopped up on mutant crack, basically. his healing powers were just a function of him manipulating nanosentinals in people's bloodstreams.
But that would just leave the fight a draw. Xorn flies away while Sabertooth is stuck on the ground. But in the event that the two of them finally meet face to face I think the limitation that Xorn can't directly use his powers against Sabertooth gives ol toothy the edge.
It does.
Not enough to keep you from losing. My votes go to Xorn and Despero (even though deep inside I like Sabretooth and Spiral more).
When in doubt, throw it into space. Which is what Xorneto can do, so, he still kinda wins.
That other match, is, well, plain ol' stupid. Miss Deus ex-machina Vs. Mr. Imsofuckinggodlybutimavilliansoilosehurhur.
My vote goes for Despero, since he could probably just sense her via tk and blow up her brains from long range.
I think it's possible for her to strip him of his powers though, I'm just saying she won't get a chance too
I've only been reading Planet Hulk for the last few issues, but it appears that most of the planet is very desert like. They never show much of it because anytime Hulk has to go anywhere he just jumps and they describe distance in "stone steps."
To be fair, there have been like, three Xorns, and not a single one has ever been explained... honestly, Xorn is like the living embodiment of "smoking crack."
No, because Xorn sucked Juggernaut and Nocturne into his "brain," and this was well after Planet X and the death of Magne-xorn...
Kuan Yin Xorn is his twin brother, and he has a black hole for a brain.
Shen Xorn is the Xorn from New X-Men, and Kuan Yin is the one from Austen's run who swallowed the new Brotherhood up.
The Collective was somehow Shen's consciousness, and that makes no sense since he was long dead by the time M Day happened. I believe that K Xorn was depowered by Scarlet Witch, though.
I wonder if, during the Despero fight, he can use the Panoptichron to summon like 20 other Desperos, or if he can mind control the Timebreakers into throwing themselves at Ms. Cuisinart like so much cannon fodder.
And before it comes up, there's only one Mojoverse. So while there maybe be other normal Ricochet Ritas (that was her old name, right), there's only one Spiral.