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Baby Boomers are fucking worthless

KrunkMcGrunkKrunkMcGrunk Registered User regular
edited June 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
It pains me to admit it, but Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels sums my thoughts up nicely:

http://www.in.gov/portal/news_events/38894.htm

Wall o' text, folks.
In a job in which public speaking is an occupational hazard, there are two categories I try my best to evade: eulogies and commencements. The thoughts of the audience are likely to be elsewhere, and the chances of saying anything remotely original or memorable are, well, remote.

But, now and then, an invitation proves irresistible and, for me, Butler's was one of those. I have long felt as strongly about this school as a non-alumnus can, for many reasons. I had so many good friends who went here. The first love of my life went here. And then there is Butler basketball.

As a 10-year-old, new to Indiana, Butler basketball was about the only entertainment our family was able, or at least willing, to purchase for me. On countless frigid evenings, someone's dad would drop us off in the Fieldhouse parking lot, and someone else's dad would pick us up, after watching the Bulldogs either beat or scare the pants off some big-name larger school. I might stumble over my own college's fight song, but I still know yours by heart.

And I'm still an avid Butler fan. I love the style of play, the homegrown teams, and, of course, the incomparable venue that is Hinkle. But most of all, I love the soul of Butler basketball, the ethos, the philosophy espoused by Coach Hinkle so long ago, but still alive. It comprises simple and timeless principles: humility, unity, thankfulness. There's not a word about athletics in it. We can bet that, if Tony Hinkle had been the Dean of Business or the Chair of the Pharmacy Department, he'd have laid down the same guidelines. Rightly, you call it "The Butler Way."

If you're like I was, and most college graduates I've known, you will soon look back and say "Wow, I got out of there just in time." It's a very human tendency to conclude that one's high school or college went straight to hell right after they left. It's typical to recall these years with increasing fondness and nostalgia, to think of them as special, and to imagine your class as the greatest the school has seen.

On the record so far, you are. Your entering SAT scores, and the difficulty of many of the courses you've just taken, surpass any in Butler history. But the record of your class has only a first chapter; what counts is what you will do with your education, and your lives, starting - that is, commencing, tomorrow. Years from now, when you are addressing commencements or attending them as parents, people will review that collective record, and pronounce you either a good, an ordinary, or, who knows, maybe a great class. Of course, what really matters is what you do or don't achieve individually, but prepare to be lumped together in various ways and assessed as a group.

Among the grossest and most arbitrary of such lumpings is the idea of a generation, a generalization at war with the obvious reality that any age cohort is widely diverse, containing heroes and villains, angels and devils, geniuses and fools. The parents here today are wonderful people, who have loved you, sacrificed for you, and taught you well. Neither you nor they would be here, if that were not so. But many of their peers made very different choices.

Even though the whole notion of a "generation" must be discounted as the loosest of concepts, within limits it is possible to spot the defining characteristics of an age and the human beings who create it. Along with most of your faculty and parents, I belong to the most discussed, debated and analyzed generation of all time, the so-called Baby Boomers. By the accepted definition, the youngest of us is now forty-five, so the record is pretty much on the books, and the time for verdicts can begin.

Which leads me to congratulate you in advance. As a generation, you are off to an excellent start. You have taken the first savvy step on the road to distinction, which is to follow a weak act. I wish I could claim otherwise, but we Baby Boomers are likely to be remembered by history for our numbers, and little else, at least little else that is admirable.

We Boomers were the children that the Second World War was fought for. Parents who had endured both war and the Great Depression devoted themselves sacrificially to ensuring us a better life than they had. We were pampered in ways no children in human history would recognize. With minor exceptions, we have lived in blissfully fortunate times. The numbers of us who perished in plagues, in famine, or in combat were tiny in comparison to previous generations of Americans, to say nothing of humanity elsewhere.

All our lives, it's been all about us. We were the "Me Generation." We wore t-shirts that said "If it feels good, do it." The year of my high school commencement, a hit song featured the immortal lyric "Sha-la-la-la-la-la, live for today." As a group, we have been self-centered, self-absorbed, self-indulgent, and all too often just plain selfish. Our current Baby Boomer President has written two eloquent, erudite books, both about..himself.

As a generation, we did tend to live for today. We have spent more and saved less than any previous Americans. Year after year, regardless which party we picked to lead the country, we ran up deficits that have multiplied the debt you and your children will be paying off your entire working lives. Far more burdensome to you mathematically, we voted ourselves increasing levels of Social Security pensions and Medicare health care benefits, but never summoned the political maturity to put those programs on anything resembling a sound actuarial footing.

In sum, our parents scrimped and saved to provide us a better living standard than theirs; we borrowed and splurged and will leave you a staggering pile of bills to pay. It's been a blast; good luck cleaning up after us.

In Christopher Buckley's recent satiric novel Boomsday, the young heroine launches a national grassroots movement around the proposal that Boomers should be paid to "transition", a euphemism for suicide, at age 75, to alleviate this burden. That struck me as a little extreme; surely 85 would do the trick. Buckley meant his book for laughs, of course, but you'll find nothing funny about the tab when it comes due.

Our irresponsibility went well beyond the financial realm. Our parents formed families and kept them intact even through difficulty "for the sake of the kids." To us, parental happiness came first; we often divorced at the first unpleasantness, and increasingly just gave birth to children without the nuisance of marriage. "Commitment" cramps one's style, don't you know. Total bummer.

A defining book of our generation was Tom Wolfe's The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test, which chronicled the exploits of Ken Kesey and his Merry Pranksters, practitioners of the drug-taking '60s counterculture in its purest form. On the last page of the book, in a pseudo-intellectual, LSD-induced haze, Kesey chants over and over the phrase "We blew it."

In that statement, if in no other way, Kesey and his kind were prophetic.

As time runs out on our leadership years, it's clear there is no chance that anyone will ever refer to us, as histories now do our parents, as "The Greatest Generation." There is no disgrace in this; very few generations are thought of as "great." And history is not linear. Many generations fail miserably at the challenges they confront, and their societies take steps backwards as a consequence. Consider Japan before World War II, or Americans in the decades before the Civil War.

And yet in both those instances and many others, the people who followed did great things, not only redeemed all the failings but built better, fairer societies than their nations had seen before. In fact, true greatness can only be revealed by large challenges, by tough circumstances. And your opportunities for greatness will be large.

Among the reasons I usually duck commencements is the danger of lapsing into clichés, and I'd bet that no cliché is more worn out on these occasions than the phrase "standing on the shoulders of giants." Like all such phrases, it was inventive and interesting when Sir Isaac Newton coined it, but centuries later it's overdue for retirement. In one commencement speech I read about, our current Secretary of State managed to use it twice in a single paragraph.

Today, if you are thinking about standing on the shoulders of the past generation, I'd say "Please don't." Of course, I don't mean for a moment that you should not appreciate profoundly the health, wealth, comfort, the great innovations, and the general absence of world conflict which make this age in this nation the luckiest that ever was. After all, "thankfulness" is a pillar of "The Butler Way."

What I mean to suggest is that you take into the world the values written on the locker room wall at Hinkle, which are not much at all like those associated with the Baby Boom. That you live for others, not just yourselves. For fulfillment, not just pleasure and material gain. For tomorrow, and the Americans who will reside there, not just for today. That song I mentioned ends with the refrain, "And don't worry 'bout tomorrow, hey, hey, hey." When it comes on oldies radio, please, tune it out. Do worry 'bout tomorrow, in a way your elders often failed to do.

And please, just to revise another current practice, be judgmental. Whatever they claim, people always are, anyway - consider the healthy stigmatization of racist comments or sexist attitudes or cigarette smoking. It's just a matter of which behaviors enough of us agree to judge as unacceptable.

As free people, we agree to tolerate any conduct that does no harm to others, but we should not be coerced into condoning it. Selfishness and irresponsibility in business, personal finances, or in family life, are deserving of your disapproval. Go ahead and stigmatize them. Too much such behavior will hurt our nation and the future for you and the families you will create.

Honesty about shortcomings is not handwringing. Again, this is a blessed land, in every way. Amidst the worst recession in a long time, we still are wealthier than any society in history. We are safer, from injury, disease, and each other than any humans that ever lived. Best of all, we are free. The problems you now inherit are not those of 1776, or 1861, or 1929, or 1941. But they are large enough, and left unattended, they will devour the wealth and, ultimately, the freedom and safety we cherish, at least in our thankful moments. So you have a chance to be a great Butler class, part of a great generation.

You're thinking, "Don't lay all that on me. My one life's plenty to take care of," and that's true. But if enough of you choose to live responsibly, for others, for tomorrow, the future will remember you that way, when it assesses you as a lump.

You are in fact off to a great start, provided, that is, that you absorbed a bit of the tradition around here. Here's a real, if apocryphal, story we were told at your age. It was said then that Butler recruiters would travel to high schools on the East Coast promising parents "Send your child to Butler and we will send them back the same person you raised."

Surely, if ever actually stated, that was never true. You are a very different person than you were on arrival, certainly wiser and more knowledgeable, which are two different things. I hope you are also more inclined to unity. To humility. To thankfulness. If so, you leave the lot fully loaded, equipped with all the standard features and the factory options, too. You're ready for the road.

And if enough of you drive carefully, and responsibly, one day on this hallowed wood floor some other soon-to-be-forgotten speaker will look back and say, "Oh, 2009. That was a great class. They were part of a great generation. They did it The Butler Way."


I'm a young 20-something on the verge of graduation. Am I right in thinking that the boomers really fucked over my generation? I already have friends with college educations that cannot find jobs.

Very few people on earth can identify with our problems. None of our parents have ever had to face the challenges that we have.

What do you think is in store for our generation? Are we going to overcome it? Or are we going to end up as self-indulged twats like our parents' generation? How did boomers drop the ball?

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Baby Boomers made some good music.

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  • KrunkMcGrunkKrunkMcGrunk Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Probably their only redeeming quality.

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  • BamaBama Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I don't like the jab at divorcees that you highlighted. I think staying together "for the kids" is almost always a terrible fucking idea and it's not that hard to divorce your spouse without abandoning your kids.

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  • SnorkSnork word Jamaica Plain, MARegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    After seeing the thread title, I was expecting the author to be Thanatos.

    I think the current attitude of our generation is leaning towards the 'selfishness' of the baby boomers, but if there's anything that can break us of that it's being punched in the face with reality after college. As the OP says, if you're fresh out of school with a degree and can't find a job, that's probably going to mold you into a more responsible individual.

    EDIT: And yeah, I was also going to say something about 'staying together for the kids'. Divorce sucks a lot, and while I agree that some people take marriage a little too lightly, it's not like there aren't cases where divorce is a better option than staying together. Fault the parents for getting married when maybe they shouldn't have, sure, whatever, but that doesn't mean staying and raising children with someone you can't get along with is a good idea.

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  • KrunkMcGrunkKrunkMcGrunk Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Well, I think Daniels' point was that rather than try and work things out, some couples will automatically think their problems can't be worked out and get a divorce.

    e: Also, this couldn't possibly be a thread by Thanatos, I'm actually agreeing with a rational argument from a republican.

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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    That's a fine speech

    but I don't think the 'greatest generation' was that great. That was the generation that came home from WWII and then did everything in their power to halt civil rights.

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  • YamiNoSenshiYamiNoSenshi A point called Z In the complex planeRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Bama wrote: »
    I don't like the jab at divorcees that you highlighted. I think staying together "for the kids" is almost always a terrible fucking idea and it's not that hard to divorce your spouse without abandoning your kids.

    Staying together "for the kids" is bullshit. Now your kids are growing up in a household that is seething with pent up aggression and hostility and especially if this is in the formative early years, kids are gonna drink that shit like it's double-sugar koolaid. Parents can split up and what not and still both be in the kid's life, as long as both deserve to be (i.e. one of them isn't a raging abusive alcoholic) and the controlling parent isn't a dick. My parents did it, so it can't be impossible.

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  • HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Dammit, Shepard!Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Barack Obama isn't a baby boomer, and only one of his books is about himself.

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  • DmanDman Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Well, I don't know if we can blame the boomers specifically. Other countries without a boomer generation are just as fucked...deteriorating infrastructure, deteriorating environment, dwindling natural resources...people don't generally look to the future, they ask themselves what they can get right now.

    I don't think this behavior is limited to the boomers, it's just that we are only beginning to accept how destructive it is in their wake.

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  • GanluanGanluan Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Based on the wording, I assumed that the divorce bit was a jab at people who have kids and then get divorced as soon as they hit a bump in the road, not anyone who gets divorced with kids period.

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  • KrunkMcGrunkKrunkMcGrunk Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Hachface wrote: »
    Barack Obama isn't a baby boomer, and only one of his books is about himself.

    Well, Daniels is a republican. They have a quota for partisan jabs when making speeches.

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  • SnorkSnork word Jamaica Plain, MARegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Also I don't think there's a group in existence that can claim that 'very few people on Earth can identify with our problems.'

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  • QinguQingu Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I don't think it really makes sense to generalize about an entire generation to the extent that you're heaping specific categories of scorn on them.

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  • KrunkMcGrunkKrunkMcGrunk Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Snork wrote: »
    Also I don't think there's a group in existence that can claim that 'very few people on Earth can identify with our problems.'

    Coming from great wealth, and going into poverty? I feel like the only people who can identify with that were in the Great Depression. Not too many of those folks around anymore.

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  • HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Dammit, Shepard!Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Hachface wrote: »
    Barack Obama isn't a baby boomer, and only one of his books is about himself.

    Well, Daniels is a republican. They have a quota for partisan jabs when making speeches.

    Also the part about the national debt crippling us and our children is nothing but a canard.

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  • KrunkMcGrunkKrunkMcGrunk Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Hachface wrote: »
    Hachface wrote: »
    Barack Obama isn't a baby boomer, and only one of his books is about himself.

    Well, Daniels is a republican. They have a quota for partisan jabs when making speeches.

    Also the part about the national debt crippling us and our children is nothing but a canard.

    I'm reserving judgment if/when it actually happens.

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  • SnorkSnork word Jamaica Plain, MARegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Snork wrote: »
    Also I don't think there's a group in existence that can claim that 'very few people on Earth can identify with our problems.'

    Coming from great wealth, and going into poverty? I feel like the only people who can identify with that were in the Great Depression. Not too many of those folks around anymore.
    I don't really think we've gone into poverty quite yet. I don't think it's gotten nearly bad enough for Hoovervilles to start popping up.

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  • QinguQingu Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Snork wrote: »
    Snork wrote: »
    Also I don't think there's a group in existence that can claim that 'very few people on Earth can identify with our problems.'

    Coming from great wealth, and going into poverty? I feel like the only people who can identify with that were in the Great Depression. Not too many of those folks around anymore.
    I don't really think we've gone into poverty quite yet. I don't think it's gotten nearly bad enough for Hoovervilles to start popping up.
    I'd rather be poor today than be middle-class during teh 50's - 70's.

    Worse food, no internet, all the good music is still available today, plus more...

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  • DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Snork wrote: »
    After seeing the thread title, I was expecting the author to be Thanatos.

    You were not the only one.

    You know what's worse than a Democractic Baby Boomer? A Republican one.

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  • JohnOrangePeelJohnOrangePeel Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Apparently 'Baby Boomer' is Swahili for 'Selfish Cunt'.

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  • PotatoNinjaPotatoNinja Fake Gamer Goat Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Qingu wrote: »
    I don't think it really makes sense to generalize about an entire generation to the extent that you're heaping specific categories of scorn on them.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Snork wrote: »
    After seeing the thread title, I was expecting the author to be Thanatos.

    I think the current attitude of our generation is leaning towards the 'selfishness' of the baby boomers, but if there's anything that can break us of that it's being punched in the face with reality after college. As the OP says, if you're fresh out of school with a degree and can't find a job, that's probably going to mold you into a more responsible individual.

    Except ours is the most charitably politically, and communally active and volunteering generation since our grandparents fought in the second world war two. Even if they doubled the Peace Corps and AmeriCorps people would still be turned away. And that's just crap that can easily be quantified. The number of 20 somethings in soup kitchens or Habitat sites would require more digging than I'd want to perform, but the number is at 'lots.'

    We may feel selfishly entitled to technological marvels getting widespread disbursement in impossibly shortened periods of time, and for newly untested programs &c. to actually work, but it's not like we are truly defined by these wants. Beyond that it's simply responding to realities that other people like to pretend don't exist. The idea that I should be a 'company man' and wait for loyalty to be rewarded is laughable now that company's have stopped being loyal to their employees. I'm not going to suffer the same bullshit my parents went through, and you'd be insane to expect otherwise.

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  • GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
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    Qingu wrote: »
    I don't think it really makes sense to generalize about an entire generation to the extent that you're heaping specific categories of scorn on them.
    Think about that when you go cash your social security check....
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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2009
    Qingu wrote: »
    I don't think it really makes sense to generalize about an entire generation to the extent that you're heaping specific categories of scorn on them.

    Normally I'd agree.

    But the Boomers are uniquely terrible.

    I mean, somewhere there is probably a cowpie lying on some stretch of road that smells quite pleasant. But I feel comfortable in uniformly decrying it as stinky.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I hate all generations equally.

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  • SQUIRREL!SQUIRREL! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    Baby Boomers seem to be as much a victim of American individualism as anything else to me. Whenever I think about the Boomers I think middle-class white folk that vote republican because fuck the poor. They're a greedy, selfish, pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps lot with very little grasp on reality and even less love for their neighbors.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Qingu wrote: »
    I don't think it really makes sense to generalize about an entire generation to the extent that you're heaping specific categories of scorn on them.
    [COLOR]

    They were spendthrifts and wasted numerous opportunities to leave behind a better situation for us than the particularly great setup they inherited. At an individualized level, I'd agree (after all, don't blame me I voted for Kodos &c.), but the broader tapestry is a heaping pile of shit.

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  • DuffelDuffel jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I don't think you can heap this all on the feet of the baby boomers. The WWII/Korea Generation is just as much at fault for what went on in the past three or four decades than the Boomers were, if not more so. You can't really blame the stuff that went on during, for instance, the Reagan years on the boomers any more than you can blame Generation X for what went on during the Bush years.

    Also, "Boomers" is a vast expanse of people spanning more than a decade of drastic social and cultural change. It seems kind of silly to lump the people born in 1945 together with those born in 1959, culturally speaking.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I mean, it's not like this generation has a lack of dumbfucks and Paris Hiltons either.

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I don't know, sometimes it makes more sense to say, "We're in a mess right now. There is a specific generation of people who had a similar cultural upbringing, and a majority of those people were in positions of power to creat this mess. This generation of people sucks."

    EDIT:

    Not that it will excuse this generation if we fail to fix the problem.

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  • JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Sounds like an angry old man saying "Back in the good old days, before them damn hippies!" Baby Boomers did good things along with the bad. Every generation has sucked. This one. The boomers. The "greatest" generation. We are all together in this compost heap.

    I do, however, believe that we have been getting slightly better with time. Each one is trying to be better than the last, and we can make it, if we keep trying.

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  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    moniker wrote: »
    They were spendthrifts and wasted numerous opportunities to leave behind a better situation for us than the particularly great setup they inherited. At an individualized level, I'd agree (after all, don't blame me I voted for Kodos &c.), but the broader tapestry is a heaping pile of shit.

    Call me crazy, but I think that the numerous civil rights movements that the dread Baby Boomers started or heavily contributed to left behind a better situation than the supposedly "particularly great" one they inherited.

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  • DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Lawndart wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    They were spendthrifts and wasted numerous opportunities to leave behind a better situation for us than the particularly great setup they inherited. At an individualized level, I'd agree (after all, don't blame me I voted for Kodos &c.), but the broader tapestry is a heaping pile of shit.

    Call me crazy, but I think that the numerous civil rights movements that the dread Baby Boomers started or heavily contributed to left behind a better situation than the supposedly "particularly great" one they inherited.

    Wouldn't some of the great civil rights movements actually be the responsibility of the so-called "Silent Generation," including MLK in particular?

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  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Archgarth wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    They were spendthrifts and wasted numerous opportunities to leave behind a better situation for us than the particularly great setup they inherited. At an individualized level, I'd agree (after all, don't blame me I voted for Kodos &c.), but the broader tapestry is a heaping pile of shit.

    Call me crazy, but I think that the numerous civil rights movements that the dread Baby Boomers started or heavily contributed to left behind a better situation than the supposedly "particularly great" one they inherited.

    Wouldn't some of the great civil rights movements actually be the responsibility of the so-called "Silent Generation," including MLK in particular?

    Hence "heavily contributed to", since while the leadership of the Civil Rights Movement wasn't of the Baby Boomer generation, a lot of the folks doing the marching were.

    There's also second-wave feminism and the gay rights movement.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Archgarth wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    They were spendthrifts and wasted numerous opportunities to leave behind a better situation for us than the particularly great setup they inherited. At an individualized level, I'd agree (after all, don't blame me I voted for Kodos &c.), but the broader tapestry is a heaping pile of shit.

    Call me crazy, but I think that the numerous civil rights movements that the dread Baby Boomers started or heavily contributed to left behind a better situation than the supposedly "particularly great" one they inherited.

    Wouldn't some of the great civil rights movements actually be the responsibility of the so-called "Silent Generation," including MLK in particular?

    Hence "heavily contributed to", since while the leadership of the Civil Rights Movement wasn't of the Baby Boomer generation, a lot of the folks doing the marching were.

    There's also second-wave feminism and the gay rights movement.

    No, most of those marchers were Silent or Greatest, too. Boomers experienced it. They were the schoolkids that were being integrated. They just weren't the cause of it and don't really deserve credit. You are right with feminism and gay rights, though the latter is largely full of failures until just recently when our generation also started to get active. The Boomers had the 70's, 80's and 90's bleeding into the Aughts.

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  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    moniker wrote: »
    No, most of those marchers were Silent or Greatest, too. Boomers experienced it. They were the schoolkids that were being integrated. They just weren't the cause of it and don't really deserve credit. You are right with feminism and gay rights, though the latter is largely full of failures until just recently when our generation also started to get active. The Boomers had the 70's, 80's and 90's bleeding into the Aughts.

    What, exactly, are the successes of your generation when it comes to gay rights?

    There's also the anti-war movement, the environmentalist movement, the sexual revolution and the free speech movement, all of which the Boomers are responsible for advancing, although obviously not solely.

    And, you know, personal computers. :P

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  • SQUIRREL!SQUIRREL! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    Lawndart wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    No, most of those marchers were Silent or Greatest, too. Boomers experienced it. They were the schoolkids that were being integrated. They just weren't the cause of it and don't really deserve credit. You are right with feminism and gay rights, though the latter is largely full of failures until just recently when our generation also started to get active. The Boomers had the 70's, 80's and 90's bleeding into the Aughts.

    What, exactly, are the successes of your generation when it comes to gay rights?

    There's also the anti-war movement, the environmentalist movement, the sexual revolution and the free speech movement, all of which the Boomers are responsible for advancing, although obviously not solely.

    And, you know, personal computers. :P

    The few overcoming the many, in most of those situations.

    Either way, age and income seem to correlate directly with conservativism.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2009
    Lawndart wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    No, most of those marchers were Silent or Greatest, too. Boomers experienced it. They were the schoolkids that were being integrated. They just weren't the cause of it and don't really deserve credit. You are right with feminism and gay rights, though the latter is largely full of failures until just recently when our generation also started to get active. The Boomers had the 70's, 80's and 90's bleeding into the Aughts.

    What, exactly, are the successes of your generation when it comes to gay rights?

    There's also the anti-war movement, the environmentalist movement, the sexual revolution and the free speech movement, all of which the Boomers are responsible for advancing, although obviously not solely.

    And, you know, personal computers. :P

    Gay rights haven't been hugely successful thus far, legally. But it's finally on the upswing, and it has nothing to do with the Boomers. The Boomers are pretty much the ones we're fighting against to make progress.

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  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    SQUIRREL! wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    No, most of those marchers were Silent or Greatest, too. Boomers experienced it. They were the schoolkids that were being integrated. They just weren't the cause of it and don't really deserve credit. You are right with feminism and gay rights, though the latter is largely full of failures until just recently when our generation also started to get active. The Boomers had the 70's, 80's and 90's bleeding into the Aughts.

    What, exactly, are the successes of your generation when it comes to gay rights?

    There's also the anti-war movement, the environmentalist movement, the sexual revolution and the free speech movement, all of which the Boomers are responsible for advancing, although obviously not solely.

    And, you know, personal computers. :P

    The few overcoming the many, in most of those situations.

    Either way, age and income seem to correlate directly with conservativism.

    If you're going to tar an entire age cohort with the misdeeds of some of the members of that group, you have to praise that entire group for the positive actions of some of that group.

    The majority of any generation is going to oppose social change. Most of the "Greatest Generation" supported racial segregation, for example.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I can guarantee no more than 2 generations from now people are age will be bad mouthing us for not supporting Human/AI marriage rights or something.

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