Look at Thanatos! If you just replace his words with completely unrelated words and construe his statements to mean different things, he's totally racists against Jews!
And if he WAS talking about Israeli politicians, he'd be full of shit too. Throwing around "genocide" and "apartheid" when those AREN'T what is happening makes a mockery of the people who suffered in South Africa, and who are currently suffering in Darfur. The situation the Palestinians are in is NOT okay, but it is also NOT genocide.
A UN human rights investigator has likened Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories to apartheid South Africa and says there should be "serious consideration" over bringing the occupation to the international court of justice.
The report by John Dugard, a South African law professor who is the UN's special rapporteur on human rights in the Palestinian territories, represents some of the most forceful criticism yet of Israel's 40-year occupation.
What the fuck does a South African law professor appointed as a Human Rights Investigator know about apartheid?
Evander, Netanyahu's ridiculous two-state solution adds up to apartheid in everything but name. The way Palestinians are treated now is basically the same.
Netanyahu's plan is never going to see the light of day.
Remember, he is only PM because of coalition building. The highest vote getting party in the elections was the one that was originally formed FOR THE PURPOSE OF dismantling the settlements in the West Bank.
Israeli politics is a complex beast. You can't just look at one thing, and judge the entire situation by it.
You ALSO can't ignore the context of Palestinian terrorism which has been going on since BEFORE Israel controlled those territories.
I didn't realize that terrorism was a magic word that suddenly turned apartheid into an acceptable social construct.
First off, I'm VERY disappointed that you are ignoring Thanatos' post where he clarified that he WAS talking about American Jewish politicians.
Secondly, Israeli Palestinians have FULL rights. This isn't an apartheid situation, it's a refugee situation. Refugees living in the occupied territories are living in conditions that were imposed upon them by Egypt and Jordan in 1948, when they first became refugees. You may say that they should be given full Israeli status and rights, but you're ignoring the fact that THEY DON'T WANT TO BE ISRAELI, THEY WANT THEIR OWN PALESTINIAN STATE.
And if he WAS talking about Israeli politicians, he'd be full of shit too. Throwing around "genocide" and "apartheid" when those AREN'T what is happening makes a mockery of the people who suffered in South Africa, and who are currently suffering in Darfur. The situation the Palestinians are in is NOT okay, but it is also NOT genocide.
A UN human rights investigator has likened Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories to apartheid South Africa and says there should be "serious consideration" over bringing the occupation to the international court of justice.
The report by John Dugard, a South African law professor who is the UN's special rapporteur on human rights in the Palestinian territories, represents some of the most forceful criticism yet of Israel's 40-year occupation.
What the fuck does a South African law professor appointed as a Human Rights Investigator know about apartheid?
Well if he's white, he could be trying to give a few tips. [/off color]
And if he WAS talking about Israeli politicians, he'd be full of shit too. Throwing around "genocide" and "apartheid" when those AREN'T what is happening makes a mockery of the people who suffered in South Africa, and who are currently suffering in Darfur. The situation the Palestinians are in is NOT okay, but it is also NOT genocide.
A UN human rights investigator has likened Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories to apartheid South Africa and says there should be "serious consideration" over bringing the occupation to the international court of justice.
The report by John Dugard, a South African law professor who is the UN's special rapporteur on human rights in the Palestinian territories, represents some of the most forceful criticism yet of Israel's 40-year occupation.
What the fuck does a South African law professor appointed as a Human Rights Investigator know about apartheid?
Should we bring Hamas to the court of justice too?
What court do you bring a group to who continues to fire rockets during a cease fire?
You may say that they should be given full Israeli status and rights, but you're ignoring the fact that THEY DON'T WANT TO BE ISRAELI, THEY WANT THEIR OWN PALESTINIAN STATE.
Someone get me mah tomahawk.
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Evander, Netanyahu's ridiculous two-state solution adds up to apartheid in everything but name. The way Palestinians are treated now is basically the same.
Netanyahu's plan is never going to see the light of day.
Remember, he is only PM because of coalition building. The highest vote getting party in the elections was the one that was originally formed FOR THE PURPOSE OF dismantling the settlements in the West Bank.
Israeli politics is a complex beast. You can't just look at one thing, and judge the entire situation by it.
You ALSO can't ignore the context of Palestinian terrorism which has been going on since BEFORE Israel controlled those territories.
I didn't realize that terrorism was a magic word that suddenly turned apartheid into an acceptable social construct.
First off, I'm VERY disappointed that you are ignoring Thanatos' post where he clarified that he WAS talking about American Jewish politicians.
Secondly, Israeli Palestinians have FULL rights. This isn't an apartheid situation, it's a refugee situation. Refugees living in the occupied territories are living in conditions that were imposed upon them by Egypt and Jordan in 1948, when they first became refugees. You may say that they should be given full Israeli status and rights, but you're ignoring the fact that THEY DON'T WANT TO BE ISRAELI, THEY WANT THEIR OWN PALESTINIAN STATE.
What rights do they have, exactly? Because I don't see them as having any rights, or all that much representation, despite outnumbering the Israeli Jews by quite a bit.
We're not saying they should be given full Israeli status. We're saying PALESTINE AS A WHOLE SHOULD BE GIVEN SOVEREIGNTY AS A COUNTRY.
And if he WAS talking about Israeli politicians, he'd be full of shit too. Throwing around "genocide" and "apartheid" when those AREN'T what is happening makes a mockery of the people who suffered in South Africa, and who are currently suffering in Darfur. The situation the Palestinians are in is NOT okay, but it is also NOT genocide.
A UN human rights investigator has likened Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories to apartheid South Africa and says there should be "serious consideration" over bringing the occupation to the international court of justice.
The report by John Dugard, a South African law professor who is the UN's special rapporteur on human rights in the Palestinian territories, represents some of the most forceful criticism yet of Israel's 40-year occupation.
What the fuck does a South African law professor appointed as a Human Rights Investigator know about apartheid?
Should we bring Hamas to the court of justice too?
What court do you bring a group to who continues to fire rockets during a cease fire?
I mean the BNP actually DOES support the same thing that Yisrael Beitenu supports (deportation)
It's been awhile since the UK was attempting to eliminate a race of people. Not long enough, but still awhile.
If Israel ACTUALLY wanted to eliminate the Palestinians, they'd be dead.
You're making accusations that you can't back up.
In a world of incredibly stupid things you've written, this is maybe the stupidest.
because you KNOW it's right.
All of the things that you accuse Israel of WANTING to do are fully within their power, and yet they don't do them.
Evander, this argument is so preposterous that if it hadn't come from you I'd take it to be satire. You should really stop arguing this one, it is not going to help your cause if people take this seriously and point out what an idiot you're being.
I mean the BNP actually DOES support the same thing that Yisrael Beitenu supports (deportation)
It's been awhile since the UK was attempting to eliminate a race of people. Not long enough, but still awhile.
If Israel ACTUALLY wanted to eliminate the Palestinians, they'd be dead.
You're making accusations that you can't back up.
In a world of incredibly stupid things you've written, this is maybe the stupidest.
because you KNOW it's right.
All of the things that you accuse Israel of WANTING to do are fully within their power, and yet they don't do them.
They are doing them. They're just doing them slowly and steadily, so as to give the world time to get used to the idea.
I mean, if they just nuked the Palestinians, people would complain. If they just keep provoking attacks out of them, though, and killing them slowly through barricades and embargos, that will be just fine.
The racial situation with the "Black" population is not the same as that of the Jewish population.
Not remotely.
You may as well say that the Native Americans and Koreans are on the same footing.
and that makes it okay to hate Jews?
Who here hates Jews?
Thanatos, at best, just hates the Jewish lobby.
But, but, the two are exactly the same m i rite?
Which is, to some extent, exactly what he seems to have been talking about in the first place. Amusing.
Oh, and having a black president is an aberration. They're still underrepresented across the entire power structure, and will be even more so when our next white president gets elected (whether in 4 or 8 years, either way).
And rappers and athletes don't (in general) make broad policy.
And the broad policy that Jews support (in general) is ACTUALLY the same stuff that Thanatos supports.
If we're talking about Jewish politicians, well, then, I'm anti-genocide, they're pro-genocide; I'm anti-apartheid, they're pro-apartheid. Everything else just kinda seems like bullshit in comparison.
I mean, really, how would you feel about a KKK member who was strongly pro-choice, pro-universal health care, in favor of progressive taxation, and supported a more internationalist foreign policy, but just felt that black people should go back to Africa?
Wow, THIS is pretty fuckin offensive
I'm getting the impression that he meant Israeli Jewish politicians, in which case Than is mostly on point.
I'm getting the impression that he meant Israeli Jewish politicians, in which case Than is mostly on point.
No, he was responding to my post about American Jewish politicians.
And if he WAS talking about Israeli politicians, he'd be full of shit too. Throwing around "genocide" and "apartheid" when those AREN'T what is happening makes a mockery of the people who suffered in South Africa, and who are currently suffering in Darfur. The situation the Palestinians are in is NOT okay, but it is also NOT genocide.
I'm absolutely talking about American Jewish politicians, and it's absolutely genocide, it's just genocide in slow fucking motion.
And it's fucking apartheid. I don't care what you say, that's what it fucking is, and I'm sick and tired of pussyfooting around it. Israel is the crazy paranoid schizophrenic of the Middle East, only they have more guns than most paranoid schizophrenics. And I don't even think it's a deliberate sort of genocide on the part of the state of Israel, it's just the natural result of their crazy-cat-lady policies.
Thanatos, ur an idiot who understands nothing about middle east politics. its not apartheid, cuz they have their own state, one that we have been helping them to build for ages now. we gave up autonomy in gaza and gave it to them. and the only reason for the entire "operation cast lead" was that they didnt stop firing rockets at us during a cease fire agreement, they crossed the fucking line there.
If we actually WANTED land, we could take it. If we actually WANTED the Palestinians to be all killed off, we could do that. The fact that every single member of Hamas hasn't been killed is proof, already, that Israel ultimately wants peace. Just too bad that the Arab nations will never accept israel as a jewish state it is. and i wish there was ,but there is no one on the other side to talk to about peace.
P.S.
to who ever said i ran away: i didnt i was busy doing some thing more important then this fruitless debate .
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Okay, seriously, type English properly. That's going to drive me insane.
Second, they don't have autonomy, because Israel has them blockaded. It's hard to claim sovereignty when you have to smuggle in all of your basic supplies.
I don't think I've ever known a pro-Palestinian Jewish politician. If I did, I imagine they would never have gotten into office. They certainly aren't going to get the support of the American Jewish population.
I'm getting the impression that he meant Israeli Jewish politicians, in which case Than is mostly on point.
No, he was responding to my post about American Jewish politicians.
And if he WAS talking about Israeli politicians, he'd be full of shit too. Throwing around "genocide" and "apartheid" when those AREN'T what is happening makes a mockery of the people who suffered in South Africa, and who are currently suffering in Darfur. The situation the Palestinians are in is NOT okay, but it is also NOT genocide.
I'm absolutely talking about American Jewish politicians, and it's absolutely genocide, it's just genocide in slow fucking motion.
And it's fucking apartheid. I don't care what you say, that's what it fucking is, and I'm sick and tired of pussyfooting around it. Israel is the crazy paranoid schizophrenic of the Middle East, only they have more guns than most paranoid schizophrenics. And I don't even think it's a deliberate sort of genocide on the part of the state of Israel, it's just the natural result of their crazy-cat-lady policies.
Thanatos, ur an idiot who understands nothing about middle east politics. its not apartheid, cuz they have their own state, one that we have been helping them to build for ages now. we gave up autonomy in gaza and gave it to them. and the only reason for the entire "operation cast lead" was that they didnt stop firing rockets at us during a cease fire agreement, they crossed the fucking line there.
If we actually WANTED land, we could take it. If we actually WANTED the Palestinians to be all killed off, we could do that. The fact that every single member of Hamas hasn't been killed is proof, already, that Israel ultimately wants peace. Just too bad that the Arab nations will never accept israel as a jewish state it is. and i wish there was ,but there is no one on the other side to talk to about peace.
P.S.
to who ever said i ran away: i didnt i was busy doing some thing more important then this fruitless debate .
I think your initial intention to leave this forum and never come back was a great idea, you should re consider.
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He's not saying "pro-Israel", he's saying "Jewish".
How is THAT not considered racism?
He's obviously generalizing American Jewish Politicians as being pro-Israel. Is it true? No, there are possibly some who probably decry the Palestinian situation. Name names and you would be more convincing. But you're dodging his point about those who do support Israeli policies.
I'm getting the impression that he meant Israeli Jewish politicians, in which case Than is mostly on point.
No, he was responding to my post about American Jewish politicians.
And if he WAS talking about Israeli politicians, he'd be full of shit too. Throwing around "genocide" and "apartheid" when those AREN'T what is happening makes a mockery of the people who suffered in South Africa, and who are currently suffering in Darfur. The situation the Palestinians are in is NOT okay, but it is also NOT genocide.
I'm absolutely talking about American Jewish politicians, and it's absolutely genocide, it's just genocide in slow fucking motion.
And it's fucking apartheid. I don't care what you say, that's what it fucking is, and I'm sick and tired of pussyfooting around it. Israel is the crazy paranoid schizophrenic of the Middle East, only they have more guns than most paranoid schizophrenics. And I don't even think it's a deliberate sort of genocide on the part of the state of Israel, it's just the natural result of their crazy-cat-lady policies.
Thanatos, ur an idiot who understands nothing about middle east politics. its not apartheid, cuz they have their own state, one that we have been helping them to build for ages now. we gave up autonomy in gaza and gave it to them. and the only reason for the entire "operation cast lead" was that they didnt stop firing rockets at us during a cease fire agreement, they crossed the fucking line there.
If we actually WANTED land, we could take it. If we actually WANTED the Palestinians to be all killed off, we could do that. The fact that every single member of Hamas hasn't been killed is proof, already, that Israel ultimately wants peace. Just too bad that the Arab nations will never accept israel as a jewish state it is. and i wish there was ,but there is no one on the other side to talk to about peace.
How can Gaza be its own state when Israel controls its land, its borders, its roads, its people, its water, and its trade? And Israel is taking land from Palestine. Have you not heard of the wall, or the ever-expanding settlements? And Israel is killing off the Palestinians, they're just taking their time about it.
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If Israel ACTUALLY wanted to eliminate the Palestinians, they'd be dead.
You're making accusations that you can't back up.
If the rest of the world did not exist.
First off, I'm VERY disappointed that you are ignoring Thanatos' post where he clarified that he WAS talking about American Jewish politicians.
Secondly, Israeli Palestinians have FULL rights. This isn't an apartheid situation, it's a refugee situation. Refugees living in the occupied territories are living in conditions that were imposed upon them by Egypt and Jordan in 1948, when they first became refugees. You may say that they should be given full Israeli status and rights, but you're ignoring the fact that THEY DON'T WANT TO BE ISRAELI, THEY WANT THEIR OWN PALESTINIAN STATE.
Should we bring Hamas to the court of justice too?
What court do you bring a group to who continues to fire rockets during a cease fire?
Someone get me mah tomahawk.
What rights do they have, exactly? Because I don't see them as having any rights, or all that much representation, despite outnumbering the Israeli Jews by quite a bit.
We're not saying they should be given full Israeli status. We're saying PALESTINE AS A WHOLE SHOULD BE GIVEN SOVEREIGNTY AS A COUNTRY.
Oh man, I would make this my sig if I hadn't changed it 10 minutes ago.
because you KNOW it's right.
All of the things that you accuse Israel of WANTING to do are fully within their power, and yet they don't do them.
Israel has nukes.
If North Korea or China are any example, the rest of the world doesn't matter.
Evander, this argument is so preposterous that if it hadn't come from you I'd take it to be satire. You should really stop arguing this one, it is not going to help your cause if people take this seriously and point out what an idiot you're being.
US has more nukes.
And yet.
Having nukes keeps other countries from overthrowing you, and that's about it.
I mean, if they just nuked the Palestinians, people would complain. If they just keep provoking attacks out of them, though, and killing them slowly through barricades and embargos, that will be just fine.
lol, are you now equating Israel with North Korea? Whats even going on here?
Are you going to say anything Mask, or is making blanket statements about Jews okay?
Thanatos, ur an idiot who understands nothing about middle east politics. its not apartheid, cuz they have their own state, one that we have been helping them to build for ages now. we gave up autonomy in gaza and gave it to them. and the only reason for the entire "operation cast lead" was that they didnt stop firing rockets at us during a cease fire agreement, they crossed the fucking line there.
If we actually WANTED land, we could take it. If we actually WANTED the Palestinians to be all killed off, we could do that. The fact that every single member of Hamas hasn't been killed is proof, already, that Israel ultimately wants peace. Just too bad that the Arab nations will never accept israel as a jewish state it is. and i wish there was ,but there is no one on the other side to talk to about peace.
P.S.
to who ever said i ran away: i didnt i was busy doing some thing more important then this fruitless debate .
Are you saying that all Jews are American Jewish Politicians?
Evander is attempting to execute a masterpiece of performance art in order to prove Thanatos' point once and for all.
It's almost brilliant. I'm gonna get some snacks.
How is this statement okay to ANYONE in here?
He's not saying "pro-Israel", he's saying "Jewish".
How is THAT not considered racism?
You're ruining it by making this observation in this thread.
Please stop typing ironically.
Second, they don't have autonomy, because Israel has them blockaded. It's hard to claim sovereignty when you have to smuggle in all of your basic supplies.
Politicians.
Nice.
I think your initial intention to leave this forum and never come back was a great idea, you should re consider.
that word makes it not racist?
so folks can freely generalize black politicians, or muslim politicians?
This is actually the real truth behind the Holocaust. Notice the surviving Jews. :P
You could accuse the Palestinians of doing the same to the Israelis.