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Retarded family vs Asbestos
Amigu
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Ok my step dad just came in and said he's going to scrape the paint off the asbestos on the front porch of our house and repaint it himself.
I said that he should get professionals to do it but he “Doesn’t want to pay the moneyâ€. I told him that fucking professionals charge so much because it’s a pro job and the stuff is super dangerous. He’s not listening. I called my mum and she talked to him and let it go through pretty much because “He seems set on doing it†and she can’t do anything atm because she’s in another city.
He has masks that say “For asbestos removal†and a sort of throw away suit. It just rained and he’ll water down the area once he’s done. Is that the right gear and procedure?
Am I overreacting? I mean the stuff is highly dangerous.
There’s no reason to do the job anyway and if he wants it done I think not endangering the family and letting pros do it would be worth the money.
I’ve told my brother not to go anywhere near the porch and stay out of the living room (which is adjacent to the porch). Anything else I should do?
I said that he should get professionals to do it but he “Doesn’t want to pay the moneyâ€. I told him that fucking professionals charge so much because it’s a pro job and the stuff is super dangerous. He’s not listening. I called my mum and she talked to him and let it go through pretty much because “He seems set on doing it†and she can’t do anything atm because she’s in another city.
He has masks that say “For asbestos removal†and a sort of throw away suit. It just rained and he’ll water down the area once he’s done. Is that the right gear and procedure?
Am I overreacting? I mean the stuff is highly dangerous.
There’s no reason to do the job anyway and if he wants it done I think not endangering the family and letting pros do it would be worth the money.
I’ve told my brother not to go anywhere near the porch and stay out of the living room (which is adjacent to the porch). Anything else I should do?
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One topic I do know really well is lung scarring. My father ruined his lungs with pesticides, he has it bad. Scar tissue on lungs never goes away, you have permanently damaged lungs. I really suggest not letting your dad do this. Sure it seems like people are always overreacting about chemicals and such but it only takes one time, as my father found out (we told him not to spray above his head), to hurt yourself so bad you have to be on O2 the rest of your life. He seems to have aged about 10 years in the last 3.
If you really don't want to bother and he's deadset in going through with it, try soaking the roof beforehand to ensure at least the small airborne pieces are weighed down enough so they don't float around. That's me just applying logic to the situation I have no idea if that will actually work and really I recomend getting in the profesionals.
Also point out to him it doesn't take much at all to kill him.
EDIT: on the throw away suit, that needs to be marked for asbestos use also. Really most removalists now days have full face masks.
Also in terms of protecting your brother I'd also tape up the entry ways and windows on the porch with masking tape and then vaccuum serval times once finsihed while still wearing the equipment.
Satans..... hints.....
He's so dead set on doing it, I really don't give a flying fuck whether his lungs collapse or scar or whatever. He'd totally deserve it.
I'm just wondering what me and my brother should do. Is staying away from the area for a few days enough? If he repaints it and the paint drys will it be safe again?
How long will it take for the stuff to be taken away by the wind?
If scraping off the paint and repainting it is endangering our household I'd consider calling the cops but it's a big step and I don't want to do it if he's only endangering himself.
http://intl-ajrcmb.atsjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/16/4/479
Heres one, you don't have to understand it all but just get the gist of the articles and show your dad.
Just saw your last post. I don't know what scrapping it would do. Just keep away I guess. Maybe call the professionals and ask them about it. They could tell you over the phone if you need to keep away.
Hm that's a good idea I'll do that now (hope they're still at work) and post what they said here, just incase you guys find yourself in a similar situation sometime (ie have an idiot running your houshold...).
Anyway. It's recommended that you don't vacuum an area where you think asbestos would be - it makes the particles airborne. It would be a good idea, I think, to limit the methods the asbestos (if it exists on the porch) can get into the livingroom. Make sure the windows are securely shut, that your father's not wearing the same shoes in the house that he did on the porch, and I'd try to get him to change his clothes in an entryway or something, if he can.
Man, that sucks. I know exactly how you feel (even about the same subject, though different family member!)
And maybe sell their house to an emo.
He also said he thinks "It's probably not the best idea". Understatement of the year.
He hosed it down and had a shower after doing the job. So I guess that's pretty much the end of this little episode. I should probably go and find his shoes and clothes put them in a plastic bag.
Anyway words can't describe how much respect I've lost for the guy.
Doing this in an environment with kids sickens me. I actually work with the asbestos inspectors for our city. I wish to hell this were happening here, because i could have them at your location within a couple of hours.
I don't know enough personally to talk about the direct risk from what you describe. I would make sure to bag and avoid any clothes items & tools (especially brushes) present on the job.
A homeowner who scrapes a patch and repaints it once in 10 years isn't at nearly the same level of risk.
If it was outside, you don't have to worry about it getting inside; any outside wind will carry away any friable fibers and make them essentially meaningless. If your step-dad wetted down the area well, he likely captured 80 to 90% of the asbestos fibers, if not more, and it sounds like he took enough precautions to safely do a one-time job.
We had linoleum floors in our new old house and we were very worried about the pad underneath containing asbestos, and we also had popcorn ceilings that I wanted to take down which can also contain asbestos, so my wife and I did a lot of research into asbestos removal and containment, as well as potential health risks. Yes, it's dangerous, but the level of risk is so low for a one time exposure that it's really not a problem.
My dad works in construction and he essentially said the same thing -- if you're constantly exposed, you're in major problems. Extremely occasional exposure is a) inevitable and b) not really a problem. If he just started hacking at it, he may have reduced lung capacity in 40 years. It would be extremely unlikely that he would develop lung cancer or a serious disease from even that sort of one-time exposure. You guys should be fine if he wetted it down and disposed of it wet.
I have slate asbestos tiles on the outside of a house I just bought. Both inspectors I have had look at it have told me the same thing that EggyToast just mentioned. Be careful when removing it but it's not a deal-breaker.