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I Want an Axolotl

TopiaTopia Registered User regular
edited July 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
OH HAI

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I want to own one of these. I live in [Edmonton], Alberta, Canada. I have searched fairly thoroughly and can't find a place to buy one. I want only the best quality Axolotl. Price shouldn't be too big of a problem since the most expensive I've seen is like 150 each, but can't get it shipped here. Can any of you geniuses help me? I will let you suggest a name.

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  • TrillianTrillian Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Where are you in Alberta?
    Hit up a pet shop in the US of A and they will probably have them.
    They are not banned in Idaho, and some digging could probably find one.
    Try the independent pet stores and see if they could even order you one.
    Happy hunting!

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  • TopiaTopia Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    edited op, Edmonton.

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  • TrillianTrillian Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Oh, sucks! Right in the middle then.
    If you're willing to make the drive (eep!) to Washington or Idaho a pet store near the border would probably be able to order you in an axolotl. Make a trek down and pick him up and name him Hendrix because he gills look like dreadlocks.

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  • NightDragonNightDragon 6th Grade Username Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Would you be allowed to take an axolotl across the border? Would you need some kind of documentation?

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  • TopiaTopia Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Would you be allowed to take an axolotl across the border? Would you need some kind of documentation?

    That's precisely the types of question I am looking for answers too. Also, shipping of them?

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  • NightDragonNightDragon 6th Grade Username Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Well, according to this site, in red, at the bottom...
    Axolotls are on the CITES endangered species list. Axolotls can only be ship to a USA address. Also Axolotls can not be ship to the State of California and New Jersey.

    I've found the CITIES listing. It says that "specimens to be imported into Canada must be accompanied by: a CITES export permit issued by the exporting country."

    Looks like if you can't find one in Canada, that's the end of the road.

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  • TopiaTopia Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Well, according to this site, in red, at the bottom...
    Axolotls are on the CITES endangered species list. Axolotls can only be ship to a USA address. Also Axolotls can not be ship to the State of California and New Jersey.

    I've found the CITIES listing. It says that "specimens to be imported into Canada must be accompanied by: a CITES export permit issued by the exporting country."

    Looks like if you can't find one in Canada, that's the end of the road.

    Ugh, thanks, thats definitely not what I wanted to read.

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  • TrillianTrillian Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    You can get a CITES permit, it's not even that difficult. I haven't had to do it myself ... yet ... but that day will come (I keep phelsumas spp. geckos and may move to the US one day).
    Importing can be done. It takes some legal wrangling and paperwork, but it is entirely possible. The permits may not even apply since you are not importing wild caught animals on a large scale for profit. If you are intent on getting one call Fish and Wildlife to see about getting a permit. They are the experts. They are also the friendliest branch of the U.S. government I have ever dealt with! They really do seem to like helping you.

    http://www.cites.org/eng/resources/species.html

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  • TopiaTopia Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Trillian wrote: »
    You can get a CITES permit, it's not even that difficult. I haven't had to do it myself ... yet ... but that day will come (I keep phelsumas spp. geckos and may move to the US one day).
    Importing can be done. It takes some legal wrangling and paperwork, but it is entirely possible. The permits may not even apply since you are not importing wild caught animals on a large scale for profit. If you are intent on getting one call Fish and Wildlife to see about getting a permit. They are the experts. They are also the friendliest branch of the U.S. government I have ever dealt with! They really do seem to like helping you.

    http://www.cites.org/eng/resources/species.html

    Does getting a CITES permit cost money? And I am now going to start sending off emails to appropriate online stores to see if they can ship to me if I have the permit. Thanks.

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  • TrillianTrillian Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Topia wrote: »
    Trillian wrote: »
    You can get a CITES permit, it's not even that difficult. I haven't had to do it myself ... yet ... but that day will come (I keep phelsumas spp. geckos and may move to the US one day).
    Importing can be done. It takes some legal wrangling and paperwork, but it is entirely possible. The permits may not even apply since you are not importing wild caught animals on a large scale for profit. If you are intent on getting one call Fish and Wildlife to see about getting a permit. They are the experts. They are also the friendliest branch of the U.S. government I have ever dealt with! They really do seem to like helping you.

    http://www.cites.org/eng/resources/species.html

    Does getting a CITES permit cost money? And I am now going to start sending off emails to appropriate online stores to see if they can ship to me if I have the permit. Thanks.

    Call a U.S. Fish and Wildlife office. You can find a number online. They are extremely pleasant to deal with and will tell you everything you need to know. The instructions I have found for getting a CITES permit are confusing at best and entirely geared towards a mass commercial importer. Give F&W a buzz tomorrow before 4 pm and they will help you out. If you want, call the fellows at the Blaine Wa. post. They are usually very eager to have someone to talk to.

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  • TetsugenTetsugen Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Ah Axolotls, I had two a few years back but they kept eating gravel until their gullets exploded.

    Anyways, you can check with the reptile club online, I remember there was a man breeding them on Vancouver island and he would go to all the spring and fall shows selling them. Also good luck on getting a cities permit for a 50 dollar pet, they usually only give them to zoos and actually cost an arm and a leg.

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I thought that was a cg creature or something at first.

    Man, mother nature is CRAZY!

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  • EliminationElimination Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Tetsugen wrote: »
    Ah Axolotls, I had two a few years back but they kept eating gravel until their gullets exploded.

    Anyways, you can check with the reptile club online, I remember there was a man breeding them on Vancouver island and he would go to all the spring and fall shows selling them. Also good luck on getting a cities permit for a 50 dollar pet, they usually only give them to zoos and actually cost an arm and a leg.

    I live on Vancouver Island, i've heard of this guy too. I could look into it.

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  • TopiaTopia Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Tetsugen wrote: »
    Ah Axolotls, I had two a few years back but they kept eating gravel until their gullets exploded.

    Anyways, you can check with the reptile club online, I remember there was a man breeding them on Vancouver island and he would go to all the spring and fall shows selling them. Also good luck on getting a cities permit for a 50 dollar pet, they usually only give them to zoos and actually cost an arm and a leg.

    I live on Vancouver Island, i've heard of this guy too. I could look into it.

    Man if you could do that I would love you. If you can PM me I can give you my email address and whatnot incase you find info about him.

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  • EliminationElimination Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Topia wrote: »
    Tetsugen wrote: »
    Ah Axolotls, I had two a few years back but they kept eating gravel until their gullets exploded.

    Anyways, you can check with the reptile club online, I remember there was a man breeding them on Vancouver island and he would go to all the spring and fall shows selling them. Also good luck on getting a cities permit for a 50 dollar pet, they usually only give them to zoos and actually cost an arm and a leg.

    I live on Vancouver Island, i've heard of this guy too. I could look into it.

    Man if you could do that I would love you. If you can PM me I can give you my email address and whatnot incase you find info about him.

    Will do, im not making any guarantee's, last time i saw this guy was at a festival thing and that was a year and a half ago/ 2 years so i dont know if hes still doing it.

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  • firewaterwordfirewaterword Satchitananda Pais Vasco to San FranciscoRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I keep clicking on this thread just to see that picture - if you get one, you must take photos.

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  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    If the Axolotl is tricky enough to keep that you need a permit, I'd think twice about getting one. Are you experienced in keeping fish/reptiles in tanks? Many exotic animals are very hard to keep and die quickly if they are not kept in exactly the right way.

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  • GrennGrenn Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    If the Axolotl is tricky enough to keep that you need a permit, I'd think twice about getting one. Are you experienced in keeping fish/reptiles in tanks? Many exotic animals are very hard to keep and die quickly if they are not kept in exactly the right way.

    They don't require a permit becuase they're tricky to care for, they require a permit to export into Canada because they're endangered.

    Axolotl's are bizzarre and interesting creatures - we had quite a few when I worked in a pet shop years ago. They can regenerate limbs and other organs!

    Good luck in finding one.

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  • IloveslimesIloveslimes Everett, WARegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    In the wild, Axolotls are very endangered, but I thought most you find in pet stores are captive bred. And I would not recommend Idaho for getting one. I spent most of my first 23 years in northern Idaho and I can't think of a worthwhile pet shop. There are a few in Spokane, but still none that specialize in reptiles and amphibians. Definitely look into the Vancouver dude. Good luck.

    While Axolotls are cool. I think I prefer newts, just as entertaining and less fragile.

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  • TrillianTrillian Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    In the wild, Axolotls are very endangered, but I thought most you find in pet stores are captive bred. And I would not recommend Idaho for getting one. I spent most of my first 23 years in northern Idaho and I can't think of a worthwhile pet shop. There are a few in Spokane, but still none that specialize in reptiles and amphibians. Definitely look into the Vancouver dude. Good luck.

    While Axolotls are cool. I think I prefer newts, just as entertaining and less fragile.

    How about in Eugene?? :D
    Long time no see, man!

    www.kingsnake.com has them in the classifieds in Canada.

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  • TopiaTopia Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    If the Axolotl is tricky enough to keep that you need a permit, I'd think twice about getting one. Are you experienced in keeping fish/reptiles in tanks? Many exotic animals are very hard to keep and die quickly if they are not kept in exactly the right way.

    They actually don't require too much care, I've done a lot of looking. And I have about 15 different species of fish in my backyard pond, I'm fairly experienced. The most important thing is keeping water levels at the appropriate pH, and not changing dirty water too rapidly in order to not shock the creature.

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  • exoplasmexoplasm Gainfully Employed Near Blizzard HQRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Well, according to this site, in red, at the bottom...
    Axolotls are on the CITES endangered species list. Axolotls can only be ship to a USA address. Also Axolotls can not be ship to the State of California and New Jersey.

    Wait, what? When did this happen? When I was a kid I had a tank full of these guys. They were called waterdogs (or at least that is what I was told). They all died rather quickly, though. :( They are hard to care for if you're just a kid I guess.

    Are they still available in CA, but just can't be shipped here?

    Also, coolest water pet ever.

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  • TopiaTopia Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    exoplasm wrote: »
    Well, according to this site, in red, at the bottom...
    Axolotls are on the CITES endangered species list. Axolotls can only be ship to a USA address. Also Axolotls can not be ship to the State of California and New Jersey.

    Wait, what? When did this happen? When I was a kid I had a tank full of these guys. They were called waterdogs (or at least that is what I was told). They all died rather quickly, though. :( They are hard to care for if you're just a kid I guess.

    Are they still available in CA, but just can't be shipped here?

    Also, coolest water pet ever.

    What you had were Tiger Salamanders in their larval stage, if they were water dogs.

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  • PlutoniumPlutonium Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    My university has an Axolotl lab, and my professor mentioned that they were bred from a colony at Indiana University and the University of Kentucky. You can't get them for personal pets or non-educational purposes, but their website had a list of alternative suppliers and breeders here.

    I personally plan to get a transgenic Axolotl by any means necessary at some point in the future, even if I have to do the transformations myself, and break California's stupid law against transgenic pets.

    One of the breeders on that list sells albino ones that express green fluorescent protein, so they glow green in sunlight or under UV light.

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  • exoplasmexoplasm Gainfully Employed Near Blizzard HQRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I'm pretty sure what I had were Axolotls as they looked just like the OP pic, except they were all gray in color. I could be wrong, though.

    Edit: Okay maybe you were right, I had no idea!
    Wikipedia wrote:
    The larvae are entirely aquatic, and are characterized by large external gills and a prominent caudal fin that originates just behind the head. Limbs are fully developed within a short time of hatching.

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  • IloveslimesIloveslimes Everett, WARegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Trillian wrote: »
    In the wild, Axolotls are very endangered, but I thought most you find in pet stores are captive bred. And I would not recommend Idaho for getting one. I spent most of my first 23 years in northern Idaho and I can't think of a worthwhile pet shop. There are a few in Spokane, but still none that specialize in reptiles and amphibians. Definitely look into the Vancouver dude. Good luck.

    While Axolotls are cool. I think I prefer newts, just as entertaining and less fragile.

    How about in Eugene?? :D
    Long time no see, man!

    www.kingsnake.com has them in the classifieds in Canada.

    Hey,
    I'm actually in Japan now. Somewhat on topic, I found a pet shop with a couple of axolotls (one albino and one natural colored) in Ogaki. They are somewhat popular pets here.

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  • Ash of YewAsh of Yew Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I had one when I was a kid and it seemed pretty easy to care for. At first we had it in an aquarium and later transfered it to a sort of small pond type thing. We pretty much would just give it little balls of raw hamburger meat, or bugs or whatever. I'm not really recommending that, maybe its bad for them or something but ours was fine. Point being they didn't seem terribly hard to care for.


    I live in Hawaii too, which has some pretty strict laws for pets. I haven't seen them here again since, though I haven't actively looked but I'm guessing if you can get them in Hawaii they can't be all that terribly hard to find.

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