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Wherein surviving a zombie apocalypse is discussed in a frank manner. *REANIMATED OP*
"Securing" a Superstore would be a hell of a job I think. You've got a least 2 big ass doorways up front that would take a long time to barricade. Plus a fair amount of windows up front and through out the store. Plus any smaller access doors on the sides and back of the building. I think even if you had a dozen people it would still take you a day or so to get everything. And if you have to keep other survivors out as well as zombies, which you do, it gets a lot harder.
I think the most likely situation is that the first few hundred people to get to the walmart go crazy and eventually block everything off. With that many people you probably get a few infected who haven't turned yet as well, so there is potential for an outbreak. If that doesn't happen then I think either pissed off looters break through the barricades and let the Z's in, or the people inside come into conflict and start killing each other.
True indeed. It would probably be really nice, until some desperate person drives their truck through the front door.
Or you get some sort of wacky cult situation ala THE MIST. I'd think being around as few other people as possible would be the safe choice in this situation.
Although the police would be a good group to be with during the post-shock. They are going to be on the front lines from the get-go and the majority of their forces will probably be killed or turned before the general populous or even the higher-ups in the police force know what's going on.
If you're town is lucky enough to not be involved in the initial shock, and the police have time to get a handle on the situation and prepare. AKA -- knowing to barricade buildings, shooting them in the head, etc. Then the Police could be a good option. Of course you still have to consider that tons of people will be fleeing to the police en masse and they could easily be overwhelmed by panic before the zombies even reach your town.
I know that the largest city in our area has a decently sized football stadium that is protected on all sides by walls, stadium bleachers (made out of brick and are about 40' tall on the backs) and double (sometimes triple) layered chain-link fences. This could be a possible hold-out location with the height of the stadium seats providing great firing positions and over-view of the general area. Also, the entire back of the school property consisting of the stadium and the main student parking lot is surrounded by a chain-link fence.
If I had to live off Mountain House and MREs for a year I'd probably welcome death. :P
There is a generator with a more than ample supply of fuel for it (natural gas well with 100 years + left of typical gas use) so you could bring your PSP and always have it charged.
If I had to live off Mountain House and MREs for a year I'd probably welcome death. :P
There is a generator with a more than ample supply of fuel for it (natural gas well with 100 years + left of typical gas use) so you could bring your PSP and always have it charged.
All these posts about what so-and-so would do in case of a zombie outbreak reminds me of a story:
I was with my wife at a party, and the topic turned to what people would do if society utterly broke down. Someone (I think it was her cousin's boyfriend) went into great detail about how if things turned for the worse, he would go here and raid the food supply, and hide his family here, take this back road, and how he knew of an isolated cabin located upstate with well water and firewood and a shortwave radio, with a farm nearby for food and stocked with hunting riles/shotguns with ammunition, etc. Basically, he had everything planned out to survive for years in case of a meltdown.
When he was done speaking, my Uncle-in-law spoke up, and said his plan was to find & murder this cousin's boyfriend, and basically steal his survival plan. After all, the boyfriend did all the heavy thinking, planning and preparing: All that's left is to put it into action.
Moral #1: Loose Lips Sink Ships.
And Yes, I do have a Zombie plan. Actually, I have several plans for Zombies (slow and fast, swimming and non-swimming), Vampires, Aliens, Cthulhu Elder Gods and/or any combination of the above. However, I’m not sharing them here in case someone is devious enough to decide that my plan is good...too good. Plus, most of my plans call for the slaughtering of my friends/neighbors as step one. That's the kind of thing I don't want my neighbors thinking about as I take out the trash in the mornings.
Moral #2: If a Zombie outbreak occurs, it's going to turn into every man/family for himself in a hurry, especially when you consider that a majority of cities don't have a standing food supply. Even what should be cohesive units (police forces, armed forces, etc.) will break down once they realize that legal/moral authority is now kaput. And most people will become panicky, vicious bastards if the situation is right.
I haven't really fleshed it out yet, but I think my main goal would be to find and rig up some sort of massive, reliable zombie-slaughtering weapon. Something that, like, whether there was one or one-hundred zombies that showe dup at my door, I could be like, "boy! crank up ol' Bessie!" and then just walk out there and start cutting them all down.
Yeah, that's really well thought out.
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Element BrianPeanut Butter ShillRegistered Userregular
edited July 2009
I think a long reach chain saw like this would work pretty well.
You got all the lethality of a chain saw, but with the saftey of distance to avoid any chance of them biting your hand or something.
Though of course, this would probably only work against a few. It would probably be ahrd and dangerous to run with, and if any of them closed the gap, your probably screwed.
I think a long reach chain saw like this would work pretty well.
You got all the lethality of a chain saw, but with the saftey of distance to avoid any chance of them biting your hand or something.
Though of course, this would probably only work against a few. It would probably be ahrd and dangerous to run with, and if any of them closed the gap, your probably screwed.
I don't see those having the oomph to actually cut down zeds. You'd basically just have to stand there and hold it to the neck until it cut its way in several seconds later. They're also horribly balanced for use as a weapon, and require an external fuel source. Oh, and they make a shitload of noise.
Fixed. Baseball bats are great for bludgeoning, but if you really want it dead for good, a sharp shovel-ized piece of metal is your tool - just jab/thrust at the forehead, expect grisly results!
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Tiger BurningDig if you will, the pictureRegistered User, SolidSaints Tuberegular
Fixed. Baseball bats are great for bludgeoning, but if you really want it dead for good, a sharp shovel-ized piece of metal is your tool - just jab/thrust at the forehead, expect grisly results!
Two problems with the lobo; blades get stuck, and you've got to do sufficient damage to destroy the brain through the skull to actually accomplish anything, which is no small feat. They also lack the knockdown power of a baseball bat, and in my mental image of them (I don't know that I've ever seen an "official" depiction) they lack a little of it's reach as well.
Blunt trauma to the head is more than sufficient to cause unconsciousness/shock and brain damage in the living, I don't see any reason to suspect it wouldn't have a similar effect on the dead.
Britain has it much harder without guns, only the thugs and scum ar egonna fare well since they're all packing secret guns. Could you imagine if those gangs managed to sieze control of facilities? Jesus.
When it comes to melee combat it seems like your best bet is to rush in, knock them down, and deliver a swift blow to the head while they're on the ground. A sledgehammer would work though it might get heavy after awhile. Watching zombie movies it seems like if I was clearing a house I'd like to move quick and try to keep up momentum and adrenaline rather than slowly trying to creep around until a zombie jumps you. Of course I'll never know for sure until I'm put in that kind of situation.
If I had to live off Mountain House and MREs for a year I'd probably welcome death. :P
Honestly, you get used to them, and your tolerances for bad food go waaaaaaaaay up. I've lived off MRE's for a couple months, and now I can eat pretty much anything. Modern MRE's are actually pretty good. Just make sure you don't let anyone know you got the one with the Jalapeno spread. That stuff's the best.
I think a cruise ship might be nice, provided you could find one. Just move the ship a little off shore or destroy the gangplank and you'll have a luxurious and presumably well-stocked fortress that nobody else can access.
"Securing" a Superstore would be a hell of a job I think. You've got a least 2 big ass doorways up front that would take a long time to barricade. Plus a fair amount of windows up front and through out the store. Plus any smaller access doors on the sides and back of the building. I think even if you had a dozen people it would still take you a day or so to get everything. And if you have to keep other survivors out as well as zombies, which you do, it gets a lot harder.
I think the most likely situation is that the first few hundred people to get to the walmart go crazy and eventually block everything off. With that many people you probably get a few infected who haven't turned yet as well, so there is potential for an outbreak. If that doesn't happen then I think either pissed off looters break through the barricades and let the Z's in, or the people inside come into conflict and start killing each other.
True indeed. It would probably be really nice, until some desperate person drives their truck through the front door.
Or you get some sort of wacky cult situation ala THE MIST. I'd think being around as few other people as possible would be the safe choice in this situation.
In that scenario youre fucked, there were too many people willing to buy into the rain of fire shtick against 4-5 who weren't. So if you get in there or most important if youre first in, youd have to be brutal with someone doing that because as things worsen they will gain followers.
You need people you can trust to, people who wont let the captives out because the hot chick flashes some flesh, Any fuck ups and youre all likely to die, you'd have to be completely ruthless and capable of maintaining power.
Good thing about taking over a shopping mall, you can sleep in the stores and have metal shutters to protect you from harm. Set up or spike into the current cctv and youre capable of keeping a watchful eye while maintaining security. Id only pick a store with large enough exit or vent to make a necessary retreat.
I think personally holding conventional religious services and discussion with an emphasis on the non-crazy parts of the Bible would probably be the best way to head-off a cult-type situation. In the Mist, they turned to that psycho because she was the only one offering any solutions and hope. If you can offer a saner alternate source for those things early on, then you might make it.
I think personally holding conventional religious services and discussion with an emphasis on the non-crazy parts of the Bible would probably be the best way to head-off a cult-type situation. In the Mist, they turned to that psycho because she was the only one offering any solutions and hope. If you can offer a saner alternate source for those things early on, then you might make it.
Yeah but they were under constant assault and losing people on a regular basis. After that spider thing Id take to god to just for him to protect me from any more fucking spiders.
Over the long term if you were being kept safe it SHOULD be less likely but you will still get some who want to leave and thus form a group to go with assuring them the army or something will save the day. Honestly if I could properly fortify the mall I'd never want to leave, even if the army was functioning its a choice between my kingdom or theirs.
"Securing" a Superstore would be a hell of a job I think. You've got a least 2 big ass doorways up front that would take a long time to barricade. Plus a fair amount of windows up front and through out the store. Plus any smaller access doors on the sides and back of the building. I think even if you had a dozen people it would still take you a day or so to get everything. And if you have to keep other survivors out as well as zombies, which you do, it gets a lot harder.
I think the most likely situation is that the first few hundred people to get to the walmart go crazy and eventually block everything off. With that many people you probably get a few infected who haven't turned yet as well, so there is potential for an outbreak. If that doesn't happen then I think either pissed off looters break through the barricades and let the Z's in, or the people inside come into conflict and start killing each other.
Again, the doors are not on the street level (one floor up, parking garage underneath, no elevators).
Barricades wouldn't be a problem, we have tons of useless displays and dividing walls and whatnot.
1)Load up the car with supplies and drive an hour north to the farm I inherited from my grandparents. I always keep at least a quarter tank of gas in the car for this purpose. There is a large fish pond, cattle, and several wells. Plus most neighbors are friendly and/or relatives. Unfortunately, the farm is on the other side of a metro area, so if I am unable to make there due to zombies or rioting...
2)Hole up in place. I have two weeks of food/water stored in a closet. If I add in what's in the fridge/pantry I could probably stretch that to a month. I also have several have-a-heart traps + bait which can supplement my rations with squirrel/chipmunks/possums/birds.
While I am unable to knock the stairs out, I have planned a way to seal off the stairway with plywood and a couple of bookshelves. There is a gently sloping roof that I can access to cook on with a propane stove or escape across if need be.
I have several firearms plus a decent spear to defend myself or hunt with.
3)If worse comes to worst, there is a river within a couple miles of my house which I will try to float down towards safer areas.
Fixed. Baseball bats are great for bludgeoning, but if you really want it dead for good, a sharp shovel-ized piece of metal is your tool - just jab/thrust at the forehead, expect grisly results!
Two problems with the lobo; blades get stuck, and you've got to do sufficient damage to destroy the brain through the skull to actually accomplish anything, which is no small feat. They also lack the knockdown power of a baseball bat, and in my mental image of them (I don't know that I've ever seen an "official" depiction) they lack a little of it's reach as well.
Blunt trauma to the head is more than sufficient to cause unconsciousness/shock and brain damage in the living, I don't see any reason to suspect it wouldn't have a similar effect on the dead.
Neeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrdsssssssssss
Also, I've found two fantastic hiding places smack dab in the middle of Boston: City Hall and the Government Service Center. Look at this shit
Fixed. Baseball bats are great for bludgeoning, but if you really want it dead for good, a sharp shovel-ized piece of metal is your tool - just jab/thrust at the forehead, expect grisly results!
Two problems with the lobo; blades get stuck, and you've got to do sufficient damage to destroy the brain through the skull to actually accomplish anything, which is no small feat. They also lack the knockdown power of a baseball bat, and in my mental image of them (I don't know that I've ever seen an "official" depiction) they lack a little of it's reach as well.
Blunt trauma to the head is more than sufficient to cause unconsciousness/shock and brain damage in the living, I don't see any reason to suspect it wouldn't have a similar effect on the dead.
Neeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrdsssssssssss
Also, I've found two fantastic hiding places smack dab in the middle of Boston: City Hall and the Government Service Center. Look at this shit
That second one looks like a screenshot from F.E.A.R. or some shit.
In the event of zombies I plan on eating my neighbors.
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SirUltimosDon't talk, Rusty. Just paint.Registered Userregular
edited July 2009
I would die as soon as possible. the zombies would take me down. And then I wouldn't even make a very good zombie and would be killed off soon after or get stuck in a basement or something.
I always worry about the logistics afterwards. How are you going to grow crops, get clean water with no zombie fluids/flesh in it? Is there a way to be sustainable without 20 acres?
I always worry about the logistics afterwards. How are you going to grow crops, get clean water with no zombie fluids/flesh in it? Is there a way to be sustainable without 20 acres?
You'd probably have to boil water to make sure it was potable. But... damn... could whatever made the dead rise leach into the earth and poison plants? I don't mean ZOMBIE HOSTAS!, but, like, could it potentially make crops less than edible?
If a virus like solanum made zombies, would their hunger simply be a mechanism for transferring the virus rather than a from grumbly stomach?
When it comes to melee combat it seems like your best bet is to rush in, knock them down, and deliver a swift blow to the head while they're on the ground. A sledgehammer would work though it might get heavy after awhile. Watching zombie movies it seems like if I was clearing a house I'd like to move quick and try to keep up momentum and adrenaline rather than slowly trying to creep around until a zombie jumps you. Of course I'll never know for sure until I'm put in that kind of situation.
Sledges are heavy, slow, awkward to maneuver and hard to recover quickly if you miss the first time.
You're almost better off with an axehandle, provided you can generate sufficient force with it to crack skulls. Which is honestly something anyone who played little league should be able to do.
Come to think of it, an aluminum baseball bat seems perfect; light, durable, more than capable of bringing the brain pain.
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Or you get some sort of wacky cult situation ala THE MIST. I'd think being around as few other people as possible would be the safe choice in this situation.
That is 3 full meals a day plus sides for one person, for one year.
Imagine how far you could stretch it if you rationed it.
Also:
MREs - http://www.thereadystore.com/food-storage/mre-food-storage/1-year-mre-supply
2400 Calorie Food supplements - http://www.thereadystore.com/food-storage/food-bars-and-supplements/mainstay-2400-calorie-food-bars-case-of-30
72-hour 4-person survival kit - http://www.thereadystore.com/emergency-kits/72-hour-kits/deluxe-family-72-hour-kit-4-person
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If you're town is lucky enough to not be involved in the initial shock, and the police have time to get a handle on the situation and prepare. AKA -- knowing to barricade buildings, shooting them in the head, etc. Then the Police could be a good option. Of course you still have to consider that tons of people will be fleeing to the police en masse and they could easily be overwhelmed by panic before the zombies even reach your town.
I know that the largest city in our area has a decently sized football stadium that is protected on all sides by walls, stadium bleachers (made out of brick and are about 40' tall on the backs) and double (sometimes triple) layered chain-link fences. This could be a possible hold-out location with the height of the stadium seats providing great firing positions and over-view of the general area. Also, the entire back of the school property consisting of the stadium and the main student parking lot is surrounded by a chain-link fence.
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There is a generator with a more than ample supply of fuel for it (natural gas well with 100 years + left of typical gas use) so you could bring your PSP and always have it charged.
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Dead pixels.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I was with my wife at a party, and the topic turned to what people would do if society utterly broke down. Someone (I think it was her cousin's boyfriend) went into great detail about how if things turned for the worse, he would go here and raid the food supply, and hide his family here, take this back road, and how he knew of an isolated cabin located upstate with well water and firewood and a shortwave radio, with a farm nearby for food and stocked with hunting riles/shotguns with ammunition, etc. Basically, he had everything planned out to survive for years in case of a meltdown.
When he was done speaking, my Uncle-in-law spoke up, and said his plan was to find & murder this cousin's boyfriend, and basically steal his survival plan. After all, the boyfriend did all the heavy thinking, planning and preparing: All that's left is to put it into action.
Moral #1: Loose Lips Sink Ships.
And Yes, I do have a Zombie plan. Actually, I have several plans for Zombies (slow and fast, swimming and non-swimming), Vampires, Aliens, Cthulhu Elder Gods and/or any combination of the above. However, I’m not sharing them here in case someone is devious enough to decide that my plan is good...too good. Plus, most of my plans call for the slaughtering of my friends/neighbors as step one. That's the kind of thing I don't want my neighbors thinking about as I take out the trash in the mornings.
Moral #2: If a Zombie outbreak occurs, it's going to turn into every man/family for himself in a hurry, especially when you consider that a majority of cities don't have a standing food supply. Even what should be cohesive units (police forces, armed forces, etc.) will break down once they realize that legal/moral authority is now kaput. And most people will become panicky, vicious bastards if the situation is right.
TAAAAAAAAAANK!
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Which is why it's a bad idea to post specific locations, travel plans, etc. General ideas that can be adapted anywhere are fine though.
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Well, in defense -- that can be a damper on any occasion.
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Pssssh. Sasquaches aren't real.
On a side note, would zombies specifically eat only humans, or would they hunger for all living creatures great and small?
Dawn of the Dead zombie: Human meat please, extra brains.
World War Z zombie: I'll take the smorgasboard platter, please.
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Yeah, that's really well thought out.
You got all the lethality of a chain saw, but with the saftey of distance to avoid any chance of them biting your hand or something.
Though of course, this would probably only work against a few. It would probably be ahrd and dangerous to run with, and if any of them closed the gap, your probably screwed.
Arch,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_goGR39m2k
Give me a slugger any day.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Blunt trauma to the head is more than sufficient to cause unconsciousness/shock and brain damage in the living, I don't see any reason to suspect it wouldn't have a similar effect on the dead.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Honestly, you get used to them, and your tolerances for bad food go waaaaaaaaay up. I've lived off MRE's for a couple months, and now I can eat pretty much anything. Modern MRE's are actually pretty good. Just make sure you don't let anyone know you got the one with the Jalapeno spread. That stuff's the best.
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My zombie survival plan?
In that scenario youre fucked, there were too many people willing to buy into the rain of fire shtick against 4-5 who weren't. So if you get in there or most important if youre first in, youd have to be brutal with someone doing that because as things worsen they will gain followers.
Freak-outs would be a huge problem and any newcomers would have to be screened for quite awhile before they'd be considered safe.
Good thing about taking over a shopping mall, you can sleep in the stores and have metal shutters to protect you from harm. Set up or spike into the current cctv and youre capable of keeping a watchful eye while maintaining security. Id only pick a store with large enough exit or vent to make a necessary retreat.
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Yeah but they were under constant assault and losing people on a regular basis. After that spider thing Id take to god to just for him to protect me from any more fucking spiders.
Over the long term if you were being kept safe it SHOULD be less likely but you will still get some who want to leave and thus form a group to go with assuring them the army or something will save the day. Honestly if I could properly fortify the mall I'd never want to leave, even if the army was functioning its a choice between my kingdom or theirs.
Again, the doors are not on the street level (one floor up, parking garage underneath, no elevators).
Barricades wouldn't be a problem, we have tons of useless displays and dividing walls and whatnot.
1)Load up the car with supplies and drive an hour north to the farm I inherited from my grandparents. I always keep at least a quarter tank of gas in the car for this purpose. There is a large fish pond, cattle, and several wells. Plus most neighbors are friendly and/or relatives. Unfortunately, the farm is on the other side of a metro area, so if I am unable to make there due to zombies or rioting...
2)Hole up in place. I have two weeks of food/water stored in a closet. If I add in what's in the fridge/pantry I could probably stretch that to a month. I also have several have-a-heart traps + bait which can supplement my rations with squirrel/chipmunks/possums/birds.
While I am unable to knock the stairs out, I have planned a way to seal off the stairway with plywood and a couple of bookshelves. There is a gently sloping roof that I can access to cook on with a propane stove or escape across if need be.
I have several firearms plus a decent spear to defend myself or hunt with.
3)If worse comes to worst, there is a river within a couple miles of my house which I will try to float down towards safer areas.
Neeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrdsssssssssss
Also, I've found two fantastic hiding places smack dab in the middle of Boston: City Hall and the Government Service Center. Look at this shit
That second one looks like a screenshot from F.E.A.R. or some shit.
You'd probably have to boil water to make sure it was potable. But... damn... could whatever made the dead rise leach into the earth and poison plants? I don't mean ZOMBIE HOSTAS!, but, like, could it potentially make crops less than edible?
If a virus like solanum made zombies, would their hunger simply be a mechanism for transferring the virus rather than a from grumbly stomach?
You're almost better off with an axehandle, provided you can generate sufficient force with it to crack skulls. Which is honestly something anyone who played little league should be able to do.
Come to think of it, an aluminum baseball bat seems perfect; light, durable, more than capable of bringing the brain pain.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.