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So I think I live next to drug dealers
THEPAIN73
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I have been living next door to these two guys (one bedroom section of the apartments) and they have people coming to see them at all times through the day and night.
Constantly.
With each new person comes a weird type of knock. They enter and they leave. I have even seen fist fights outside my door (heard commotion looked through hole in door, saw people fighting.)
As I walk past their apartment to my apartment daily, I smell a scent I only smell at music concerts. The smell of marijuana.
Now I am not saying I am Mr. Perfect, though I haven't smoked drugs or even cigs but I do drink, but the behavior is just awful, and I live here with my girlfriend and I would hate if she were home alone when these people were fighting or worse.
So my question is, who do I talk to about this while remaining anonymous? The police? The apartment people?
Constantly.
With each new person comes a weird type of knock. They enter and they leave. I have even seen fist fights outside my door (heard commotion looked through hole in door, saw people fighting.)
As I walk past their apartment to my apartment daily, I smell a scent I only smell at music concerts. The smell of marijuana.
Now I am not saying I am Mr. Perfect, though I haven't smoked drugs or even cigs but I do drink, but the behavior is just awful, and I live here with my girlfriend and I would hate if she were home alone when these people were fighting or worse.
So my question is, who do I talk to about this while remaining anonymous? The police? The apartment people?
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Make sure you emphasis that you can smell marijuana in the hallway.
It depends. Are your apartment managers discreet and helpful? If you're not sure, don't approach them.
If you're worried the apartment managers would drop your name or some other clue as to who you are I'd go to the police (either in person or anonymously over the phone) and tell them what you've seen and heard.
I lived in a rented house in a very nice area and it turns out the guy renting the attached above garage apartment was dealing. I was home alone one day when I heard "I'm going to kill you!" from the attached garage, scuffling and then nothing. I was peeking out windows when I saw cops stalking around my house with shot guns.
I went upstairs and tried to get as far away from all of this as I could just in case they started shooting. I was stuck in the house for hours while armed cops stalked around the property. I guess when they found my neighbor he had been in a physical fight with a “friend” and was waving a gun around right outside the house and threatening to kill himself. They eventually talked him down, but still…
If your GF is alone and she hears anything alarming have her call the police. It's better safe than sorry.
However, if your neighbors can tell that you're dealing, you deserve to have the cops called on you. Fistfights in the hallway? Jesus. The guy next door just sounds like bad news all around. Call, anonymously.
*edit* Call the cops, that is.
As far as the visitors go, you really don't have any evidence about why they are there, and there's no crime except fighting.
It wouldn't hurt to call the police, but in my experience they've done nothing beyond a quick checkout of the apartment building (quick meaning an hour or two after I call them).
Do you know these supposed drug dealers at all? Are they serious business or just nickle and dime pot dealers? Do you care that they are dealing or just that it poses a danger to you and your girlfriend?
Chances are they don't want fist fights outside their door, too much attention. They also probably don't like people coming through like that. They may also not give two shits.
If you talk to them first, not in a direct manner of course, and nothing comes of it, you're gonna wanna call the police. However, if you do and something comes of it, they'll probably assume you made the call. Not a good living situation especially if they are serious business. Calling the police might not actually get anything done though. Your call would go to the tune of "Hi, yeah I smell weed a lot and there are a lot of people around my building. I don't know if they're dealing but I think they are." All that is, is a lead to a supposed pot dealer, maybe it's not the highest priority of the police at the moment or maybe they don't want to go through the trouble of actually busting them.
I don't mean to sound all wire style paranoid, but dealing with a lot of unknowns is never good.
Many communities, in the horrific "war on drugs" have specific anonymous tip lines, even.
Call the police, put in a tip.
All of the above, plus not having drug wars happen in the hallway or a rival dealer showing up to fuck yo' punk ass up fo' steppin' on mah turf?
If there's one thing police love, it's busting dealers - even "nickle and dime" pot dealers, and making them look like Pablo Escobar. Justifying the War on Drugs, and all.
Start snitchin' son, anonymous tip line. Hell, some of them even pay reward money. :P
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Most likely if they are found dealing or holding w/ intent to sell by the cops, regardless of what happens to them legally the landlord will at least kick them out.
I can't imagine any landlord who gets a call from the cops and finds out one of their residents is dealing drugs from your apartment complex and then NOT kick their asses out.
To be quite honest are you in a "bad" part of town?
Hahaha, you make a good point. I guess it depends on where you're from. In Canada, they probably won't give a shit. In New York, they probably won't give a shit. I'm just saying, figure out what you want to get done first and then act.
This too is a good point, if the guys just wants them out, probably a decent way to go is to deal with the land lord and through him the cops.
Before I would go to the police I would go to the management and find out of there are any cops living in the apartment complex. Usually landlords get a couple cops to stay in their apartments by reducing their rates and they are known as community officers or some such. Contact the mgmt and if they do have one or two of these cops get them to pay the dealers a visit. The cops will probably make no arrests however if they can find probable cause the landlord will guaranteed evict the dealers.
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And I can tell you from personal experience that I have always known which one of my neighboors didn't approve of my lifestyle. So while you may call the police and say you wish to remain anonymous, you are not anonymous. These are some sketchy unreasonable people you probably don't want in your life plotting against you.
I'm not saying you shouldn't phone to police. Just realize that you are relying on them to do something they may not care to do.
If it's noise and odor, I would recommend you just try to ignore with it. That's part of being a renter. If you fear for your safety, you can get a dog, or keep a bat in the house, or think about relocating.
I'd go the land lord route. He will have alot more motivation to get these guys under control than to police will, and if he doesn't, you really need to reevaluate your living situation. I've had to move to get away from drug people at least twice.
Lame.
Please tell me you're not so stoned that you can't differentiate between a peaceful user (Hell, even a peaceful dealer) and a den-of-iniquity that results in fist fights in the hallway...
I don't believe these dealers would be allowed to return to their rented place right away (hell, they will probably be evicted on top of everything) nor will they be able to narrow it down to who called. I don't know about you guys, but there are plenty of people living in my apartment complex that could hear loud noises coming from my place.
Dealers are not people you want next door. They're also not people whose business you want to get involved in. I'd consider calling the police from work or something sometime, when it's less likely that your neighbor will assume it was you who did it.
Cops are supposed to do alot of things. So are teachers, doctors, lawyers, people who sign lease agreements saying no drugs on the premisis, etc. Yet I have been let down by each of these groups in the past.
If there is crime about, I think it's generally a good idea to contact the police. However, you have to be realistic about your expectations. If they respond, there may not be much they can do. They may have other priorities, there precinct may be soft on drugs, they may be lazy, who knows.
I'm always careful to offer advise on things I have first hand knowledge about, like dealing with sketchy drug people for example. In this situation I advise to OP to tell his land lord, or GTFO. Just because someone should be punished doesn't mean they will. And it is always a good policy to mind your own business.
This is exactly what we're talking about. Cops are "supposed" to deal with this crap but they are not paragons of good. They're people. Hell, a friend of mine got busted buying a dub because the dealer and the NYPD had a deal whereby the dealer can deal and the cops occasionally can make a bust to catch a big fish. People should view the cops as a last measure rather then a first.
Yeah, if a person were a robot, they would think its anyone. But one wrong look from this guy to a dealer will make the dealer think twice about him. Then if the cops show, who's he gonna think called them.
The law isn't black and white. Cops just cant run into your house because some schmuck says "They'sa doin' bad things" They realistically might not care at all. All theyre gonna hear is someone is smoking a little dope and a noise complaint. Also, evicting someone is not the easiest process and it won't happen over night.
Dude. Your friend should have called 911.
Yeah, because the incredibly huge guys who just beat a man to within an inch of his life, and would probably break the second they heard a squad car pulling up, and who know where he lives AND KNOW EXACTLY WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN THE PERSON WHO CALLED THE COPS wouldn't ever, ever be a threat later on, since they'd probably get out of the building before the cops got there.
that would be every hallway in an apartment complex in my hometown.
Does the OP know for a fact that the fight is connected to the neighbors? I dunno about you, but I've had plenty of friends who had people over at odd hours for regular Halo and LAN parties, and if there was drinking and smoking going on then I can see how it would look like shady business. Just knock on the door and say you're just giving them the heads up that the hallway smells like ganja and they might want to tone it down. Regardless of what gangster movies portray, people selling drugs out of their home are not going to want to cause a gigantic disturbance that leads to police involvement. They are not connected to organized crime, and there is not a safe house available to them in which to plot revenge on the society that rejected them.
Calling the cops wouldn't do much, since you don't have any evidence they could use to get a warrant. You'd have to lie, which can land you in serious hot water.
The neighbour on the other side of the problem apartment apparently reported it to the police. Police came, made an arrest, all seemed good.
Luckily my sons friend wasn't home around 6 weeks later, when a magazine from a SMG was emptied through the door of the apartments on either side of the problem apartment at 4am. Just something to consider.
You're right, buying a shotgun and planning to go Rambo if something goes down is much better and would have a much better result.
Seriously, the reason dealers are a big problem in many areas is because people ignore it and don't call the cops and the cops either don't know or don't have tips to act on in order to do anything. In most neighborhoods there are so many people they aren't going to know who called the cops unless you confront them first, then they'll know exactly who had the problem.
I would probably move if I lived near a busted drug dealer. That sure as shit is grounds to break a lease and it would be worth the hassle of moving.
That seems excessive without any background information. For example, what sort of drug dealing was going on. Or how little stuff you own.
But you gotta figure most 'drug dealers' are either teens trying to be cool, or just selling to support their own habit.
That's the thing, do you want to gamble and think that the drug dealer will say "There are so many people, I can't figure out who did it, so I guess I just won't care." Let's say the guy is Hell's Angels and he's got a lot of friends. What happens then? You don't know so I wouldn't do something like calling the police; an action that can have a bunch of ridiculous unintended consequences.
Drug dealers are not a problem because citizens are not informing the police of who they are. They're a problem because they're willing to kill over money. Police aren't stupid. In a small neighborhood, they know who's dealing. In a larger city it's harder but they're less likely to care about smaller dealers. It's one thing if you happen to catch a guy dealing dope, but to launch an investigation into it is probably not worth their time.
The OP hasn't yet given any information other than "There's the smell of weed, loud noises, and once a fist fight." We don't really know if this guy is dealing at all. He could just have a bunch of retarded drunk friends. Honestly, I don't know a single drug dealer that would put up with that crap in their own building. It's just bad for business.
Not all drug dealers are "kids trying to be cool." A lot of them are gang members or gang connected and part of a large, organized crime group. They're not people you want to piss off; this is why we have witness protection programs.
That's funny because in my work with narcotic and gang units what is cited as one of the biggest blocks to stopping these crimes is that people somehow never see anything and if nothing is ever seen or reported then there is nothing to be acted on. They usually do go after that one guy dealing dope, because they want his supplier and then they want the supplier's supplier and so on. At least that's what my friend who works with the DEA does.
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