Different PSP Models

AnteCantelopeAnteCantelope Registered User regular
edited July 2009 in Games and Technology
I'm looking at getting a PSP in the immediate future, but last time I started looking there were about three different models. Now, I can figure out which one is meant to be the best by their prices, but I was wondering if people generally feel the better models are worth the extra cash. Also, I'd never buy, say, a 360 preowned. Is there much risk like that in buying a preowned PSP? A preowned lite is nearly half the price of a new 3000, which I think is a pretty good deal, assuming that PSPs are tough enough to withstand whatever previous owner they have.

Thanks.

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  • GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    If you're at all interested in homebrew (either for the applications it brings or because you can dump your UMDs onto memory sticks and get both better load times and battery life, plus the comfort of not needing to carry them around) I'd recommend a Lite. The 3000 has only been cracked on a prototype stage.
    No idea how well the things age (my release Lite is still fine), I'd say as long as nothing is mechanically broken a used one should work just fine.

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  • RuddurBallRuddurBall Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I got a launch day PSP and I have had zero problems with mine.

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  • SeruleSerule Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    There are three different PSP models: 1000, 2000, 3000. Each is an 'upgrade' and replaces the one before it.

    The 1000 series:

    This is the launch series; it's the original PSP.

    From Wikipedia:

    The 2000 series:

    The redesigned PSP is 33% lighter and 19% thinner than the original PSP. The redesign also features composite TV output, supports charging via USB, double the onboard RAM (32 MB to 64 MB), and has a brighter screen. It also caches UMD data in memory to decrease game loading times.

    The 3000 series:

    The PSP-3000 features an improved LCD screen, a built-in microphone, oval shaped start and select buttons and an expanded video-out. The LCD screen features a higher contrast ratio, shorter response time, and wider color gamut, as well as anti-reflective technology for improved visibility in well-lit environments. Expanded video-out capability allows gameplay video to be output in interlaced format.

    A few differences Wikipedia doesn't mention:

    The 3000 series is harder to crack,
    An extended life battery is available that increases the battery life of a 1000 by 20% but a 2000/3000 by almost 100%,
    Some don't like the 3000 screen because it has visible horizontal lines.

    Also, a fourth model will be out soon (The PSP Go). It has NO UMD drive (only plays downloaded game), and it is significantly smaller and lighter. It does NOT replace the 3000, which will still be offered.

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  • AnteCantelopeAnteCantelope Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I saw some info about the PSP Go, but don't really like the look of it, so I'll just ignore that I think.

    I don't intend to use homebrew, and if I ever decide to it'll probably be far enough into the future that any model will have been cracked, so I don't think that's a big deal.

    It sounds like the 3000 has a significantly better screen, and anti-reflective would be good when playing in sunlight, so I guess I'll go for that.

    It's good to know that old ones tend to be reliable, so I can at least consider buying a preowned one.

    Thanks for all the help guys.

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  • solsovlysolsovly Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I would definitely go with the 2000. Dumping UMDs is extremely convenient. On my last trip, I was able to carry around my entire collection in a small case. It loads faster and saves battery. Probably not an issue if you plan to mostly play it at home though.

    You can still get new 2000's if you get the right bundle. If you are in the US, keep an eye out on some deal sites. I was able to pick up my PSP for 25% off of retail with some coupons.

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  • greeblegreeble Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    The thing is that some of the newer psp-2000s are just as hard to crack as the psp-3000. I would get the 3000 but make sure to not upgrade the firmware. (You might want to stay away from newer psn game downloads like Holy invasion of privacy Badman, since they require the newest firmware.)

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  • MoioinkMoioink Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Short of stabbing the screen or dropping it from a decent height the PSP is unlikely to break on you. It has some moving parts obviously with the UMD drive but it's a sturdy little machine.

    I will also second a 2000 purchase for CFW even if you never touch homebrew. The convenience of having several (or dozens with a bigger stick) games booting off a memory stick with HUGELY improved loading times (sometimes as much as 5 times faster than UMD) and better battery life puts the Portable in PSP.

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  • NorfairNorfair Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I love my 2000, but if you're completely uninterested in CFW, the 3000 should be fine.

    The one thing I have against the 1000 is that the stock D-pad is completely terrible, and needs to be modded for better control. It does seem to be more sturdily built than the later models, though. The 2000 has a great D-pad (well, as good as Sony's weird, segmented D-pad can be, anyway :P ), and I think the 3000 has that D-pad, too.

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  • mere_immortalmere_immortal So tasty!Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Love my 1000 phat, bought it a few weeks back. Its a bit heavier and thicker, but also feels much more sturdy and mine has survied falls from my bag onto concrete already.

    Its also the easiest to flash, and when loaded with homebrew stuff its a fantastic handheld.

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  • MorinokoMorinoko Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    An extended life battery is available that increases the battery life of a 1000 by 20% but a 2000/3000 by almost 100%,

    I have a 2000, which battery should i pick? Is there an "official" Sony one?

    How about prices, what range should i aim for in battery pack?

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  • SeruleSerule Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Morinoko wrote: »
    An extended life battery is available that increases the battery life of a 1000 by 20% but a 2000/3000 by almost 100%,

    I have a 2000, which battery should i pick? Is there an "official" Sony one?

    How about prices, what range should i aim for in battery pack?


    Here's the official Sony one (I have this one). It costs $40. Note that it's bigger than the regular 2000 battery, so you have to replace your battery door with a bulgier one. The kit comes with a silver door and a black door, so if your PSP is a different color you're going to have some mismatch going on. (My red PSP now has a silver battery door).

    http://www.amazon.com/PSP-Battery-Kit-Sony/dp/B00101UWWY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1248459192&sr=8-1

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I agree that CFW is great even if you just wanna play regular disk games. UMDs are a pox and must be eliminated. dumping your games to the stick and playing them from there is a hell lot better in any measurable and unmeasurable way.

    But buying a new PSP 2000 that's easily crackable is hard, so you should compare the screens live (to see if the whole "horizontal lines" thing in the 3000 bothers you) and get whichever one has the prettier screen.

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  • MorinokoMorinoko Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Thanks for the info, Serule, i will check it.

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  • DusT_HounDDusT_HounD Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Much as i like the idea of UMDs (as in, i'd probably be the only person who actually thinks they're cool), i agree that they're a pain in the ass- generally i keep my PSP games on memstick as well. Battery life thanks me. I have a 2000, with CFW, and the ability to do stuff like change the clockspeed also makes a big difference with games like Outrun 2006, so the non-UMD thing isn't the only capability that gets added.

    Kudos to the restraint of all involved, where nobody has yet tried to convince OP that 'PSP has no gaem, get DS instead- better RPGs and everything! etc.'

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  • corky842corky842 Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Avoid the third-party batteries. Remember the exploding laptops a couple years back? Those were caused by cheap batteries.

    Keeping an old firmware version will prevent you from accessing the PSN store at all, so you don't really have to worry about that.

    Get as big of a memory stick as you can. I think even the 16GB ones are affordable now. Again, stay away from the cheap knock-offs (and ebay) if you want good performance.

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  • MoioinkMoioink Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Finding an extended battery that isn't a bootleg is frustratingly difficult. :(

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  • AnteCantelopeAnteCantelope Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I was thinking that homebrew wasn't much of a selling point for me, but the idea of carrying all my games around on one stick is pretty good, I wouldn't mind that. I don't think I can get a new 2000 here, at least not easily, so if I were buying a preowned 2000 is there any way to ensure it doesn't have the new firmware on it? It's the new firmware that prevents cracking it, right?

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  • VoroVoro Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    No, it's the motherboard in all 3000s and newer 2000s that prevents custom firmware. Basically, if you try to flash a version with that board, then it will brick. And those versions also can't use a pandora's battery to unbrick.

    As for firmware, just make sure you aren't above 5.03. I got CFW on my 1000 without a pandora's battery thanks to that.

    Also, memory sticks: I highly recommend a Photofast with two microSDHCs in it. Cheapest way to have high capacity.

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  • AnteCantelopeAnteCantelope Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Slightly different line of questions: what sort of videos can PSPs play? I was trying to find on Wikipedia and the playstation site, and they don't seem to mention the actual codecs. And is that the same for all models?

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  • mastriusmastrius Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    ....Whats ..."cracking"?

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  • MorinokoMorinoko Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    AnteCantelope: the codecs that have worked for me are:

    MPEG-4
    Video
    Resolution: 368x209 (Also: 320 x 240)
    Frame rate: 29.97fps
    Bitrate: 900kbps
    Encoder: Xvid (Also: H264)

    Audio
    Sample Rate: 44100 hz
    Channel: 2 channels
    Bit Rate: 64kbps
    Encoder: AAC


    Anyone has good results with other settings?

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  • AnteCantelopeAnteCantelope Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I've got a lot of .avis, does anyone know if that works? I saw that firmware updates can allow extra codecs to be played, so I imagine that there would be more than one or two, right?

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  • FoomyFoomy Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I've got a lot of .avis, does anyone know if that works? I saw that firmware updates can allow extra codecs to be played, so I imagine that there would be more than one or two, right?

    your going to want(and I think have to) to convert the size of the video anyway, and the software that does that will convert it to a codec that the psp can play anyway. I used to use pspvideo something, but that was a long time ago, haven't used my psp for video in a while.

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  • corky842corky842 Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Moioink wrote: »
    Finding an extended battery that isn't a bootleg is frustratingly difficult. :(

    Have you looked in an actual store or just online? I found mine at Kmart.

    Use Handbrake for video conversion. there's a preset for psp videos. You could use the default settings, or you could up the resolution to the PSP's native res (480x272). I haven't noticed much of a size difference between the mpeg and the h.264 video codecs (but h.264 takes about twice as long to transcode).

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  • firekiunfirekiun Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Word of advice when you buy memory card, DO NOT buying memory stick duo pro, buy a cheap Memory stick Duo Pro adaptor for MicroSD, usually it allow 2-3 Micro SD cards, then buy 3 4GB Micro SD cards (depend on your need). You will save a lot of money, and stop supporting Sony's weird hobby of using non-standard storage medium.

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  • GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    There are versions that take 3? Can you link to some, just so I've a name reference to go by?

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  • greeblegreeble Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    firekiun wrote: »
    Word of advice when you buy memory card, DO NOT buying memory stick duo pro, buy a cheap Memory stick Duo Pro adaptor for MicroSD, usually it allow 2-3 Micro SD cards, then buy 3 4GB Micro SD cards (depend on your need). You will save a lot of money, and stop supporting Sony's weird hobby of using non-standard storage medium.

    How much slower are the micro SD cards? This sounds like a good idea, but if they are significantly slower its not worth it imo.

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    mastrius wrote: »
    ....Whats ..."cracking"?

    It's the installation of a custom (fan-made) firmware (the Operating System that runs the PSP). That allows you to rip your games from the slow, battery-eating UMD to your Memory Stick, which is a great thing.

    It also allows you to run homebrew software like fan made games and many other Apps, utilities, custom new interfaces for the PSP, it lets you overclock the CPU, a hell lot of things.
    Slightly different line of questions: what sort of videos can PSPs play? I was trying to find on Wikipedia and the playstation site, and they don't seem to mention the actual codecs. And is that the same for all models?

    There are many simple video converting programs for the PSP, so you can play pretty much any videos as long as you convert it once

    And there is a homebrew program that lets you use youtube on the PSP (with a wifi connection, of course), and many other video sites (about 70% of them dedicated to pr0n).

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  • ChewyWafflesChewyWaffles Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Basically Sony should get its shit together and put some decent codec support on the PSP.

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  • MoioinkMoioink Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    corky842 wrote: »
    Moioink wrote: »
    Finding an extended battery that isn't a bootleg is frustratingly difficult. :(

    Have you looked in an actual store or just online? I found mine at Kmart.

    I've never seen one in person (UK) and all the ones online are knock offs.

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  • FoomyFoomy Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Basically Sony should get its shit together and put some decent codec support on the PSP.

    it's not that it doesn't support any good codecs, I know it does h.264, and mpeg, I think xvid as well now. it's that the vidoes themselves need to be at a max of 768kbs, 480x272 at most, and have an odd naming scheme. All video files and thumbnails need to be stored in a folder called: /MP_ROOT/100MNV01. than each video in this folder is represented by an data file and a thumbnail file called: M4V00001.MP4 and M4V00001.THM. The 00001 component of the file name is incremented for multiple videos. with the actual video's name in the header of the file. so while you can just stick video onto the psp if it meets the codec/size/bit rate limitations, the naming system is bothersome and it's easier to just use a program to do it all for you

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  • mastriusmastrius Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    mastrius wrote: »
    ....Whats ..."cracking"?

    It's the installation of a custom (fan-made) firmware (the Operating System that runs the PSP). That allows you to rip your games from the slow, battery-eating UMD to your Memory Stick, which is a great thing.

    It also allows you to run homebrew software like fan made games and many other Apps, utilities, custom new interfaces for the PSP, it lets you overclock the CPU, a hell lot of things.
    Slightly different line of questions: what sort of videos can PSPs play? I was trying to find on Wikipedia and the playstation site, and they don't seem to mention the actual codecs. And is that the same for all models?

    There are many simple video converting programs for the PSP, so you can play pretty much any videos as long as you convert it once

    And there is a homebrew program that lets you use youtube on the PSP (with a wifi connection, of course), and many other video sites (about 70% of them dedicated to pr0n).

    Oh sweet as hell. Thanks for answering me on that. I didnt think anyone would. Im also thinking of buying a PSP next week and was wondering certain things you guys were talking about so figured Id ask. Thanks :)

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  • corky842corky842 Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Foomy wrote: »
    Basically Sony should get its shit together and put some decent codec support on the PSP.

    it's not that it doesn't support any good codecs, I know it does h.264, and mpeg, I think xvid as well now. it's that the vidoes themselves need to be at a max of 768kbs, 480x272 at most, and have an odd naming scheme. All video files and thumbnails need to be stored in a folder called: /MP_ROOT/100MNV01. than each video in this folder is represented by an data file and a thumbnail file called: M4V00001.MP4 and M4V00001.THM. The 00001 component of the file name is incremented for multiple videos. with the actual video's name in the header of the file. so while you can just stick video onto the psp if it meets the codec/size/bit rate limitations, the naming system is bothersome and it's easier to just use a program to do it all for you

    See, this is why I use CFW. There's a folder in the root of the memory stick that's called "video" or "videos", and I just put them in there. I can name them anything I want too.

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