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Pre-Fight Debate Thread: Bracket 15

Doctor DoomDoctor Doom Registered User regular
edited December 2006 in Graphic Violence
Match A:

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THE ALMIGHTY LORD AND MASTER OF EVIL, DOCTOR DOOM

Powers: Genius level intellect, Armor which provides strength, invulnerability, and flight. Can switch consciousness with another human mind. Skilled in sorcery.


Vs.

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Poison Ivy

Powers: Genius-level expertise in botany/toxicology
The ability to manipulate plants
Able to create new plant species and plant/animal hybrids
Secretion of various floral toxins to injure or intoxicate
Immunity to all toxins, bacteria, and viruses
Semi-mystical connection to the plant world through the force of nature called the Green

Environment: The X-Mansion. The X-Mansion is populated as normal. All equipment is accessible. The X-Men (Astonishing) are present and may interfere in the fight.

Match B:

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Mystique

Powers: Ability to change her shape (only other humanoid forms), heal surface tissue damage, immunity to diseases, ageless, skilled hand-to-hand combatant and master strategist.

Equipment: Two semi-automatic pistols.

Vs.

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Electro

Powers: Electrical manipulation
Can use electricity to travel on conductive materials
Increased strength and speed

Environment: The Pentagon

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  • FierceDeity666FierceDeity666 Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Doom, Mystique.

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  • A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited December 2006
    Is the X-Mansion devoid of other people, or does Poison Ivy have some potential victims?

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  • CharmyCharmy Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    You know, I just realized how Doom could sweep this tournament.

    Step One) Transfer consciousness to competitor.
    Step Two) Deliver body a fatal wound.
    Step Three) Switch back.

    I have a feeling he's far too noble for this, though.

    Anyway, I don't really see what chance Ivy has over a master planner like Doom. Doom takes it easily.

    I'd really like to give fight two to Electro, but he's just not smart enough. Mystique probably blends in and gets all the Pentagon guys after him; she doesn't even have to fight him directly, and he has no way of finding her besides killing everyone in the building.

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  • The LuggageThe Luggage Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Bizarro kicks Poison Ivy's ass.

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  • SkulloSkullo Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    When it comes down to it, Electro has increased speed, but he can't dodge bullets. Mystique takes it.

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  • Doctor DoomDoctor Doom Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    A duck! wrote:
    Is the X-Mansion devoid of other people, or does Poison Ivy have some potential victims?

    The X-Mansion is populated as normal. All equipment is accessible. The X-Men (Astonishing) are present and may interfere in the fight.

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  • Mai-KeroMai-Kero Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    A duck! wrote:
    Is the X-Mansion devoid of other people, or does Poison Ivy have some potential victims?

    The X-Mansion is populated as normal. All equipment is accessible. The X-Men (Astonishing) are present and may interfere in the fight.

    So what you're saying is Scott Summers will shoot you in the back because that is how he rolls now.

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    A duck! wrote:
    Is the X-Mansion devoid of other people, or does Poison Ivy have some potential victims?

    The X-Mansion is populated as normal. All equipment is accessible. The X-Men (Astonishing) are present and may interfere in the fight.

    What about the Pentagon? Same deal apply there? Im assuming it is, but just to be sure.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Doom, when did you gain the ability to swap conciousnesses? I can't say I've ever heard of it before.

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  • CharmyCharmy Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    DarkPrimus wrote:
    Doom, when did you gain the ability to swap conciousnesses? I can't say I've ever heard of it before.

    He did it in some of his early appearances. He used to impersonate Reed Richards a bunch of times.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Batman beats Ivy and all he's got is brains and some kung fu. Ivy's gonna have trouble even slowing Doom down.



    And I gotta go to bat for Mystique again. He may have a higher power level, but he's still a punk kid compared to her.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    A duck! wrote:
    Is the X-Mansion devoid of other people, or does Poison Ivy have some potential victims?

    The X-Mansion is populated as normal. All equipment is accessible. The X-Men (Astonishing) are present and may interfere in the fight.
    Uhh Mystique is totally a member of the X-Men now.

    So this fight is really Doom vs the X-Men.

    I think I still give it to Doom.
    Edit: I'm dumb.

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  • Doctor DoomDoctor Doom Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Marathon wrote:
    A duck! wrote:
    Is the X-Mansion devoid of other people, or does Poison Ivy have some potential victims?

    The X-Mansion is populated as normal. All equipment is accessible. The X-Men (Astonishing) are present and may interfere in the fight.

    What about the Pentagon? Same deal apply there? Im assuming it is, but just to be sure.

    Yes.

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  • A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited December 2006
    A duck! wrote:
    Is the X-Mansion devoid of other people, or does Poison Ivy have some potential victims?

    The X-Mansion is populated as normal. All equipment is accessible. The X-Men (Astonishing) are present and may interfere in the fight.
    Uhh Mystique is totally a member of the X-Men now.

    So this fight is really Doom vs the X-Men.

    I think I still give it to Doom.

    Check the matchups again.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Final Fantasy XII is distracting.

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  • The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Well Mystique is much more prone to bullets than Electro, so the Pentagon guards could attack her on sight(It's kind of hard to avoid being shot by shapeshifting if the first thing that they see is you shapeshifting).

    Also I go with Doom. The X-Men know what kind of threat he is, and Cyclops, being a tactical person, is going to want to take down the threat in their home that they have no idea who the hell they are. Though they may not know who she is, chances are if Ivy sees the X-Men first, she might swing first. Either way, Emma would probably probe her mind to see what the hell is going on, find out she's a villain by probing a bit deeper, and fuck her up first.

    Is Doom immune to telepathy/psychic control at all?

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  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Sorry! I misread the thing.


    Doom is protected from being controlled by chemical means, and presumably he has psychic shielding in his mask or something.

    Basically, my point is that the X-Men are no match for Doom.

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  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    No way in hell Mystique is taking out Electro. She fires bullets, he knocks them out of the air with bursts of electricity, or just fries her on the spot.

    Oh god, I'm pulling out my Sinister Six books to find examples of him being awesome

    I'm becoming Spectre.

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  • JudasJudas Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Doom is going to phone this one in. I can hear him yawning already.

    My vote is with Electro; He has the dumbest looking mask in the tournament, but he's going to light Mystique up like a neon billboard before she can even get a shot off.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Poison Ivy's chemicals don't exist in the Marvel Universe. I'm not sure Doom has protection.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    Doom and Mystique.

    Being able to hide in the pentagon helps if your opponent is totally retarded, like electro.

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  • Synthetic OrangeSynthetic Orange Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Heh. She could just call in a terrorist alert, and blend into the crowd.

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  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    robosagogo wrote:
    Poison Ivy's chemicals don't exist in the Marvel Universe. I'm not sure Doom has protection.

    Poison Ivy's chemicals are just that.

    Chemicals.

    His air supply is filtered, you know?

    And if his suit protects him from the Purple Man's pheromones, it will certainly do the same for Ivy's stuff.

    Not that he even needs to be protected, as his will is easily powerful enough to break any hold Ivy might ever have on him.

    Just as it was powerful enough to overrule Purple Man's control over him.

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    i don't get why her chemicals don't exist in the marvel u

    they're made of plants, right?

    i'm pretty sure they have plants in the marvel u. i see them sometimes in x-men.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Well, stuff she's invented personally wouldn't exist. But yea, chemicals are chemicals.

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    well she wouldn't be able to buy them at the store, no, but she can't do that anyway so

    edit- plus, doesn't she actually excrete a lot of the dangerous chemicals she uses?

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Can't Electro just electrocute and kill every person in the pentagon? No need to find the real Mystique then, just Zap and that's the fight.

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  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Electro has this in the bag. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Pentagon full of wiring? Monitors, outlets, computers?

    It's like a big playground to him. He can appear anywhere at any time, probably tap into the surveillance system somehow and shit.

    Electro is easily one of Spidey's most powerful adversaries. In a place as heavily reliant on electricity as the Pentagon, he is going to be nigh-impossible to stop.

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  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck begin again Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    The Pentagon is the biggest office building in the world, and something like 20,000 people work there. Is Electro a mass-murderer on that scale?

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  • WearingglassesWearingglasses Of the friendly neighborhood variety Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Yeah, even if Mystique disguises herself, Electro'd just fry the entire building. :-/

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  • Synthetic OrangeSynthetic Orange Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    "Super-Terrorist Electro Shot Dead at Pentagon."

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  • CyberJackalCyberJackal Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    The Pentagon is the biggest office building in the world, and something like 20,000 people work there. Is Electro a mass-murderer on that scale?

    This is true. The Pentagon is huge, has a shit ton of people working in it, and is very much a maze in parts.

    This fight is pretty interesting actually. Mystique has Electro out-brained by a pretty large margin, and there's almost nowhere that would be a better place for her to hide, but how can she even get to him? I think in a real fight it would basically be Electro vs. the Pentagon's defenses, but that would be kind of a cheesy way for Mystique to win.

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    The Pentagon is the biggest office building in the world, and something like 20,000 people work there. Is Electro a mass-murderer on that scale?

    If he wants to be a winner he will be. :)

    Like you said, it'g a giant office building there would be pleanty of electric wiring and things like that that would let him use his powers very well.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Electro is dumb. He has the power, but not the imagination or creativity to use it effectively except in a few notable situations. He's pretty much a snatch and grab guy, and he's been defeated by water on more than one occasion. All Mystique needs to do is start a small fire.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Charmy wrote:
    You know, I just realized how Doom could sweep this tournament.

    Step One) Transfer consciousness to competitor.
    Step Two) Deliver body a fatal wound.
    Step Three) Switch back.

    I have a feeling he's far too noble for this, though.

    Anyway, I don't really see what chance Ivy has over a master planner like Doom. Doom takes it easily.

    I'd really like to give fight two to Electro, but he's just not smart enough. Mystique probably blends in and gets all the Pentagon guys after him; she doesn't even have to fight him directly, and he has no way of finding her besides killing everyone in the building.

    Doom is loathe to use this power. Seriously, he hates it. It's beyond a last resort.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Heh. She could just call in a terrorist alert, and blend into the crowd.

    Seriously. She can become anyone. How much of an advantage is that in the fucking Pentagon? I'd say it's nigh insurmountable.

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  • CyberJackalCyberJackal Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Malkor wrote:
    Electro is dumb. He has the power, but not the imagination or creativity to use it effectively except in a few notable situations. He's pretty much a snatch and grab guy, and he's been defeated by water on more than one occasion. All Mystique needs to do is start a small fire.

    Ah, sprinkler system. Good call.
    jeepguy wrote:
    Seriously. She can become anyone. How much of an advantage is that in the fucking Pentagon? I'd say it's nigh insurmountable.

    To those who have never been to the Pentagon - on a typical weekday you would never find her. Ever.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Malkor wrote:
    Electro is dumb. He has the power, but not the imagination or creativity to use it effectively except in a few notable situations. He's pretty much a snatch and grab guy, and he's been defeated by water on more than one occasion. All Mystique needs to do is start a small fire.

    Water doesn't beat him anymore.

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  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    He doesn't find her so he responds by electrocuting everyone. He's a goddamn force of nature.

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  • CyberJackalCyberJackal Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Do we know if this is the DC, Marvel, or real world Pentagon? Surely the comic book versions must have some sort of defense against superhumans.

    If it's the real world version then, yeah, Mystique could be fucked.

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