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Buying a New Teevee. Cheap Brands?
AbsoluteZeroThe new film by Quentin KoopantinoRegistered Userregular
So I'm lookin to buy a new LCD HDTV to replace my 2 year old 32" Westinghouse... mostly because it's just too small for how far away I'm sitting from it in my new place. Don't get me wrong I really like the set it's just... too small.
In my hunt for a new set it seems I get more inches for my buck from bargain brands, specifically Vizio and Insignia. So how do they stack up against name brands like the aforementioned Westinghouse, or Samsung, Panasonic, etc? I'm not looking for anything top of the line here, just above average. Should I be steering clear of the cheap brands? Or is it safe to save some dollars?
Specifically I'm looking for a 1080p LCD set that is at least 42" ... bigger is better, though. I tend to find that I can get a 47" Vizio or Insignia for the same price as a 42" name brand. I just don't know if I should.
Go with the Vizio, I have two smaller ones and a Insigna and the Vizios are much better. Bought the cheap Wal Mart 42" for a friend and it looked decent.
Don't know about brands, but I saw some cheap deals on big sceen TVs at BJs when I was there. Might be worth taking a look and get a membership if you find something you like.
Avoid Insignia like it's the plague. I have gotten a lcd tv, a portable dvd player and a dvd player as gifts, all made by Insignia, none of them lasted for more than 2 months. Also, every time I go and return something, I always see someone with an Insignia product waiting in line.
If you want to save money, maybe consider getting a 720p instead of 1080p? at 42", it's not going to make a noticeable difference, but the difference in price will be huge. Only problem is it's going to be hard to find a 720p at over 40" for sale.
I have a Panasonic and a Westinghouse flat screen, both 3 years old, and the Westinghouse doesn't look as good as it used to, whereas the Panasonic still looks like the first day I bought it.
You get what you paid for, the name brands are more expensive for a reason, I personally think the extra money is worth it. There are exceptions, but they don't happen often.
You can always consider getting it at BestBuy with financing, there's no interest if you pay it off within 18 months. Good way to build credit too.
Why the heck would you want to go cheap on an LCD tv? What's your price range like because if you want one over 42" with 1080p you're going to have to pay for it unless you want to get into the habit of frequently replacing your crap tv.
Check Bestbuy's website. Sometimes the tvs are marked way down online from what they sell for in the stores and Bestbuy will price match their own website. Just make sure to bring a printout of the web page if you decide to go that route.
I'd recommend a Samsung if you can find a nice sale on one. But if you must go for a budget brand, Vizio all the way.
Costco is your friend (also Amazon, amazingly) but I think I'm with VisionOfClarity: it's better to go smaller and better quality than bigger and crap quality.
There are some cheap, awesome, Panasonics for 700 bucks or so.
I don't know if they are as cheap as they used to be, but I have a westinghouse that has been great. It was a 32" LCD for around $600, but that was probably at least two years ago.
God, I'm retarded. I don't know how I missed that you have a westinghouse. I don't think the coffee was working.
I've got an Olevia that's been heavily used for like 3 years now, and it still looks and works great.
The company who made the Olevia line of TVs (Syntax-Brillian) filed for bankruptcy and was (eventually) purchased by Emerson Radio Corp. They were mismanaged - the jokers who ran the company did it for personal gain rather than to build a successful company. I don't believe that the line is being produced anymore. Also, their stock went to nothing and was delisted from the NASDAQ. Not that I'm bitter. God damnit.
Go with a Visio, good product. You can pick 'em up at Walmart.
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Vizio is a good brand for what you pay for. Its a brand you see a lot in bars and gyms because they are a good middle of the road brand. I'm not picky about my image quality, so it provides a great bang for its buck on my case.
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GonmunHe keeps kickin' me inthe dickRegistered Userregular
edited August 2009
I bought a 32" lcd 720p made by Emerson that has a surprisingly good picture. I bought it on boxing day for $499 up here and it was regular $649 at the time. If you have them at the Wal-Mart near you I would say that it's something you might want to look into as well. I ran a quick google search and haven't really found much in the wya of complaints about them.
Insignia is a good brand too. You should pick a Vizio or a Insignia up.
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Whatever brand you run across, search for the model on AVSforums. Someone there owns it and has posted review. Sure some of the posters suck at saying "this is good for how little it cost", but most in my experience know that some people just don't have two grand to spend on a set.
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The fact is even the cheap sets have a good picture, and are likely made from the same parts as the higher end ones made by brand names. The lower cost comes from other things not directly related to picture quality, like the plastic shells, poor speaker quality (who uses built-in speakers anyway?), and slower tuners. Often you'll notice a slow response time when changing inputs or channels on cheaper TVs, but if that doesn't bother you much, you can definitely save cash. The generic brands also have to price lower and take a lower cut in order to compete, so there's savings there too.
If you get a Samsung, Sony, or MItsubishi - all the other brands are going to seem like varying degrees of junk to you. Like Panasonics and Toshibas will be pretty good but the system menus and sometimes the way the inputs are physically arranged on the tv wont be as good. A Vizio will feel pretty much like a Samsung, but like one that came out a few years ago - less features, inputes, etc. Then Westinghouse, Olevia, Insignia, Emerson, etc... are all going to be like your K-mart brands - typically no fine picture controls, bare bones inputs, pc input will usually only take 640/480 (maybe 800/600) and then stretch it out to fill the screen, crappy remotes, etc...
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ShogunHair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get alongRegistered Userregular
I have a 42" Vizio LCD @ 1080p. The wife bought it for me for Fathers Day last year for about $1k. The tv works great, picture quality is very nice. There are nicer and more expensive tv's out there, but my Vizio does everything I could want from a tv.
I know it's less than the size you want, but I just bought the vizio Java 37" this weekend from costco for like $565.00, was a fucking steal. Great picture/sound too.
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vizio is pretty good for the money, but i've heard you might go through a couple to get one that works out of the box. i'd recommend against insignia... its half decent with a good HD signal going through it, but all in all... eh.
if you have a store like video only, i'd check there. unless you're getting a vizio at wal-mart or costco, it'll be the cheapest TV you can get thats not on huge discounts. i got a 42" LG there that i'm happy with. it was $100+ cheaper than any other TV because it was last years model.
AbsoluteZeroThe new film by Quentin KoopantinoRegistered Userregular
edited August 2009
I'd be all about buying a tv online but I don't like the idea of getting one shipped to my apartment. I'm never home during the times that deliveries would show up, there's no secure area to leave a large package, etc. Besides, I like to see em in person before I buys em.
So Insignia is bad, Vizio is decent? That seems to be the vibe I'm getting here.
If I'm remembering right, insignia is best buy's house brand. If so, that's a shit ass brand. Vizio makes a pretty decent TV, as does Westinghouse. I have a LG that I love. This is a 40" Sony Bravia at walmart for 797. You can get pretty good deals most anywhere these days if you're willing to look and wait for the right deal.
AbsoluteZeroThe new film by Quentin KoopantinoRegistered Userregular
edited August 2009
Here's another question... should I shell out a little more cash for 120hz? From what I understand it doesn't make a big difference unless you are watching something in 24p... which honestly would only be when I'm watching blu-rays and that's gotta be maybe 10% of the use my TV gets. Does it make some ridiculously huge difference?
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ArtreusI'm a wizardAnd that looks fucked upRegistered Userregular
edited August 2009
Jesus, this thread has gotten so many more responses than the one I posted over in the tech forum, I should have gone here. I've basically been looking for about the same thing. I found a 46" Sharp Aquos for not too bad. But then I found out about this earlier today and it might be awesome.
A really cheap 1080p projector. Might compare to a slightly more expensive 46" plasma but with a bigger screen
If you wanna look at projectors, check out this guy. Its supposedly as good as projectors that cost 4-5 times as much. Just remember that even the most awesome and expensive projector is going to look the best in completely dark room.
Jesus, this thread has gotten so many more responses than the one I posted over in the tech forum, I should have gone here. I've basically been looking for about the same thing. I found a 46" Sharp Aquos for not too bad. But then I found out about this earlier today and it might be awesome.
A really cheap 1080p projector. Might compare to a slightly more expensive 46" plasma but with a bigger screen
Get the Sharp. Projectors are all a business you don't need, with setup, keeping the room dark, bulbs, etc etc.
A pretty Aquos would be rad.
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ArtreusI'm a wizardAnd that looks fucked upRegistered Userregular
Jesus, this thread has gotten so many more responses than the one I posted over in the tech forum, I should have gone here. I've basically been looking for about the same thing. I found a 46" Sharp Aquos for not too bad. But then I found out about this earlier today and it might be awesome.
A really cheap 1080p projector. Might compare to a slightly more expensive 46" plasma but with a bigger screen
Get the Sharp. Projectors are all a business you don't need, with setup, keeping the room dark, bulbs, etc etc.
A pretty Aquos would be rad.
The bulbs were my only actual concern. And actually now that I think about it, surround sound would be awkward to set up with needing to be connected to the projector in the back of the room.
I was really just wondering how the image quality compared to a real Tv, I have little to no experience with HD projectors. And a 1080p one for a couple hundred less than the tv was intriguing. Also there is the fact that it is much smaller, which means much more portable.
I was really just wondering how the image quality compared to a real Tv, I have little to no experience with HD projectors. And a 1080p one for a couple hundred less than the tv was intriguing. Also there is the fact that it is much smaller, which means much more portable.
I haven't had any experience with HD ones myself, but projectors as a genre require:
- A dark room
- A flat wall (or preferably, a screen)
- Bulbs
The number of people who can satisfy those requirements are very low, you basically need a media room to justify it.
120hz is a nice luxury to have, but if your goal is to save money, that would be the first thing to sacrifice.
From my experience, when it comes to electronics, cheap brands can perform as well as named brands, it's just that they don't last as long, they malfunction easier, or they don't keep the same high performance up as long.
I like that this television has audio out, not that it's a long shot feature these days but it is cool, my insignia lcd 42" has this, and basically I connect all my devices to the television via hdmi, and then connect to my receiver via optical, the television acts like the center channel, and the only input I need to worry about is the tv.
Jesus, this thread has gotten so many more responses than the one I posted over in the tech forum, I should have gone here. I've basically been looking for about the same thing. I found a 46" Sharp Aquos for not too bad. But then I found out about this earlier today and it might be awesome.
A really cheap 1080p projector. Might compare to a slightly more expensive 46" plasma but with a bigger screen
Get the Sharp. Projectors are all a business you don't need, with setup, keeping the room dark, bulbs, etc etc.
A pretty Aquos would be rad.
The bulbs were my only actual concern. And actually now that I think about it, surround sound would be awkward to set up with needing to be connected to the projector in the back of the room.
I was really just wondering how the image quality compared to a real Tv, I have little to no experience with HD projectors. And a 1080p one for a couple hundred less than the tv was intriguing. Also there is the fact that it is much smaller, which means much more portable.
Hah! I can offer some anecdotal advice here as well.
I've got this projector in my living room. we did install a projector screen on the rather large wall that we are projecting onto (a proper screen is going to made of like a glass silicate material that reflects light like 100 times better then your wall paint, and in our living room with huge ass windows we just put up some blackout curtains and as long as the lights are off the picture quality, even at 720p, is amazing.
and as far as surround sound question goes, what you really wanna do is only have a single hdmi for video running up to your projector and then have everything else plug into a receiver somewhere else in the room. it's a great solution for your large screen viewing options (with the throw on that Mitsubishi and the size of our living room we get 103" screen, making my house the de facto home for all ppv events, rock band marathons and movie nights)
warning! owning an HD projector will take the edge off the movie theater experience, symptoms include, not being motivated to see that awesome new movie that just came out because you know it'll be more intense AND look better once you get it in your home on Blu-ray.
I like that this television has audio out, not that it's a long shot feature these days but it is cool, my insignia lcd 42" has this, and basically I connect all my devices to the television via hdmi, and then connect to my receiver via optical, the television acts like the center channel, and the only input I need to worry about is the tv.
Is Panasonic a good brand? Up until yesterday you could get a free BluRay player with it..but unfortunately I haven't quite saved up enough for my tv yet. Still...$1200 and free shipping seems good for a 52"
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ArtreusI'm a wizardAnd that looks fucked upRegistered Userregular
edited August 2009
It is that cheap because it is basically refurbished and they aren't making that model anymore.
Hah! I can offer some anecdotal advice here as well.
I've got this projector in my living room. we did install a projector screen on the rather large wall that we are projecting onto (a proper screen is going to made of like a glass silicate material that reflects light like 100 times better then your wall paint, and in our living room with huge ass windows we just put up some blackout curtains and as long as the lights are off the picture quality, even at 720p, is amazing.
and as far as surround sound question goes, what you really wanna do is only have a single hdmi for video running up to your projector and then have everything else plug into a receiver somewhere else in the room. it's a great solution for your large screen viewing options (with the throw on that Mitsubishi and the size of our living room we get 103" screen, making my house the de facto home for all ppv events, rock band marathons and movie nights)
warning! owning an HD projector will take the edge off the movie theater experience, symptoms include, not being motivated to see that awesome new movie that just came out because you know it'll be more intense AND look better once you get it in your home on Blu-ray.
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If you want to save money, maybe consider getting a 720p instead of 1080p? at 42", it's not going to make a noticeable difference, but the difference in price will be huge. Only problem is it's going to be hard to find a 720p at over 40" for sale.
I have a Panasonic and a Westinghouse flat screen, both 3 years old, and the Westinghouse doesn't look as good as it used to, whereas the Panasonic still looks like the first day I bought it.
You get what you paid for, the name brands are more expensive for a reason, I personally think the extra money is worth it. There are exceptions, but they don't happen often.
You can always consider getting it at BestBuy with financing, there's no interest if you pay it off within 18 months. Good way to build credit too.
I'd recommend a Samsung if you can find a nice sale on one. But if you must go for a budget brand, Vizio all the way.
There are some cheap, awesome, Panasonics for 700 bucks or so.
God, I'm retarded. I don't know how I missed that you have a westinghouse. I don't think the coffee was working.
still, get another westinghouse.
The company who made the Olevia line of TVs (Syntax-Brillian) filed for bankruptcy and was (eventually) purchased by Emerson Radio Corp. They were mismanaged - the jokers who ran the company did it for personal gain rather than to build a successful company. I don't believe that the line is being produced anymore. Also, their stock went to nothing and was delisted from the NASDAQ. Not that I'm bitter. God damnit.
Go with a Visio, good product. You can pick 'em up at Walmart.
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Not wishing to derail the thread, but is LCD > Plasma?
if you have a store like video only, i'd check there. unless you're getting a vizio at wal-mart or costco, it'll be the cheapest TV you can get thats not on huge discounts. i got a 42" LG there that i'm happy with. it was $100+ cheaper than any other TV because it was last years model.
i think LCD still has the edge when you're going for <40" but gets better as you're going for bigger sizes.
also, as was said, go for 720p, it will be much less expensive, and i don't think many broadcasts are coming in 1080p.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889104131
So Insignia is bad, Vizio is decent? That seems to be the vibe I'm getting here.
A really cheap 1080p projector. Might compare to a slightly more expensive 46" plasma but with a bigger screen
Get the Sharp. Projectors are all a business you don't need, with setup, keeping the room dark, bulbs, etc etc.
A pretty Aquos would be rad.
The bulbs were my only actual concern. And actually now that I think about it, surround sound would be awkward to set up with needing to be connected to the projector in the back of the room.
I was really just wondering how the image quality compared to a real Tv, I have little to no experience with HD projectors. And a 1080p one for a couple hundred less than the tv was intriguing. Also there is the fact that it is much smaller, which means much more portable.
I haven't had any experience with HD ones myself, but projectors as a genre require:
- A dark room
- A flat wall (or preferably, a screen)
- Bulbs
The number of people who can satisfy those requirements are very low, you basically need a media room to justify it.
From my experience, when it comes to electronics, cheap brands can perform as well as named brands, it's just that they don't last as long, they malfunction easier, or they don't keep the same high performance up as long.
I like that this television has audio out, not that it's a long shot feature these days but it is cool, my insignia lcd 42" has this, and basically I connect all my devices to the television via hdmi, and then connect to my receiver via optical, the television acts like the center channel, and the only input I need to worry about is the tv.
Hah! I can offer some anecdotal advice here as well.
I've got this projector in my living room. we did install a projector screen on the rather large wall that we are projecting onto (a proper screen is going to made of like a glass silicate material that reflects light like 100 times better then your wall paint, and in our living room with huge ass windows we just put up some blackout curtains and as long as the lights are off the picture quality, even at 720p, is amazing.
and as far as surround sound question goes, what you really wanna do is only have a single hdmi for video running up to your projector and then have everything else plug into a receiver somewhere else in the room. it's a great solution for your large screen viewing options (with the throw on that Mitsubishi and the size of our living room we get 103" screen, making my house the de facto home for all ppv events, rock band marathons and movie nights)
warning! owning an HD projector will take the edge off the movie theater experience, symptoms include, not being motivated to see that awesome new movie that just came out because you know it'll be more intense AND look better once you get it in your home on Blu-ray.
Is Panasonic a good brand? Up until yesterday you could get a free BluRay player with it..but unfortunately I haven't quite saved up enough for my tv yet. Still...$1200 and free shipping seems good for a 52"
Whats your yearly budget for bulbs, if I may ask?