So yeah, I'm back again. I dunno but I've really fallen in love with the blunt personalities here in the PA forums. I guess I can trust you guys with anything since you guys are brutally honest.
Anyways, it's exactly as the title describes. I went to the first day of school today (I'm a high school senior now). I got out and everything was normal, but when I got home, I didn't feel like doing anything.
I got homework the first day and that really doesn't bother me, I'm use to that stuff in AP classes. What really hit me is that I don't want to do ANYTHING. Not the homework, not play games, not even eat. Don't wanna sleep, don't wanna stare at a wall, don't even want to kill myself. It's just that, I don't even know how to describe it. It's all worthless. We go to school, get work, I barely work at all and get good grades. I have a bright future as one of the smartest kids in school and most likely to succeed. I just see no point in it. No point in anything. No point in my life. All I'm gonna do is help destroy the Earth in one way or another. I'm not gonna disprove E=MC2 and make every space geek's fantasy come true (I wish). I'm not gonna be the first guy on Mars. I'm not gonna discover life in a new planet. All I'm gonna do is eat, crap, deposit what's left in a way that slowly kills the Earth. I don't even know what to say. I don't even have the guts to kill myself. I can't even cry over it. I gave up trying to get a decent girl to like me and possibly get my first kiss. I'm gonna die eventually and there's no point to it. Whatever I do discover will be wiped out when the human race is gone. Then any trace of us is gonna be gone. I DON'T FUCKING KNOW WHAT TO DO! I need freakin' help. My mind's become warped... more than before. I don't even have the motivation to continue being a misanthrope. There's no point in hating people... it's not gonna change them....
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Realising that each of our lives is such a small part of the cosmic picture is pretty daunting and humbling. But I really found it to be relaxing knowing that anything at all that I do in life doesn't really matter, so I might aswell just go about it and try to make the people close to me happy, be they friends, family, or girls. I agree when you say "I just see no point in it. No point in anything.", but its the exact same as when someone asks, "Why do we exist?". You can look at it from the angle of "Why?", or from the angle of "Why not?".
I've always believed that the meaning of life is to give life meaning, so I try to do that. I decided I would learn a new instrument, read more, listen to more music, get a part time job and just do things that involved other people. Setting goals you're actually interested in is one of the best ways to gain motivation, but the hardest part is even picking something you want to do.
One thing I also learned, don't bother wasting your energy hating people - just ignore them if you don't want to be involved in their lives. But when somebody is making an effort to be involved in yours try to let them if you think they're a good person and will be a good friend.
I'm just kind of rambling at this point I guess, but I know highschool is surprisingly tough for people who aren't challeneged by the workload. You don't have alot of rights as an adult to do what you'd like to, even though you probably have the maturity to handle it. Life gets better in afew years, I promise.
Second, you need to force yourself to get a little more exercise in the meantime.
Third, you don't have to be afraid to think these things through on your own, but also don't be afraid to let other people help you think these things through.
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Second: You, as a human, are in a state of flux. That self-awareness that you picked up when you were 2 or 3 is starting to really solidify. Back then it was nice to know that your mom wasn't ceasing to exist when you couldn't see her, now it's occurring to you that your self is pretty damned small and surrounded by a lot of other selfs. Soon you're running off to college or the workforce or whatever, and you're going to interact with society for really the first time (high school isn't real life, in 2 years it'll be a distant memory. It's not too true to call college real life either. Far from it.) and at the end you're going to be a significantly different person than you are now. I am, at 24, and I think most people would feel the same. I would probably kick my own ass if I had to deal with myself at 18 or 19.
As far as the cosmic viewpoint, well, we just simply don't interact in the universe at that scale, so there's no reason to think in those terms. You worry about upsetting the earth? 99% of the earth's mass isn't alive, in a cosmic sense it's not something you can "hurt." And that 1% is going to be gone in 5 billion years anyways when the sun runs out of hydrogen and starts fusing helium. If you're going to think in those terms, finish it out! How about this: you are an immeasurably small fraction of matter out of all the universe, incalculably tiny, and you, out of alllllll that matter, get to experience anything. What would your disassociated atoms be doing in the meantime? I daresay I, as a living person, am more meaningful than nearly 100% of the matter in the universe. Might as well do something
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It's hard to show interest in girls when the person you like hates how you think so negative about yourself and she can't understand that she and everyone else is part of the reason.
I've reached the point where I just wanna do nothing. I wanna run off to Alaska and live the rest of my life as a hermit. That way, at least when I die my body will go on to feed something.
Just because I'm alive doesn't mean the rest of the universe isn't. Just because we can't prove something doesn't mean it's not true. I've suffered from this thing where I can't hurt anything with a smile, and especially anything with a sad smile. I still have a lollipop from nearly a year ago I can't eat because the wrapper has a sheriff smiling on it and it looks like a sad smile (it's called people pop). I started crying when my I told my friend and he started messin' with his lollipop as a joke.
It's reached the point where I don't see it in terms of "why?" or "why not?" I see it in terms of "why bother? what will I gain?" So far, in my entire life, I've gained nothing and now I reached the point where I don't even want to move on....
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Wanna be nihilistic together? Although, it may be a little too much effort for me to invest.
Also, read Sartre.
I don't even want a partner anymore. I've already accepted the fact that I'm never gonna be married. I told my mum I never kissed a girl and she told me she was ashamed... and she's a classical catholic woman. It's reached the point where I just wanna stay alone, but I long for someone like me....
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I have latched on to this idea recently. Don't despair because you can't find any meaning in your (or the world's) existence. There is meaning in most anything you do, as long as it is something. Hell, some might argue that what you're going through (sounds like some mini-existential-crisis, one that you are describing very dramatically) gives meaning to life, since you can feel emotions and think thoughts such as these.
As for the loss of faith in the people around you/humanity, I would wonder how many people you have had meaningful social interactions with in the last few weeks or months, if it's not many (could be wrong here, and nothing personal if you haven't).
I've heard people say things like what you're saying before after going through a period of isolation. Everyone seems to hear secondhand or witness from afar people being terrible beings, and then they proceed to write off humanity until they find someone they connect with, i.e. a decent friend. Then those feelings might go away. So all I can suggest is (and I hope that others on the board will back me up a bit) that there are many good human beings out there, maybe even the majority of people, and just by spending time with some people you will start to believe that others are worthwhile.
Maybe the fact that others have had the same feelings you have (and live with them) shows you that humanity is alright.
About the kissing a girl or having a girlfriend thing, I wouldn't get too stressed about that either. You're 17, maybe 18 years old, things happen at different times for everyone. I'm 19--I've kissed a girl, but never been on a real date or had a girlfriend, yet I don't stress out about it because I have the aforementioned faith in humanity, and feel that soon/someday (probably with more effort on my part) I will find someone I wish to be romantically involved with who feels the same. So maybe the first step is to, uh...like people (as a species) more (I wish I could put it more eloquently).
Sorry for the run-on post.
TL;DR----Maybe the solution is to just get out there and do stuff/meet people and make your own meaning in life, and things might make more sense. Or you have fun and stop worrying about vague "meanings".
Edit: As others said, someone to talk to would be a good idea, whether a friend, therapist, family member, teacher, or counselor.
Also, nobody can make you take meds if you don't want to. For one thing, generally, therapy is done with psychologists (who cannot prescribe meds themselves,) not psychiatrists (who are the MDs who describe meds).
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First of all, in case my first hunch was right, go see someone, preferably professional about the depression. That's what they're there for.
Second of all, drugs can help. Sometimes there's just something off about levels of chemicals and they fix it. If you go to someone professional and they put you on anti-depressants, take them. This is someone who knows far, far more than you do about these things. That doesn't mean they're all perfect at their job, but it does mean that they by and large know what they're doing. And they're not just walking drug dispensers either.
Third, and now that I've given the soft fluffy advice get the fuck over yourself. You don't know the same things as a 20-something year old. You're not the smartest kid ever who's realized truths about life as a high-school senior. That girl who's "part of the problem" and doesn't like you for your dark dark thoughts? Yeah, she's not the goddamn problem there. Your friends that you're a raging douche to "watching them suffer" when they need you? They don't stay up at night thinking "OH HOW COULD HE I NEEDED HIM MY LIFE IS RUINED". They talk to other friends, continue to live normal lives, and if they think of you at all they just think that you're a colossal dick. You're not the single dark enlightened martyr of existence living a life of quiet desperation while everyone else lives in a happy cloud of ignorance. Everyone goes through that shit in high school, to varying degrees. It's easily top 5 of retarded high school shit. Up there with writing awful poetry, wearing too much Axe body spray and spiking your hair.
So in other words
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That's pretty much the on-the-spot psychological advice I have.
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Do me a favor, and blow this depression shit away. All a psychologist will do is prescribe you an SSRI, and those are NOT FUN to ween yourself off. You can't just stop taking it, you know? Or you'll go on some homicidal killing spree, or whatever.
And surprisingly enough, I can't hurt anything. My empathy prevents me from doing anything hurtful (mentally) to anyone because I'd feel it. People consider it a good thing to have, but I've always viewed it as a curse, as the cause of all my issues. That and my belief that every person is a walking universe makes me unable to hurt them physically.
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That and if you're always this mopey and bizarre, then no, people aren't going to want to be around you. Who wants to be friends with the kid who talks about destroying the human race and sad lollipops like a Hot Topic Philosopher?
Look at it this way: If you had a broken leg, you'd get yourself to a doctor, right? I get it though, the drugs are different because they do shit with your brain - and that can be a scary prospect.
I've been down that road myself, and I'm glad I mustered up enough courage to do it. Getting on anti-depressants allowed me to gain some much needed clarity on my life and things are SO much better for me now.
Please, go see someone. Maybe they won't end up prescribing anything, maybe all you need is to talk to an impartial observer. But if they do prescribe something, you don't just start taking the pills and that's that - if they're not working for you, go back and get something else. It may take a few tries - it's important that you don't give up.
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Seriously, dude, that's just being a teenager. It's really common. Problem #1 is feeling too much pity of yourself. Get over that. We're not gonna join you. I felt like that too. I got over it. Thing is, no one is perfect, not even ourselves, but we're not really much worse than anyone else. Anyone who thinks even a little bit about things in general feel like a "cynical husk".
Those are just the growing pains. Something good might come out of it. Maybe nothing. It kinda goes away.
Try to find something you care about outside of yourself and other people. Some craft, skill, hobby, profession. It could literally save your life. It doesn't matter if makes sense now, or if it's "useful".
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I knew a guy, a coworker and a bit of a friend, who was bipolar. His bipolar didn't manifest itself in him being angsty on an internet forum, it manifested in him taking a bottle of sleeping pills and then putting a bag over his head as they kicked in when he was 33. Didn't know he had the condition until the funeral, always a happy guy when I knew him. See, that's a mental illness. Or the time cube guy, who is clearly schizophrenic.
You should talk to a counselor at your school, they can often be pretty good. If you go and don't like it, don't go back. Nothing to lose, something to gain. Easy choice, isn't it? Clearly you want to talk about it, and a professional will be anonymous like we are, and probably more patient, understanding, and respectful.
Hell, for me it lasted past high school. I was able to manage it, keep it in balance, for a long while.
Then it started slipping just this past couple of months. I was having trouble geting out of bed, I was barely functional at work. Felt worthless, useless, apathetic, nihilistic. All of these thoughts were circular and fed themselves, making it worse. Its not possible to be functional when you tell yourself that you are not, and when you dont do anything about it it just reaffirms the "I am so useless" thoughts.
When I went to go to my doc for something unrelated to my mental state, he asked me how I have been doing otherwise and I told him that I had been feelin a bit depressed as of late, and that it was starting to get worse; I had started thinking "bad thoughts" as he put them.
We started talking about it and he gave me a month's supply of an antidepressant (lexapro to be specific) to see if it helps.
After a couple days on it, I felt worlds better. I felt more confident in myself, I became interested in doing things I had come to be completely indifferent towards. I started pulling my life back together.
To be honest, it does feel a bit embarassing to say to people that I am on antidepressants considering that there seems to be this split in my perception about how to fix one's self, Pharmacologica or Self-help/Therapy. The hilarity of this embarassment I find in that I have no qualms about telling a bunch of strangers on the net about it, but I have yet to tell people I know in real life that I am taking it out of some bizarre sense of shame that I could not do it alone.
I tried the self-help thing for years, it did not work for me. I was not very good at getting myself to do anything about it either. Making a change feels impossible when you do not see the results yourself.
Finally I decided when I was talking with the doc that I was willing to try another means to break this pervasive funk, since I could not do it on my own.
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It's depression or at least a case of "the blues", crossed with being a teenage, crossed with a possible mild anxiety disorder.
See a shrink.
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You're right not to feel positive, but not for the reason you think. A 20-something-year-old doesn't know shit about life either.
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Lighten the fuck up, as someone else said you arent the first person to feel this way and you sure as hell wont be the last.
of course if you have been like this for awhile it could definately be some sort of issue (bi-polar etc) hormones can do some really weird shit to your brain.
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Check out the absurdist philosophies. They helped me come to grips with my own inability to perform the small steps I had for my goals.
Kill all indecisiveness. Find something you want from your life and bite into it as hard as you can. It's amazing what finally deciding I wanted to become a doctor vs the dozens of other careers I knew I could perform w/ the schooling. i.e. as stupid as it sounds don't keep your options open. Once you start viewing things in terms of what this will accomplish to get me to my goal it's amazing how much motivation you can find. Once you achieve the goal I don't really know as I haven't come there yet :P.
Basically my biggest problem was the fact that at the end of HS literally everything was open to me, being intelligent only complicated it though. I wanted to do something that used my abilities yet I saw the stuff I could do in any field and couldn't decide. On one hand I could become a physicist and do amazing things or an engineer and do just as amazing things. It was confusing and annoying to me to have such broad interests and capacities (learning anything interests me) but at the same time have to perform a task that didn't involve an end goal.
Getting a part time job can help too. I know this sounds like you won't have any free time but believe you me it's very possible to get a part time job and perform perfectly. Instilling that work ethic into yourself with the incentive of money to blow on anything you want (being in hs w/ no bills) is very helpful.
Last advice to you is simply do it. Do it quickly and get it done even if you have to do it badly, look at everything as opportunity to learn more even if you already know it. I ended my senior year with two D's and an F, no college cares if your test scores were the top percentile of the state, they only want to know if you're capable of performing the work.