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We have one month to go before the launch of this, and the hype seems to be at 0. The blame falls largely on Sony I believe, with of course the price (made even more ridicolous by the new PS3 slim and the great bargains that the recent packs are) and complete lack of information. Forget a UMD trade in plan, at least tell us what PSP games will be up for download. I know there's already a few (and Capcom seems to have much of their catalog already up) but what about recent big releases like Dissidia and Rock Band: Unplugged? Big hitters likes God of War, The Metal Gear games, Crisis Core, etc. How many people will get one of these things at day one and then have nothing to play?
Then there's the little things that just makes me go "Oh Sony". No removable battery. Battery life being the same as PSP 3000 (less if you count an extended battery), the price (again), etc.
So, is anyone even remotely hyped for this, or interested? How do you guys think it'll fare? Are you all ready to buy games only through digital distrution?
No interest, and I'm worried that Sony might do something stupid and try to discontinue the 3000, which would effectively kill the PSP line.
I don't see the Go selling well, long-term. I also don't see many folks "upgrading" their older PSPs for this model, since their old games will be worthless.
Honestly, I'm most curious to see how retailers will treat a console that is designed to cut retailers out of the game sales loop.
Personally I already have a PSP, so the only thing I'm interested in is news of new titles. As for the unit itself, I see no need in spending that kinda money if I already own a PSP-Slim :P
It is ridiculously priced, has worse functionality than a modded regular PSP, you can't play your existing library of games, Sony are pretty bad at dropping prices of digitally distributed games (meaning that when a game is already half price at retail, you will have no choice to buy the game at full price on the PSPgo direct from Sony), it is ugly, without using it myself I am unsure of the analogue placement. They switched from standard USB to a proprietary port (which is a real pointless dickmove),
It is also ridiculously priced. The UK price is £224.99, for £5 more you can get a PS3 Slim, for £189.95 you can get a 360 elite with a game, or for £150 you can get a Wii. The real killer: £129.99 for a DSi.
Whoever the hell at Sony thinks that they can get away with charging not far off double what their (far more successful) competition are doing needs to be fired.
I work at a fairly large retail store and over the last month have had a number of people come in to get the reserve ticket. The thing is most of them (that I talked to) were getting it as an upgrade to their current PSP, not realizing that they'd be out of luck as far as playing their old games. I really REALLY don't think the market is ready for a strictly 'download only' game console, handheld or otherwise.
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The primary reason I bought a PSP a few months ago was the dirt cheap games. So this thing confuses me somewhat I guess.
I just bought a PSP3000 and Dissidia for $195 Canadian. $250 for just the system alone is just too much for a handheld. Not to mention, they still haven't given a 100% set-in-stone way for PSPGo owners to transfer UMDs to an SD card. And it looks uncomfortable as fuck to use (I don't play my DS too often because of the button placement; hand-cramps from hell. My PSP3000 gives me no such problems with the wider design).
I work at a fairly large retail store and over the last month have had a number of people come in to get the reserve ticket. The thing is most of them (that I talked to) were getting it as an upgrade to their current PSP, not realizing that they'd be out of luck as far as playing their old games. I really REALLY don't think the market is ready for a strictly 'download only' game console, handheld or otherwise.
And certainly not as an "upgrade" to one that took physical media. It would have to be a brand new system.
You know, I just upgraded to a 3000 model, and the guy behind the counter at a local gamestop tried to sell me a reserve for the PSP go instead. When I said i had a library of around 40+ games, he had nothing to sell me with.
The whole decision to go completely digital download is a mistake, and I hope Sony realizes this.
I'm pretty quick to defend Sony, and I'm a whore for digital distribution, but come on, $250?
The current PSP 3000s have control layouts that aren't nearly as retarded, and can play both your UMDs and the fancy digital downloads. Also, the screen is bigger.
No dice on this. I really can't see this doing well, except possibly in Japan.
You know, I just upgraded to a 3000 model, and the guy behind the counter at a local gamestop tried to sell me a reserve for the PSP go instead. When I said i had a library of around 40+ games, he had nothing to sell me with.
On a company-wide level (individual stores, districts and regions might vary) Gamestop really hasn't started pushing employees to push the Go heavily, yet. I think that says a lot. Pretty much the moment the DSi became reservable in the system, there were contests running for which stores could get the most DSi reservations. I think the nGage remodel had a larger push than the Go is getting.
I work at a fairly large retail store and over the last month have had a number of people come in to get the reserve ticket. The thing is most of them (that I talked to) were getting it as an upgrade to their current PSP, not realizing that they'd be out of luck as far as playing their old games. I really REALLY don't think the market is ready for a strictly 'download only' game console, handheld or otherwise.
I work at a fairly large retail store and over the last month have had a number of people come in to get the reserve ticket. The thing is most of them (that I talked to) were getting it as an upgrade to their current PSP, not realizing that they'd be out of luck as far as playing their old games. I really REALLY don't think the market is ready for a strictly 'download only' game console, handheld or otherwise.
I work at a fairly large retail store and over the last month have had a number of people come in to get the reserve ticket. The thing is most of them (that I talked to) were getting it as an upgrade to their current PSP, not realizing that they'd be out of luck as far as playing their old games. I really REALLY don't think the market is ready for a strictly 'download only' game console, handheld or otherwise.
The new look and feel aren't that important considering most people have no problem with the old PSP unlike how a lot of people dislike the size and look of the PS3. There really isn't much of a reason to care for it unless you really love digital distribution.
How do you purchase games on it anyways? I imagine you go to the Sony store online and select what you want but then ... what? You enter your credit card info on your PC and then you get permission to download the game? Is that the only way to buy?
Yes, this thing is 100% dead in the water and it was obvious the moment they announced the price.
I expect it to have a very strong, and VERY short-lived, period of high sales, IMMEDIATELY after launch, due to uninformed expectations, and possibly also due to holidays sales.
During this period of time, the Sony fanboys will crow about how they were right all along.
Then, sales will suddenly drop off, leaving them looking like even bigger fools that they do right now, for thinking that $250 is a reasonable price because it has bluetooth.
How do you purchase games on it anyways? I imagine you go to the Sony store online and select what you want but then ... what? You enter your credit card info on your PC and then you get permission to download the game? Is that the only way to buy?
The same way that you buy downloadable PSP games right now.
Using the credit card that is already tied to your PSN account, or using point cards.
Yes, this thing is 100% dead in the water and it was obvious the moment they announced the price.
I expect it to have a very strong, and VERY short-lived, period of high sales, IMMEDIATELY after launch, due to uninformed expectations, and possibly also due to holidays sales.
During this period of time, the Sony fanboys will crow about how they were right all along.
Then, sales will suddenly drop off, leaving them looking like even bigger fools that they do right now, for thinking that $250 is a reasonable price because it has bluetooth.
I don't think it's even going to have a big launch. I'm predicting less than 200,000.
I work at a fairly large retail store and over the last month have had a number of people come in to get the reserve ticket. The thing is most of them (that I talked to) were getting it as an upgrade to their current PSP, not realizing that they'd be out of luck as far as playing their old games. I really REALLY don't think the market is ready for a strictly 'download only' game console, handheld or otherwise.
The new look and feel aren't that important considering most people have no problem with the old PSP unlike how a lot of people dislike the size and look of the PS3. There really isn't much of a reason to care for it unless you really love digital distribution.
Even if you really love DD, unless I am very much mistaken, this has no advantages regarding DD over the regular PSP short of having a big chunk of internal memory.
But hell, even the memory cards it uses are more expensive than the (already expensive) ones that the PSP uses.
How do you purchase games on it anyways? I imagine you go to the Sony store online and select what you want but then ... what? You enter your credit card info on your PC and then you get permission to download the game? Is that the only way to buy?
IIRC, they are also going to be selling some boxes with serial numbers in at retail.
Except this really isn't an issue of backwards compatibility, it's lacking current compatibility. Not the same thing at all.
The PSP Go can't play previously released games, correct?
The PS3 can't play previously released games either, correct?
It's not an issue of a new system or generation, it's the fact that it is a reboot, back to square one. The games you bought in the past are now obsolete. This is just insult to injury, doing it in on the same hardware.
How do you purchase games on it anyways? I imagine you go to the Sony store online and select what you want but then ... what? You enter your credit card info on your PC and then you get permission to download the game? Is that the only way to buy?
The same way that you buy downloadable PSP games right now.
Using the credit card that is already tied to your PSN account, or using point cards.
How is security for that? I mean, say a teenager wants to buy some games but his parents say one game a month is the limit. Can this teenager flip over to the Sony store and use the card on the account, going on a spending splurge?
Yes, this thing is 100% dead in the water and it was obvious the moment they announced the price.
I expect it to have a very strong, and VERY short-lived, period of high sales, IMMEDIATELY after launch, due to uninformed expectations, and possibly also due to holidays sales.
During this period of time, the Sony fanboys will crow about how they were right all along.
Then, sales will suddenly drop off, leaving them looking like even bigger fools that they do right now, for thinking that $250 is a reasonable price because it has bluetooth.
I don't think it's even going to have a big launch. I'm predicting less than 200,000.
I think that Sony has hidden the fact that it doesn't play discs well enough from the general public that they'll get some sales at launch. They might get a lot of angry returns the next day, but they'll get sales.
I also expect retailers to make SOME effort to sell the things, in good faith to Sony, just not a big one.
Also, confused parents/relatives wanting to get their kid the newest thing for the holidays.
Except this really isn't an issue of backwards compatibility, it's lacking current compatibility. Not the same thing at all.
The PSP Go can't play previously released games, correct?
The PS3 can't play previously released games either, correct?
It's not an issue of a new system or generation, it's the fact that it is a reboot, back to square one. The games you bought in the past are now obsolete. This is just insult to injury, doing it in on the same hardware.
...That's fucking retarded reasoning, and I expect more than this, especially from you.
Your N64 can't play SNES games. They are not the same system. If you buy a PS3, you can play all PS3 games. 'Cause the system was MADE for PS3 games, get it? If you buy a PSP Go, however, you cannot play all PSP games, despite the fact that said games were MADE for the PSP.
How do you purchase games on it anyways? I imagine you go to the Sony store online and select what you want but then ... what? You enter your credit card info on your PC and then you get permission to download the game? Is that the only way to buy?
The same way that you buy downloadable PSP games right now.
Using the credit card that is already tied to your PSN account, or using point cards.
How is security for that? I mean, say a teenager wants to buy some games but his parents say one game a month is the limit. Can this teenager flip over to the Sony store and use the card on the account, going on a spending splurge?
He'd need their password, so it is as secure as you are.
PSN has a system where a parent account can actually be set up to give an allowance in to the wallet of a child account, so that the child can use as much money as is in their virtual wallet, but cannot add more funds to it.
Even if you really love DD, unless I am very much mistaken, this has no advantages regarding DD over the regular PSP short of having a big chunk of internal memory.
As everyone knows, the PSP is a system that has been plagued with piracy issues, but Sony is starting to get a grasp on the problem. The notorious Pandoras Battery made modifying the official PSP firmware on PSP devices extremely easy a caveman could do it. With the recent PSP-3000, Sony started to show they are acting on measures to protect further PSP models from suffering the same fates as the 1000 and 2000 models. Sony's John Koller had this to say:
"We've had a lot of success with the 3000," Koller says when I bring up the issue. While the earlier models of the PSP were incredibly easy to use with ripped or downloaded games, the PSP Go is going to make things tougher on the pirates. "You won't be able to rip your games and play them on the system, the firmware precludes that," Koller explained. "There's no external battery, so there's a number of protections put into place on the system."
Although this is sure to protect the PSP Go, this may come of as one slight downfall for the PSP Go now. When that battery starts to wear down, that means sending that sexy device to sony for a couple of weeks with a fee.
Except this really isn't an issue of backwards compatibility, it's lacking current compatibility. Not the same thing at all.
The PSP Go can't play previously released games, correct?
The PS3 can't play previously released games either, correct?
It's not an issue of a new system or generation, it's the fact that it is a reboot, back to square one. The games you bought in the past are now obsolete. This is just insult to injury, doing it in on the same hardware.
...That's fucking retarded reasoning, and I expect more than this, especially from you.
Your N64 can't play SNES games. They are not the same system. If you buy a PS3, you can play all PS3 games. 'Cause the system was MADE for PS3 games, get it? If you buy a PSP Go, however, you cannot play all PSP games, despite the fact that said games were MADE for the PSP.
SNES cartridges don't fit in to an N64.
Also, it was SONY THEMSELVES who first made such a big deal about being "the only next-gen console with full BC going back two generations."
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I don't see the Go selling well, long-term. I also don't see many folks "upgrading" their older PSPs for this model, since their old games will be worthless.
Honestly, I'm most curious to see how retailers will treat a console that is designed to cut retailers out of the game sales loop.
It is also ridiculously priced. The UK price is £224.99, for £5 more you can get a PS3 Slim, for £189.95 you can get a 360 elite with a game, or for £150 you can get a Wii. The real killer: £129.99 for a DSi.
Whoever the hell at Sony thinks that they can get away with charging not far off double what their (far more successful) competition are doing needs to be fired.
big one for me
And certainly not as an "upgrade" to one that took physical media. It would have to be a brand new system.
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The whole decision to go completely digital download is a mistake, and I hope Sony realizes this.
And christ, I didn't realize how much the thing was overpriced in the UK. Guess that explains the pack of Gran Turismo.
It doesn't use SD cards. It doesn't even use Memory Stick Pro Duos.
It uses their newer, smaller, more expensive proprietary chip, which I believe is called a Memory Stick M2.
The current PSP 3000s have control layouts that aren't nearly as retarded, and can play both your UMDs and the fancy digital downloads. Also, the screen is bigger.
No dice on this. I really can't see this doing well, except possibly in Japan.
On a company-wide level (individual stores, districts and regions might vary) Gamestop really hasn't started pushing employees to push the Go heavily, yet. I think that says a lot. Pretty much the moment the DSi became reservable in the system, there were contests running for which stores could get the most DSi reservations. I think the nGage remodel had a larger push than the Go is getting.
Did you help them out?
And people wonder why the PS3 lacking BC is a huge deal.
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Um....PS3 and PS2 are completely different systems; PSP and PSPGo is the same system.
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Except this really isn't an issue of backwards compatibility, it's lacking current compatibility. Not the same thing at all.
I expect it to have a very strong, and VERY short-lived, period of high sales, IMMEDIATELY after launch, due to uninformed expectations, and possibly also due to holidays sales.
During this period of time, the Sony fanboys will crow about how they were right all along.
Then, sales will suddenly drop off, leaving them looking like even bigger fools that they do right now, for thinking that $250 is a reasonable price because it has bluetooth.
The same way that you buy downloadable PSP games right now.
Using the credit card that is already tied to your PSN account, or using point cards.
How can they?
I don't think it's even going to have a big launch. I'm predicting less than 200,000.
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The PS2 was still a "current" console when BC was removed from the PS3. Wasn't it outselling the PS3 at that point? :P
I'm jesting, but yes, the point is, if people shit bricks over BC, then dropping CC is a HUGE fucking deal.
Same price as if you bought a 16gb card and the old PSP.
Digital distribution is the wave of the FUTURE!
Even if you really love DD, unless I am very much mistaken, this has no advantages regarding DD over the regular PSP short of having a big chunk of internal memory.
But hell, even the memory cards it uses are more expensive than the (already expensive) ones that the PSP uses.
IIRC, they are also going to be selling some boxes with serial numbers in at retail.
But seriously, are they just going quit making UMD games or what?
Check out Neogaf.
Also, Bluetooth. And the excuse that Solid State memory isn't cheap.
It's easy to rationalize anything, as long as you have an agenda.
The PS3 can't play previously released games either, correct?
It's not an issue of a new system or generation, it's the fact that it is a reboot, back to square one. The games you bought in the past are now obsolete. This is just insult to injury, doing it in on the same hardware.
But...I love Sony. And love digital distribution. And I do think it's the future.
But this is still a bad move. Wait till your next console/handheld and then do it right, Sony. Both retail and DD for your entire game catalog.
How is security for that? I mean, say a teenager wants to buy some games but his parents say one game a month is the limit. Can this teenager flip over to the Sony store and use the card on the account, going on a spending splurge?
I think that Sony has hidden the fact that it doesn't play discs well enough from the general public that they'll get some sales at launch. They might get a lot of angry returns the next day, but they'll get sales.
I also expect retailers to make SOME effort to sell the things, in good faith to Sony, just not a big one.
Also, confused parents/relatives wanting to get their kid the newest thing for the holidays.
...That's fucking retarded reasoning, and I expect more than this, especially from you.
Your N64 can't play SNES games. They are not the same system. If you buy a PS3, you can play all PS3 games. 'Cause the system was MADE for PS3 games, get it? If you buy a PSP Go, however, you cannot play all PSP games, despite the fact that said games were MADE for the PSP.
He'd need their password, so it is as secure as you are.
PSN has a system where a parent account can actually be set up to give an allowance in to the wallet of a child account, so that the child can use as much money as is in their virtual wallet, but cannot add more funds to it.
http://kotaku.com/5348986/piracy-protection-is-why-pspgos-battery-isnt-removable
SNES cartridges don't fit in to an N64.
Also, it was SONY THEMSELVES who first made such a big deal about being "the only next-gen console with full BC going back two generations."
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