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Shitty Technology That's Still Around

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    logic7 wrote: »
    25fps as a broadcast (and film) standard. Just why aren't we at 30-60fps???

    NTSC is 30 fps. Pal is 25 fps. Depending on the method used to show the image, most people won't notice a major difference above ~18 to 23 fps depending on the display method. So while going to 60 fps would make a tiny improvement, most people won't notice it. But the bandwidth needed goes up pretty significantly. Bandwidth for analog or digital systems is limited. So you can either increase the resolution which has a dramatic impact on image quality, or increase frame rate which will have a tiny effect on the fluidity of the motion. We'll be increasing resolution for a long time before we start seeing higher frame rates, if ever.

    Since this always comes up, I'm using 30 fps as frames per second. This can sometimes be confused for fields per second, or images per second. Two fields/images equals one frame. So if you're going to make a reply to me with the numbers 50 or 60, we're talking about the same thing.

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  • Mazer RackhamMazer Rackham __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2009
    Most codecs are also optimized to a 15 FPS speed. 60FPS converted to 15fps would be shitty.

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  • DeathPrawnDeathPrawn Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    logic7 wrote: »
    25fps as a broadcast (and film) standard. Just why aren't we at 30-60fps???

    NTSC (i.e. US, among others) television broadcasts at 29.97fps.

    The response I've heard from film people is that 24fps is more 'filmlike' because that's what people are used to. Many TV shows are filmed in 24p instead of NTSC specifically because people will see it and subconsciously think of it as more 'filmlike' because they've become so adjusted to the idea that movies are always 24 frames per second.

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  • ArcticMonkeyArcticMonkey Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Most codecs are also optimized to a 15 FPS speed. 60FPS converted to 15fps would be shitty.
    Which codecs are optimized for 15fps? How would a codec be optimized for a certain fps?
    To the codec the input video is only a series of pictures. The time between the pictures has no impact on the encoding, only the amount of movement. Unless you are talking about simpler video uses like webcams and phones where there might not be enough power to encode more then 15fps.

    And anything converted to 15fps would be shitty because 15fps is not enough frames to give smooth motion.

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  • BarrakkethBarrakketh Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Most codecs are also optimized to a 15 FPS speed. 60FPS converted to 15fps would be shitty.
    Which codecs are optimized for 15fps? How would a codec be optimized for a certain fps?
    To the codec the input video is only a series of pictures. The time between the pictures has no impact on the encoding, only the amount of movement.

    Exactly. You can basically specify any frame rate you desire when muxing into a container, and raw video (like what mencoder will output if you choose -of rawvideo) doesn't have any FPS in the file at all so if you don't pick the correct one you're going to have A/V sync problems.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Most codecs are also optimized to a 15 FPS speed. 60FPS converted to 15fps would be shitty.
    Which codecs are optimized for 15fps? How would a codec be optimized for a certain fps?
    To the codec the input video is only a series of pictures. The time between the pictures has no impact on the encoding, only the amount of movement. Unless you are talking about simpler video uses like webcams and phones where there might not be enough power to encode more then 15fps.

    And anything converted to 15fps would be shitty because 15fps is not enough frames to give smooth motion.

    It would still be useful video for certain applications. For security camera footage, 15 is more then ample and depending on your requirements may even be too much.

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  • ZackSchillingZackSchilling Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I don't know about 15FPS vs 24FPS or whatever, but as you start going really fast, 60FPS, 120FPS, the problem of video encoding changes a lot. Frames change a lot less from one to the next. Stuff like MPEG2 and H.264 wouldn't need to change on the decode end, but a change in settings or encoder would probably help reduce stream size quite a bit over encoder settings designed for < 30FPS content. The same goes for a reduction in frame rate.

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Shitty technology that just won't fucking go away:

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    Thank you for taking up the rest of my power plugs, jerk.
    Why can't everyone make all of these like this?

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  • elliotw2elliotw2 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    As far as I've ever seen, Sony's about the only company that does that with anything that's not a Console

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2009
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    Shitty technology that just won't fucking go away:

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    Thank you for taking up the rest of my power plugs, jerk.
    Why can't everyone make all of these like this?

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    Better yet, just build the fucking power brick into the device. I'm fucking sick of power bricks. I don't care if it makes your device bigger, fucking do it!

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  • elliotw2elliotw2 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Do you really want your cell phone to be that big + size for the phone bits? How about your camera?

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  • TaximesTaximes Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    Shitty technology that just won't fucking go away:
    pa3c_MED.jpg

    Thank you for taking up the rest of my power plugs, jerk.
    Why can't everyone make all of these like this?

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    Although, I do agree with you.

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    elliotw2 wrote: »
    Do you really want your cell phone to be that big + size for the phone bits? How about your camera?

    Well no, but the X360 already weighs a ton and is huge, why not have the power brick in it already? :P

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  • DeathPrawnDeathPrawn Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    elliotw2 wrote: »
    Do you really want your cell phone to be that big + size for the phone bits? How about your camera?

    My iPhone does a pretty awesome job of not having a power brick while not being as large as my head.

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    And if there is going to be a brick in-line, put in a retractable or winding cable with it. Allow people SOME cable management.

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  • FatsFats Corvallis, ORRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    elliotw2 wrote: »
    Do you really want your cell phone to be that big + size for the phone bits? How about your camera?

    Well no, but the X360 already weighs a ton and is huge, why not have the power brick in it already? :P

    In the 360's case, it's probably best that the power supply is separate. That thing doesn't need any more heat on the inside.

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Taximes wrote: »
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    Shitty technology that just won't fucking go away:
    pa3c_MED.jpg

    Thank you for taking up the rest of my power plugs, jerk.
    Why can't everyone make all of these like this?

    realdeal.jpg
    squid-lg.jpg

    Although, I do agree with you.
    holy shit i want one, way better than my crappy vertical one

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2009
    Taximes wrote: »
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    Shitty technology that just won't fucking go away:
    pa3c_MED.jpg

    Thank you for taking up the rest of my power plugs, jerk.
    Why can't everyone make all of these like this?

    realdeal.jpg
    squid-lg.jpg

    Although, I do agree with you.
    holy shit i want one, way better than my crappy vertical one

    Do those have any surge protection built in, or are they just extenders?

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Just extenders. Same idea as a power strip, without the strip part. Like a multi-ended extension cord, if you need another example. :)
    Also, ridiculously expensive in stores. I'm not sure why, but they are.

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  • ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I have one that is a surge protector.
    I also have two of these
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  • LuvTheMonkeyLuvTheMonkey High Sierra Serenade Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    The PowerSquids are available (but not in stock ATM) at Thinkgeek for a reasonable $25 (compared to the rest of the places you can buy them). They do have surge protection models available. Also, PowerSquid is a fantastic name.

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I have one that is a surge protector.
    I also have two of these
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    OH GOD THE THIRD PRONGS ARE AT THE WRONG SIDE
    i hate when they make it like that.

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  • ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    What? No they aren't In order to fit more outlets on that thing they have the outside rows turned 90 degrees (you know, on purpose).

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    We could dispense with those terrible wall warts if our homes ran on DC power.

    Yes that introduces other problems, but I think in the future we'll have to come up with some kind of standard where buildings are wired with both AC and DC. Vast majority of our gadgets these days run on DC, all it's doing is running up the cost of electronics (to build all those damn wall warts) and creating a huge amount of clutter around wall outlets.

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  • logic7logic7 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I started buying little extension cords from walmart to plug my wallwarts into, then plug those into my power strip.

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  • tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    DeathPrawn wrote: »
    elliotw2 wrote: »
    Do you really want your cell phone to be that big + size for the phone bits? How about your camera?

    My iPhone does a pretty awesome job of not having a power brick while not being as large as my head.

    Yeah, that's because you charge it using a USB cable which runs DC to it already. It has a wall-wart: your computer.

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    tsmvengy wrote: »
    DeathPrawn wrote: »
    elliotw2 wrote: »
    Do you really want your cell phone to be that big + size for the phone bits? How about your camera?

    My iPhone does a pretty awesome job of not having a power brick while not being as large as my head.

    Yeah, that's because you charge it using a USB cable which runs DC to it already. It has a wall-wart: your computer.

    Apple sells this:

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    While still a wall wart, significantly smaller than most.

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  • DoctorstrongbadDoctorstrongbad Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I hate my microwave. It always burns my popcorn or does not pop enough seeds. How about an Imicrowave?

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  • ZackSchillingZackSchilling Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    My microwave does a good job. If yours doesn't, time cook on medium and wait until the popping slows to where you can count to three between pops. Hit stop right away.

    On the issue of power lines, I've always imagined the power system of the future will consist of high-voltage DC for power transmission and a large, switched-mode DC->DC power converter / usage monitor for each home. You could even swap out the home converter for an AC->DC model to ease the transition for new houses without available DC service. Or provide a universal wall wart for new appliances in old houses wired with AC. The power delivery infrastructure is so unbelievably complex that there would have to be fallbacks in every single direction to ensure no step of the update relied on another.

    The a fully DC->DC system would be a bit of a pain on the supply side, but gains in transmission efficiency and not having to convert tons and tons of electricity for every single piece of electronics would be very significant.

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    i have a super shitty 'dial' microwave, with three settings and you have to basically set it to the 30 or the minute because it snaps to that spot. very awful device.

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  • ProPatriaMoriProPatriaMori Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    xzzy wrote: »
    We could dispense with those terrible wall warts if our homes ran on DC power.

    Yes that introduces other problems, but I think in the future we'll have to come up with some kind of standard where buildings are wired with both AC and DC. Vast majority of our gadgets these days run on DC, all it's doing is running up the cost of electronics (to build all those damn wall warts) and creating a huge amount of clutter around wall outlets.

    What we need is for someone to pick a plug format for a standard +5 and +12V connector to be added to regular wall-sockets. Then when people build houses the wall-wart pack would be built into the face-plate behind the socket.

    This could be done today, but we don't have a standard for it.

    So you've got more little transformers wasting energy no matter what? I don't really see the benefit as compared to having your transformer inline with a cable or using extensions so that you don't need to keep the sourceward side of the circuit energized all the time.

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    xzzy wrote: »
    We could dispense with those terrible wall warts if our homes ran on DC power.

    Yes that introduces other problems, but I think in the future we'll have to come up with some kind of standard where buildings are wired with both AC and DC. Vast majority of our gadgets these days run on DC, all it's doing is running up the cost of electronics (to build all those damn wall warts) and creating a huge amount of clutter around wall outlets.

    What we need is for someone to pick a plug format for a standard +5 and +12V connector to be added to regular wall-sockets. Then when people build houses the wall-wart pack would be built into the face-plate behind the socket.

    This could be done today, but we don't have a standard for it.

    So you've got more little transformers wasting energy no matter what? I don't really see the benefit as compared to having your transformer inline with a cable or using extensions so that you don't need to keep the sourceward side of the circuit energized all the time.

    Soon as someone plugs a wallwart in, they're wasting energy, so I don't really see what the difference is. At least if it were integrated into the house, you could use a wall switch to control it.

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I'm pretty sure a switching power supply (which most modern wallwarts are) doesn't drain significant power when not in use.

    Unless you mean that the conversion from AC to DC wastes energy, which is of course true, but AC is damned efficient for high-voltage long-distance power lines, so what are you gonna do? Nothing we can do can get rid of it fully until everyone has a Mr. Fusion in their basement, converting garbage mass to energy directly.

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  • ZackSchillingZackSchilling Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    The cheapest wall warts will stay warm all the time, therefore they have to be drawing a watt or so at least. Building them into the walls of a house is a silly idea. If you're going to build something in, at least take advantage of that fact in terms of cost and efficiency. Get a household wide DC power supply.

    That said, converters built in to outlets could be both cheap and efficient if you just created some kind of system where they only turn on when something is plugged in. The grounding pin on UK outlets does this already. That's why their stuff, even if it's ungrounded, need at least a plastic rod to go in that slot.

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  • Captain VashCaptain Vash Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Too complicated.

    Aside from the fact that trying to get every existing home to update their shit, consumers will reject anything more complex than what is already in place.

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    What a great reason to never change anything. It's too hard!

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  • elliotw2elliotw2 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Well, it's a better reason than what stopped a few other big changes: "We're too lazy"

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  • Captain VashCaptain Vash Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    xzzy wrote: »
    What a great reason to never change anything. It's too hard!

    I work in cable and telecommunications repair, and when I say that there is a segment of humanity too stupid to identify the differences between coaxial cable / Ethernet / power / component / dvi / hdmi, even with detailed visual descriptions and EXPLICIT LABELS on BOTH ends, I speak from first hand experience.

    Never underestimate the power of idiots.

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