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Post RRoD Options?

UreshiiAkumaUreshiiAkuma Registered User regular
edited September 2009 in Games and Technology
After over 3 years of serving my gaming needs, my near-launch (got it 3 or 4 mo. after launch) Xbox 360 finally succumbed to the Red Fever. I am not too surprised, as she has been acting odd for the last few months, bravely fighting off the inevitable. Being an ancient girl, she is no longer covered by warranty. Therefor, it'll cost $99 to have MS fix her up.
Having to pay that much has me wondering if I'm not just better off getting a new console. I do have some questions to see if I can get some guidance for my options:

1) Is a repair really a repair, and not a replacement? If it is just a repair, it seems like my current 360 would be more likely to RRoD again than a new console.

2) With the new pricing scheme, which SKU is now the best bang-for-your-buck? On one hand, throwing my current 20 GB HDD on an arcade seems like the cheapest and easiest option (no data transfer cable needed) for getting a new one. Are there any major downsides (other than HDD) for taking this path? On the other hand, the black of the Elite and the 120GB HDD are quite sexy ... just trying to decide if they are $100 sexy. Other advantages of going with Elite over Arcade?

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  • MrOlettaMrOletta Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    My Xbox360 recently RROD's (3 weeks ago), and the replacement I received was my same console fixed which I verified through the SN.

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  • NailbunnyPDNailbunnyPD Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    MrOletta wrote: »
    My Xbox360 recently RROD's (3 weeks ago), and the replacement I received was my same console fixed which I verified through the SN.

    The SN on the case is just the SN on the case. They very likely swapped your innards, which you would know by comparing the Console ID from the dash. Another sign would be having to redownload your XBL content to use it offline, but they might have addressed that issue.

    In the event you use MS to repair/replace, they will send you a like console, meaning no HDMI, same power usage, etc. They will very likely replace the innards with those that have been refined to reduce the chance of failure, but its still possible.

    If you buy a new console, you're going to get the most current revision (do homework to ensure you do) and HDMI. You'll have to use the web based transfer tool to reassign your XBL content from one console to the other, which is limited to a single use per year.

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  • Psychotic OnePsychotic One The Lord of No Pants Parts UnknownRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    You could always keep the RROD one and use it as an Arcade machine alone. It still loads the main windows and your XBLA games right? If it does you can use it and that hard drive as your Live box then get one of them new 120 gig xboxs as the replacement if its out of warrenty.

    Never had a real red ring just freezing and I had the Best Buy warrenty so I just swapped xboxs in the store and kept my Harddrive.

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  • darkenedwingdarkenedwing Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I sold my RROD'd 360 for $60, kept the harddrive, and bought a new Arcade console, back in January.

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  • No Great NameNo Great Name FRAUD DETECTED Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    have shoddy consumer electronic device break

    buy new one

    america

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  • darkenedwingdarkenedwing Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    have shoddy consumer electronic device break

    buy new one

    america

    I really hate myself for buying a new one.
    If PS3s were $300 back then I would of bought one in a heartbeat instead.

    But, let not turn this into THAT kind of thread.

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  • UreshiiAkumaUreshiiAkuma Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Yea, I am quite fond of all my systems, so it is not a question of whether I get another one. Just trying to figure out what makes the most sense for me to do :) I am definitely leaning strongly towards getting a new one. If the repair was cheaper, I'd go that route, but $100 seems a little steep.
    The nice thing is I got the OK from my wife for either the Arcade or the Elite, so that major hurdle is crossed.

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  • Psychotic OnePsychotic One The Lord of No Pants Parts UnknownRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Yea, I am quite fond of all my systems, so it is not a question of whether I get another one. Just trying to figure out what makes the most sense for me to do :) I am definitely leaning strongly towards getting a new one. If the repair was cheaper, I'd go that route, but $100 seems a little steep.
    The nice thing is I got the OK from my wife for either the Arcade or the Elite, so that major hurdle is crossed.

    Well that makes it easier that you don't have to guess which one equals you sleeping on the couch.

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I would say get a new one. I just sent in a friend's 360 and they are sending a replacement back, but who knows what model it's going to be, and if it's likely to RROD again? You aren't guaranteed the same console, so why risk it? Since you have a launch console, you have the most to gain from getting a Jasper unit.

    If you get the Arcade, you get 512MB of flash memory on the motherboard that you can store stuff on (like profile and game saves) so if the HDD dies you won't lose it all. Both come with HDMI, and the Elite will give you 120Gigs instead of 20. So depends on what you want/need.

    Also, you could check around for stores trying to offload the Pro model, and try to find some deals that will get you 2 controllers and some pack-in games. Even if you don't need the controllers, you could sell them off to offset the cost of buying the new console.

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  • JerikTelorianJerikTelorian Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    After over 3 years of serving my gaming needs, my near-launch (got it 3 or 4 mo. after launch) Xbox 360 finally succumbed to the Red Fever. I am not too surprised, as she has been acting odd for the last few months, bravely fighting off the inevitable. Being an ancient girl, she is no longer covered by warranty. Therefor, it'll cost $99 to have MS fix her up.
    Having to pay that much has me wondering if I'm not just better off getting a new console. I do have some questions to see if I can get some guidance for my options:

    1) Is a repair really a repair, and not a replacement? If it is just a repair, it seems like my current 360 would be more likely to RRoD again than a new console.

    2) With the new pricing scheme, which SKU is now the best bang-for-your-buck? On one hand, throwing my current 20 GB HDD on an arcade seems like the cheapest and easiest option (no data transfer cable needed) for getting a new one. Are there any major downsides (other than HDD) for taking this path? On the other hand, the black of the Elite and the 120GB HDD are quite sexy ... just trying to decide if they are $100 sexy. Other advantages of going with Elite over Arcade?

    The repair really is a repair: as I understand, the general consensus on the 'net is that they will repair the existing hardware (with better parts, if possible) three times until they just give you a new one. What this means is, if you still have one of the 92nm chips, that will stay the same until it dies the third death, when they give you a 45nm. However, they will (I believe) replace the faulty X-Brace that causes some of these issues.

    As for the hard disk Issue, I've had a 20gb for awhile and haven't really used it all. I have about 6gb left, and don't actually do the install-to-disk thing, so I'm not really using it for much.

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  • EgosEgos Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    As much as I hate to say this I have had the RRoD at least 2 times. Maybe 3.

    The first time I definitely got my console back.
    This last time, it was a different console (SN) and such. Sadly they made sure it didnt have an hdmi output :(

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  • redfield85redfield85 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Egos wrote: »
    As much as I hate to say this I have had the RRoD at least 2 times. Maybe 3.

    Rookie.

    I just turned my 360 on (got this after I sent one in last July). I turned around to see a fucking red light flashing in the bottom right of the power circle. I don't even think I give a shit anymore. If I send this one away or buy a new one, I will be on my fucking fifth 360.

    I take care of this fucking thing like it is a child and I get repayed by having it die a week before NHL 10.

    Not to high-jack this thread or anything, but I just don't know what to do anymore.

    *sigh*

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  • redfield85redfield85 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    ArcSyn wrote: »
    ...you have the most to gain from getting a Jasper unit.

    Is this the newest model? How do you tell if it is a Jasper (or another updated model)? They actually let you open up the box and check the serial number on the unit before you buy it?

    Info on this asap would be awesomesauce. I want to maybe go out and get a new 360 on Thursday or Friday.

    Oh, and my 360 gave me the bottom red light after I unplugged everything and put it back on. Also, when I removed the HD, it still gave me the red light. So, I assume it isn't an HD problem.

    Is there an arcade version of the Jasper? If I can get the cheapest version out there, I could resell the HD that comes with it. I would really like to keep my 120gb hd since I fucking went out and bought it a few months ago.

    I feel like such a fucking ass (and like shit) for actually wanting a 5th Xbox 360. *sigh again*

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    redfield85 wrote: »
    Egos wrote: »
    As much as I hate to say this I have had the RRoD at least 2 times. Maybe 3.

    Rookie.

    I just turned my 360 on (got this after I sent one in last July). I turned around to see a fucking red light flashing in the bottom right of the power circle. I don't even think I give a shit anymore. If I send this one away or buy a new one, I will be on my fucking fifth 360.

    I take care of this fucking thing like it is a child and I get repayed by having it die a week before NHL 10.

    Not to high-jack this thread or anything, but I just don't know what to do anymore.

    *sigh*

    Well, there's now an alternate $299 option.

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  • redfield85redfield85 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    -Loki- wrote: »
    redfield85 wrote: »
    Egos wrote: »
    As much as I hate to say this I have had the RRoD at least 2 times. Maybe 3.

    Rookie.

    I just turned my 360 on (got this after I sent one in last July). I turned around to see a fucking red light flashing in the bottom right of the power circle. I don't even think I give a shit anymore. If I send this one away or buy a new one, I will be on my fucking fifth 360.

    I take care of this fucking thing like it is a child and I get repayed by having it die a week before NHL 10.

    Not to high-jack this thread or anything, but I just don't know what to do anymore.

    *sigh*

    Well, there's now an alternate $299 option.

    But, what about all my BFFs?! D:

    And what in the fuck do I do with my 40+ games? Shitty trade-in credit? Waste my time setting up amazon/ebay shit?

    Seriously though, it did cross my mind. Actually, saying "fuck off" to the 360 and PS3 (even though I never owned one) crossed my mind first. If I don't check for model info, is there a difference between an arcade or elite if I use my own HD?

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2009
    1) Is a repair really a repair, and not a replacement? If it is just a repair, it seems like my current 360 would be more likely to RRoD again than a new console.

    Either way, you'll be ending up with the same "generation" of 360, which is just as likely to RROD again as the previous one. The power requirements of each chipset changed with each new version, so you'll always be getting back the same basic build, whether it's a repair or a replacement. Which is why you should just...
    2) With the new pricing scheme, which SKU is now the best bang-for-your-buck? On one hand, throwing my current 20 GB HDD on an arcade seems like the cheapest and easiest option (no data transfer cable needed) for getting a new one. Are there any major downsides (other than HDD) for taking this path? On the other hand, the black of the Elite and the 120GB HDD are quite sexy ... just trying to decide if they are $100 sexy. Other advantages of going with Elite over Arcade?

    After getting back a third console after yet another RROD, I finally just sold the refurb I got back, and used the money towards an Arcade, which I stuck my hard drive in. Other than the black casing, and the larger hard drive, there's not really an advantage between the Arcade and the Elite, since the arcade now comes with HDMI and a wireless controller.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2009
    redfield85 wrote: »
    ArcSyn wrote: »
    ...you have the most to gain from getting a Jasper unit.

    Is this the newest model? How do you tell if it is a Jasper (or another updated model)? They actually let you open up the box and check the serial number on the unit before you buy it?

    Info on this asap would be awesomesauce. I want to maybe go out and get a new 360 on Thursday or Friday.

    Oh, and my 360 gave me the bottom red light after I unplugged everything and put it back on. Also, when I removed the HD, it still gave me the red light. So, I assume it isn't an HD problem.

    Is there an arcade version of the Jasper? If I can get the cheapest version out there, I could resell the HD that comes with it. I would really like to keep my 120gb hd since I fucking went out and bought it a few months ago.

    I feel like such a fucking ass (and like shit) for actually wanting a 5th Xbox 360. *sigh again*

    Yes, you can get a Jasper with an Arcade unit, and you can tell without opening the box.

    xbox360-jasper.jpg

    The middle number there, the "12,1A" is the important part to look for. The voltage requirements for the Xenon and the Falcon are higher. Just peek in through the box where the serial number is visible, and you should be able to adjust the system inside enough to view the power requirements.

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  • redfield85redfield85 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    redfield85 wrote: »
    ArcSyn wrote: »
    ...you have the most to gain from getting a Jasper unit.

    Is this the newest model? How do you tell if it is a Jasper (or another updated model)? They actually let you open up the box and check the serial number on the unit before you buy it?

    Info on this asap would be awesomesauce. I want to maybe go out and get a new 360 on Thursday or Friday.

    Oh, and my 360 gave me the bottom red light after I unplugged everything and put it back on. Also, when I removed the HD, it still gave me the red light. So, I assume it isn't an HD problem.

    Is there an arcade version of the Jasper? If I can get the cheapest version out there, I could resell the HD that comes with it. I would really like to keep my 120gb hd since I fucking went out and bought it a few months ago.

    I feel like such a fucking ass (and like shit) for actually wanting a 5th Xbox 360. *sigh again*

    Yes, you can get a Jasper with an Arcade unit, and you can tell without opening the box.

    xbox360-jasper.jpg

    The middle number there, the "12,1A" is the important part to look for. The voltage requirements for the Xenon and the Falcon are higher. Just peek in through the box where the serial number is visible, and you should be able to adjust the system inside enough to view the power requirements.

    So, is this one proven to work for a longer period of time? I have come to expect to get a new 360 once a year.

    As for the broken console, I am on the xbox site and in the "repair your console" section. It lists how much a repair is from the drop down menu. When I have "e74" as the problem, there is a $0 balance. When I do one flashing red light (which is what I had and then the e74 screen comes up), it says it will cost $99. Should I put this console down as an e74 and see if they try to charge me or should I just say fuck it and let my Uncle, who is Mr. Electronics, fiddle with the broken 360's innards?

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2009
    I don't think it's been out long enough to be proven for anything, but it is the latest chipset, and runs the coolest out of all of them.

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  • Zoku GojiraZoku Gojira Monster IslandRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Something similar happened to me a few months ago. Zephyr system, went one red ring, E74 error just after the one year warranty was up. So I bought an Arcade jasper for half the price I paid for my original console. A week later, MS extended the warranty for the E74 error to three years, to match the 3RROD.

    Went to the site, filled out the form, got the prepaid box in the mail a couple days later. Quick and fairly painless, if only because I had a spare console thanks to the cheap Arcade units.

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  • FuriousJodoFuriousJodo Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    When my Elite RROD'd a while back, I did the self-repair that's available on the net. Haven't had an issue with it since, I think i spent like 6$ on parts/etc.

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  • redfield85redfield85 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    OK. What constitutes the E74? My console first gave me the bottom red light followed by the E74 screen. Then before I went to bed I tried to turn it on a few times and now it just gives me three or four red rings followed by the E74 screen.

    I think Thursday I am going to Best Buy and getting an Arcade. Do you think it is worth checking what model the console is? I wonder how much Best Buy's 360 warranty is. I have $25 in BB Bucks, so I guess it won't sting too bad. I have become immune to my 360 breaking. I expect it to happen with each console.

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  • MorvidusMorvidus Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    E74 is your AV cable or GPU. Borrow someone else's AV cable. If that doesn't work, then it's a brick.

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  • redfield85redfield85 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Morvidus wrote: »
    E74 is your AV cable or GPU. Borrow someone else's AV cable. If that doesn't work, then it's a brick.

    Well fuck. You might be on to something here. I unplugged my AV HD cables and the 360 is on and alive.

    edit: Nevermind. It was E73.

    OK. When I turn on my 360 with no AV in, it works (but, well, I need the fucking cables to play haha). When my red/blue/green cables are all hooked up and when I tried my brother-in-law's hmdi cable, I get one right light. So, does this mean there is a problem with my 360's AV port?

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  • maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I gots me a falcon unit and I've been using it for about a year and a half, oriented vertically.

    No issues yet but I can feel my bedroom get warmer when the sucker's on, lol.

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  • redfield85redfield85 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I am going to get a $200 Arcade and whatever the HD cables cost. If MS lets me send my 4th console in for free I will, but I think I am still going to get this Arcade console. NHL 10 waits for no man.

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    i'd recommend ordering any cabling you want online right now... don't you already have a set of component cables from your existing 360, though?

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    yeah. Don't make a mistake, go to monoprice.com

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  • redfield85redfield85 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    i'd recommend ordering any cabling you want online right now... don't you already have a set of component cables from your existing 360, though?

    True. I have the red/blue/green cables. But if I eventually send the broke 360 back to MS (if I can for free), don't I have to send the wires as well? Or just the box?

    Hopefully the cables aren't the actual problem.

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    The only thing you send when getting repairs done is the 360 itself. You're supposed to remove any accessories you have, including the faceplate and especially the hard drive.

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  • redfield85redfield85 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    The only thing you send when getting repairs done is the 360 itself. You're supposed to remove any accessories you have, including the faceplate and especially the hard drive.

    Yea, I remember those two. I just forgot about the wires. This makes me happy (if you can call it that). I won't have to spend an extra like $40 for cables. And since I have $25 in BB Bucks, my Arcade should be $175 (minus tax).

    Now, do I waste my time looking for a certain model? Jasper, right? I don't know what other kind of models there are. Anyone care to inform me by Thursday? I know in the other dead 360 thread someone posted the exact voltage or whatever to look for on the back of the 360 before buying it.

    edit: Just talking with a friend. He is saying I should get the intercooler. I thought I heard about problems with those, no? Plus, my 360 lasted for a year. Doubt a fan will help my new one.

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    intercoolers pretty much do nothing to help, and can possibly shorten your system's life by adding a constant additional power drain to your system (increasing heat) while blocking some of the vents on the system (reducing your system's ability to dissipate heat)

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I can't remember why, but I bought a 'silent' intercooler for my PS3. After 5 minutes of use it sounded like the engine of a 747, so I took it off and threw it out.

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  • redfield85redfield85 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Yea, I didn't plan on getting one really. He was just trying to tell me that some people he knows use them and it lengthened the life of their consoles. To each their own.

    But yea, do I need to search for a Jasper or are most consoles out there nowadays ok (arcade that is)?

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  • redfield85redfield85 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    After sending the email through the xbox site, of course I get a message back with steps to repair and if it doesn't work then to go online to the repair page. What a bunch of fucks.

    Does anyone have someone at Microsofts email (that is important)? Not that it would help I guess since they don't really give a shit about their customers.

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  • redfield85redfield85 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Just prepping for my arcade purchase. My current broken console has "16, 5a" for the voltage compared to the Jasper's "12, 1a." Just an fyi is anyone cared. Haha.

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