If they do they (unsurprisingly) haven't released it. An accurate TOD may not be possible in this case; his body was described as decomposed so it had apparently been a day or two. After that long a real time of death is pretty difficult to ascertain, although they should be able to figure out at least what day he was murdered.
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Has anyone else picked up on the "coincidental" date of death?
I noticed that, but it was only when he was discovered. He disappeared Wednesday or Thursday from what I've heard/read.
Do they have a time of death?
Not anything anyone's said publicly.
Yeah, they obviously want to withhold as much as they can other than info that might lead to a tip-off. Both to verify the info from any possible informant and to keep the perp in the dark as to anything they might have messed up.
It's not really the south, it's just rural areas in general. Crime rate is generally really low but you have to be willing to walk by two people talking with a straight face about obama being a fascist socialist without commenting on it and you'll do fine.
The crime rate in the cities is also fairly low as long as you stick to certain parts of them, but parts of the inner city in almost any major city in the USA resemble thunderdome.
D.C. is the biggest contrast. The Mall is fantastic but if you venture off the beaten path, you'll be devoured by velociraptors.
You're right about DC. The area I live in has had one murder in the last 3 years. Nearly all the murders in this city are geographically and demographically clustered. It's also an incredibly segregated city- if you only considered my neighborhood, you'd think DC was 90%+ white.
As you noted, rural areas in the US are generally incredibly safe. The only real problem has been the uptick in violence due to the crystal meth epidemic.
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Atlanta and Chicago may have higher crime rates, but that's got something to do with the fact that certain types don't go to backwards hick towns without getting run off or brutalized.
If you're talking about minorities, no, that's not the case. Rural America, especially in the South, has plenty of black people living in hick towns alongside white people. You'll see a lot more black people sitting at diner counters next to white people in Alabama than you'll see black people sitting next to white people in restaurants in Manhattan.
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One of the Chicago daily freebie papers is actually tracking all the murders for 2009, and placing them on Google maps. They pretty much 100% coincide with the divisions between the "good" parts of town and the "bad". The South Side is completely lit up, while Lincoln Park has zero.
Atlanta and Chicago may have higher crime rates, but that's got something to do with the fact that certain types don't go to backwards hick towns without getting run off or brutalized.
If you're talking about minorities, no, that's not the case. Rural America, especially in the South, has plenty of black people living in hick towns alongside white people. You'll see a lot more black people sitting at diner counters next to white people in Alabama than you'll see black people sitting next to white people in restaurants in Manhattan.
Yes, you will find more towns like this due to the larger number of minorities. There are still plenty where a minority is better off never stopping in.
Like was said before there's rural then there's totally off the fucking map.
And its really easy to tell the difference between whats safe and what isn't.
Are people smiling at you and waving? Congrats, you've found a small rural friendly town.
Are people grimacing at you and staring? Stay the fuck away.
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One of the Chicago daily freebie papers is actually tracking all the murders for 2009, and placing them on Google maps. They pretty much 100% coincide with the divisions between the "good" parts of town and the "bad". The South Side is completely lit up, while Lincoln Park has zero.
Here's a map of murders in DC from 2004-2006. You can see the heavy clustering in Anacostia and a couple of other bad neighborhoods, with almost no other murders in parts of Northwest. Furthermore, the murders tend to heavily involve one demographic- young black men with prior criminal records. We're generally not talking about random killings of respectable citizens.
Like was said before there's rural then there's totally off the fucking map.
And its really easy to tell the difference between whats safe and what isn't.
Are people smiling at you and waving? Congrats, you've found a small rural friendly town.
Are people grimacing at you and staring? Stay the fuck away.
The problem of course is when they smile, wave, and then spike your cigar with opium and shanghai you into white slavery.
Atlanta and Chicago may have higher crime rates, but that's got something to do with the fact that certain types don't go to backwards hick towns without getting run off or brutalized.
If you're talking about minorities, no, that's not the case. Rural America, especially in the South, has plenty of black people living in hick towns alongside white people. You'll see a lot more black people sitting at diner counters next to white people in Alabama than you'll see black people sitting next to white people in restaurants in Manhattan.
Yes, you will find more towns like this due to the larger number of minorities. There are still plenty where a minority is better off never stopping in.
That really doesn't make sense. If we're talking about the South, there are few rural areas without any black people. Heck, in places like Mississippi, large parts of rural areas are majority-black. There really aren't any parts of the US where a black person would be in danger based on his race if he stopped to fill up his gas tank.
In any event, white on black murder is pretty rare. Black people are in much higher danger of being murdered or assaulted by another black person than they are by a white person.
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Like was said before there's rural then there's totally off the fucking map.
And its really easy to tell the difference between whats safe and what isn't.
Are people smiling at you and waving? Congrats, you've found a small rural friendly town.
Are people grimacing at you and staring? Stay the fuck away.
The prevalence of firearms is also a pretty good indicator.
Only cops are carrying guns? Not bad.
See a few guys with a gun rack in their vehicle? Better watch it, although they could have just gotten back from hunting or something.
Run into a town like the one my dad worked in in Eastern KY about 20 years ago where people think it's perfectly normal to walk around in convenience stores carrying shotguns? Get the fuck out.
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Atlanta and Chicago may have higher crime rates, but that's got something to do with the fact that certain types don't go to backwards hick towns without getting run off or brutalized.
If you're talking about minorities, no, that's not the case. Rural America, especially in the South, has plenty of black people living in hick towns alongside white people. You'll see a lot more black people sitting at diner counters next to white people in Alabama than you'll see black people sitting next to white people in restaurants in Manhattan.
Yes, you will find more towns like this due to the larger number of minorities. There are still plenty where a minority is better off never stopping in.
That really doesn't make sense. If we're talking about the South, there are few rural areas without any black people. Heck, in places like Mississippi, large parts of rural areas are majority-black. There really aren't any parts of the US where a black person would be in danger based on his race if he stopped to fill up his gas tank.
In any event, white on black murder is pretty rare. Black people are in much higher danger of being murdered or assaulted by another black person than they are by a white person.
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Like was said before there's rural then there's totally off the fucking map.
And its really easy to tell the difference between whats safe and what isn't.
Are people smiling at you and waving? Congrats, you've found a small rural friendly town.
Are people grimacing at you and staring? Stay the fuck away.
The prevalence of firearms is also a pretty good indicator.
Only cops are carrying guns? Not bad.
See a few guys with a gun rack in their vehicle? Better watch it, although they could have just gotten back from hunting or something.
Run into a town like the one my dad worked in in Eastern KY about 20 years ago where people think it's perfectly normal to walk around in convenience stores carrying shotguns? Get the fuck out.
...which is why Kennesaw, Georgia was the murder capitol of the US? Wait, no, it didn't have a single murder for 25 years.
...which is why Kennesaw, Georgia was the murder capitol of the US? Wait, no, it didn't have a single murder for 25 years.
I don't really see what you're getting at here. You're saying a town of 30,000 in the Atlanta suburbs is functionally the same as a town of 1,100 in the middle of BF nowhere Eastern Kentucky?
And that "having a firearm in the home" is the same as "carrying a loaded shotgun in your hands when you go into the gas station"?
EDIT: I'm not talking about gun ownership here. I'm talking about people carrying around guns when they're just doing their daily routine like going to the post office or the grocery store. "The visible prevalence of firearms" would have been a better way to put it.
Yes, you will find more towns like this due to the larger number of minorities. There are still plenty where a minority is better off never stopping in.
Absolutely nothing you said contradicts what I posted right there. Yes, the bulk are racially mixed. No, this does not make every town racially mixed or safe for a minority.
...which is why Kennesaw, Georgia was the murder capitol of the US? Wait, no, it didn't have a single murder for 25 years.
I don't really see what you're getting at here. You're saying a town of 30,000 in the Atlanta suburbs is functionally the same as a town of 1,100 in the middle of BF nowhere Eastern Kentucky?
And that "having a firearm in the home" is the same as "carrying a loaded shotgun in your hands when you go into the gas station"?
We should all be terrified of guns, and gun owners. Every gun will kill you. Everyone who bought a gun wants to kill you. If you see someone with a gun they're trying to kill you. Guns in small towns are the worst, they come with auto-kill enabled, they just fire at anything living without human input. Carrying a gun in public? Obviously only doing it to kill you. There is no other reason for someone in a small town to carry a gun other than to kill anyone who doesn't look like they fit in.
We should all be terrified of guns, and gun owners. Every gun will kill you. Everyone who bought a gun wants to kill you. If you see someone with a gun they're trying to kill you. Guns in small towns are the worst, they come with auto-kill enabled, they just fire at anything living without human input. Carrying a gun in public? Obviously only doing it to kill you. There is no other reason for someone in a small town to carry a gun other than to kill anyone who doesn't look like they fit in.
EDIT: I'm not talking about gun ownership here. I'm talking about people carrying around guns when they're just doing their daily routine like going to the post office or the grocery store. "The visible prevalence of firearms" would have been a better way to put it.
We should all be terrified of guns, and gun owners. Every gun will kill you. Everyone who bought a gun wants to kill you. If you see someone with a gun they're trying to kill you. Guns in small towns are the worst, they come with auto-kill enabled, they just fire at anything living without human input. Carrying a gun in public? Obviously only doing it to kill you. There is no other reason for someone in a small town to carry a gun other than to kill anyone who doesn't look like they fit in.
Stop playing with scarecrows and read my edit.
I read your edit, and my point still stands. There is absolutely no reason to think that someone open carrying in public has anything on their mind other than the fact they value the ability to defend themselves if necessary.
I read your edit, and my point still stands. There is absolutely no reason to think that someone open carrying in public has anything on their mind other than the fact they value the ability to defend themselves if necessary.
Then why did you construct that ridiculous strawman argument? I grew up in a small, rural town and I'm a gun owner myself, thank you very much.
My point is if someone feels the need to carry a lethal weapon around in a fucking gas station because they think they might get shot at in there - indeed, if a sizable percentage of the population feel the need to do so - then it might be prudent to assume that area has a propensity for violence.
I read your edit, and my point still stands. There is absolutely no reason to think that someone open carrying in public has anything on their mind other than the fact they value the ability to defend themselves if necessary.
Then why did you construct that ridiculous strawman argument? I grew up in a small, rural town and I'm a gun owner myself, thank you very much.
My point is if someone feels the need to carry a lethal weapon around in a fucking gas station because they think they might get shot at in there - indeed, if a sizable percentage of the population feel the need to do so - then it might be prudent to assume that area has a propensity for violence.
Because an area where a large percentage of the population is carrying doesn't have a propensity for violence, as (most) criminals aren't stupid enough to attack a person they know is armed.
If you ran into a neighborhood where carrying around firearms in the store like this was common, wouldn't you feel it was at least possible people got shot at there occasionally?
If we're talking about the South, there are few rural areas without any black people.
So are we not counting those rural areas?
What about those areas? The fact that there are few black people in rural West Virginia (due to historic and economic reasons) doesn't really say anything about the safety of those areas for some black guy passing through.
Absolutely nothing you said contradicts what I posted right there. Yes, the bulk are racially mixed. No, this does not make every town racially mixed or safe for a minority.
What's your definition of "safe?" Violent crime victiimization rates in rural areas are lower for all demographics. Do you have any evidence that black people in rural areas are at greater risk of interracial crime? White-on-black crime is pretty rare everywhere in this country.
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Because an area where a large percentage of the population is carrying doesn't have a propensity for violence, as (most) criminals aren't stupid enough to attack a person they know is armed.
Re: Kennesaw, Georgia.
If you can't see the potential difference between a suburb of a major city with a yearly median income of $60,000 and a town out in the middle of nowhere with a median income of $16,000 or so (in a part of the country also known for its epidemic drug problems) then I really don't know what to tell you. What part of the country do you live in?
If you ran into a neighborhood where carrying around firearms in the store like this was common, wouldn't you feel it was at least possible people got shot at there occasionally?
Not really. Long rifles aren't all that useful for self defense. I'd probably just assume it was hunting season.
I'm really not afraid of people who bear arms openly.
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Because an area where a large percentage of the population is carrying doesn't have a propensity for violence, as (most) criminals aren't stupid enough to attack a person they know is armed.
Re: Kennesaw, Georgia.
If you can't see the potential difference between a suburb of a major city with a yearly median income of $60,000 and a town out in the middle of nowhere with a median income of $16,000 or so (in a part of the country also known for its epidemic drug problems) then I really don't know what to tell you. What part of the country do you live in?
Chicago. And I grew up in rural western North Carolina. So I've lived in both types of place.
Guess which place allowed open carry?
Guess which place I didn't mind leaving my doors unlocked and windows open at night?
Atlanta and Chicago may have higher crime rates, but that's got something to do with the fact that certain types don't go to backwards hick towns without getting run off or brutalized.
If you're talking about minorities, no, that's not the case. Rural America, especially in the South, has plenty of black people living in hick towns alongside white people. You'll see a lot more black people sitting at diner counters next to white people in Alabama than you'll see black people sitting next to white people in restaurants in Manhattan.
Yes, you will find more towns like this due to the larger number of minorities. There are still plenty where a minority is better off never stopping in.
That really doesn't make sense. If we're talking about the South, there are few rural areas without any black people. Heck, in places like Mississippi, large parts of rural areas are majority-black. There really aren't any parts of the US where a black person would be in danger based on his race if he stopped to fill up his gas tank.
In any event, white on black murder is pretty rare. Black people are in much higher danger of being murdered or assaulted by another black person than they are by a white person.
I just wanted to chime in: there's 2 small cities in Indiana where any minority DOES NOT stop the car. Doesn't matter how low you are on gas, doesn't matter if it's 3AM and you need a hotel, you keep going.
Lesson: Fucked up racism isn't limited to The South at all.
If you ran into a neighborhood where carrying around firearms in the store like this was common, wouldn't you feel it was at least possible people got shot at there occasionally?
Not really. Long rifles aren't all that useful for self defense. I'd probably just assume it was hunting season.
I'm really not afraid of people who bear arms openly.
Well, I guess I'm going to have to "concede" this argument. I could go into some anecdotes about people getting shot at, robbed, and all kinds of other shit by these kinds of people but of course that's all anecdotal. Just be forewarned that there are parts of the country which are functionally third world countries, and it would be wise for people to avoid them if they aren't familiar with the warning signs.
I would remind everyone that this very topic is about a person who appears to have been murdered simply for being someone the locals considered threatening who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, through no fault of his own.
Not really. Long rifles aren't all that useful for self defense. I'd probably just assume it was hunting season.
I'm really not afraid of people who bear arms openly.
Well, I guess I'm going to have to "concede" this argument. I could go into some anecdotes about people getting shot at, robbed, and all kinds of other shit by these kinds of people but of course that's all anecdotal. Just be forewarned that there are parts of the country which are functionally third world countries, and it would be wise for people to avoid them if they aren't familiar with the warning signs.
I would remind everyone that this very topic is about a person who appears to have been murdered simply for being the wrong person in the wrong place at the wrong time through no fault of his own.
EDIT: I'm not talking about gun ownership here. I'm talking about people carrying around guns when they're just doing their daily routine like going to the post office or the grocery store. "The visible prevalence of firearms" would have been a better way to put it.
Seriously, that guy right there? Crazy.
So, so crazy.
Edit: He's not really crazy.
I saw shit like that all the time when I was vacationing in Switzerland. Blew my mind how comfortable everyone there was with public displays of high-caliber, military-grade assault weaponry like in that picture.
In this case, only government employees need to worry.
Not necessarily. The people who did this are obviously brutal murderers, and I don't think someone capable of doing what they did would be shy about doing it to, say, a social worker or a law enforcement officer (also a government employee but representing something quite different).
I saw shit like that all the time when I was vacationing in Switzerland. Blew my mind how comfortable everyone there was with public displays of high-caliber, military-grade assault weaponry like in that picture.
I saw shit like that all the time when I was in Israel, too.
Know why? Because Israel can get dangerous sometimes.
We were talking about a completely different part of the world with a completely different culture.
Yes rural areas. Where guns are fairly common to their culture. Also, people are far more likely to know each other.
Dude, I grew up in a small town with a big gun/hunting culture, as I've pointed out many times. Lots of kids back in high school would come to class still in their deer hunting Realtree overalls, and I've spent many a fall afternoon blasting the hell out of tin cans and paper targets with my dad. I know the difference between guns being a part of the culture and violence being a part of the culture and people carrying around guns because of it.
In this case, only government employees need to worry.
Not necessarily. The people who did this are obviously brutal murderers, and I don't think someone capable of doing what they did would be shy about doing it to, say, a social worker or a law enforcement officer (also a government employee but representing something quite different).
Actually, all three of those represent the same thing (to people who are anti-government), government intrusion on private lives.
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I saw shit like that all the time when I was vacationing in Switzerland. Blew my mind how comfortable everyone there was with public displays of high-caliber, military-grade assault weaponry like in that picture.
I saw shit like that all the time when I was in Israel, too.
Know why? Because Israel can get dangerous sometimes.
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Not anything anyone's said publicly.
Yeah, they obviously want to withhold as much as they can other than info that might lead to a tip-off. Both to verify the info from any possible informant and to keep the perp in the dark as to anything they might have messed up.
As you noted, rural areas in the US are generally incredibly safe. The only real problem has been the uptick in violence due to the crystal meth epidemic.
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Yes, you will find more towns like this due to the larger number of minorities. There are still plenty where a minority is better off never stopping in.
And its really easy to tell the difference between whats safe and what isn't.
Are people smiling at you and waving? Congrats, you've found a small rural friendly town.
Are people grimacing at you and staring? Stay the fuck away.
Here's a map of murders in DC from 2004-2006. You can see the heavy clustering in Anacostia and a couple of other bad neighborhoods, with almost no other murders in parts of Northwest. Furthermore, the murders tend to heavily involve one demographic- young black men with prior criminal records. We're generally not talking about random killings of respectable citizens.
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The problem of course is when they smile, wave, and then spike your cigar with opium and shanghai you into white slavery.
In any event, white on black murder is pretty rare. Black people are in much higher danger of being murdered or assaulted by another black person than they are by a white person.
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The prevalence of firearms is also a pretty good indicator.
Only cops are carrying guns? Not bad.
See a few guys with a gun rack in their vehicle? Better watch it, although they could have just gotten back from hunting or something.
Run into a town like the one my dad worked in in Eastern KY about 20 years ago where people think it's perfectly normal to walk around in convenience stores carrying shotguns? Get the fuck out.
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And that "having a firearm in the home" is the same as "carrying a loaded shotgun in your hands when you go into the gas station"?
EDIT: I'm not talking about gun ownership here. I'm talking about people carrying around guns when they're just doing their daily routine like going to the post office or the grocery store. "The visible prevalence of firearms" would have been a better way to put it.
So are we not counting those rural areas?
Absolutely nothing you said contradicts what I posted right there. Yes, the bulk are racially mixed. No, this does not make every town racially mixed or safe for a minority.
Seriously, that guy right there? Crazy.
So, so crazy.
Edit: He's not really crazy.
My point is if someone feels the need to carry a lethal weapon around in a fucking gas station because they think they might get shot at in there - indeed, if a sizable percentage of the population feel the need to do so - then it might be prudent to assume that area has a propensity for violence.
Re: Kennesaw, Georgia.
What's your definition of "safe?" Violent crime victiimization rates in rural areas are lower for all demographics. Do you have any evidence that black people in rural areas are at greater risk of interracial crime? White-on-black crime is pretty rare everywhere in this country.
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I'm really not afraid of people who bear arms openly.
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Guess which place allowed open carry?
Guess which place I didn't mind leaving my doors unlocked and windows open at night?
I just wanted to chime in: there's 2 small cities in Indiana where any minority DOES NOT stop the car. Doesn't matter how low you are on gas, doesn't matter if it's 3AM and you need a hotel, you keep going.
Lesson: Fucked up racism isn't limited to The South at all.
In Switzerland? No, not really.
I would remind everyone that this very topic is about a person who appears to have been murdered simply for being someone the locals considered threatening who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, through no fault of his own.
We were talking about a completely different part of the world with a completely different culture.
In this case, only government employees need to worry.
Yes rural areas. Where guns are fairly common to their culture. Also, people are far more likely to know each other.
Know why? Because Israel can get dangerous sometimes.
Dude, I grew up in a small town with a big gun/hunting culture, as I've pointed out many times. Lots of kids back in high school would come to class still in their deer hunting Realtree overalls, and I've spent many a fall afternoon blasting the hell out of tin cans and paper targets with my dad. I know the difference between guns being a part of the culture and violence being a part of the culture and people carrying around guns because of it.