Is this how other people feel about Achewood? I never really found this particular comic that funny. It's as if I'm aware of the existence of the punchline, but I can't quite pull myself over to the "it's funny" side. Maybe I don't fully 'get it.'
Is this how people who defend Achewood feel? I feel like reaching through my monitor and batting you over the head.
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An American Carol is as bad as you could ever imagine from reading a quick description. christtttttttTTTTTTTT
everyone in this movie can fucking die in a fire. It's attempting to be political, and the jokes that make any sense to their worldview are both terribly unfunny and awful arguments. the rest are either coming from nowhere or from the other side, and are still themselves awful jokes.
wow, their argument before they bring in three ghosts (going to be changing before that) is told in a scene reminiscent of The Sandlot, with JFK stepping out of the TV, talking to fake Michael Moore to make sure he listens to the rest of his speech, then saying part of his speech ("oppose all foes") while looking into the camera.
it seems like a movie someone from here would make to make fun of how bad conservatives are at comedy. also there is a Farley in it and I don't believe their acting consists of anything but mimicking Christ Farley and despise them in anything, but that might be an irrational thing.
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You're sitting in your chair and decide to get up to go to the bathroom. You get up, go and come back, only to find yourself still sitting in the chair. The you in the chair seems as alarmed as you are, but you're both certain that the other is also you.
WHAT DO THE BOTH OF YOU DO?
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You're sitting in your chair and decide to get up to go to the bathroom. You get up, go and come back, only to find yourself still sitting in the chair. The you in the chair seems as alarmed as you are, but you're both certain that the other is also you.
Is this how other people feel about Achewood? I never really found this particular comic that funny. It's as if I'm aware of the existence of the punchline, but I can't quite pull myself over to the "it's funny" side. Maybe I don't fully 'get it.'
Is this how people who defend Achewood feel? I feel like reaching through my monitor and batting you over the head.
I don't defend it, exactly. And maybe it seemed inconsiderate how I phrased what I said. It certainly wasn't meant to sound conceited.
I've heard criticisms about the comic that the jokes aren't obvious, and for that it's retarded. I generally feel the same about Hark! A Vagrant. Not that it's retarded. I don't have the muster to be so belligerent. I just don't generally enjoy them is all. I was merely commenting on my supposition that the feelings are comparable.
You're sitting in your chair and decide to get up to go to the bathroom. You get up, go and come back, only to find yourself still sitting in the chair. The you in the chair seems as alarmed as you are, but you're both certain that the other is also you.
WHAT DO THE BOTH OF YOU DO?
This is an H/A thread if I ever saw one.
Edit: Also, TimeSplitters: Future Perfect tournament. May the best me win.
You're sitting in your chair and decide to get up to go to the bathroom. You get up, go and come back, only to find yourself still sitting in the chair. The you in the chair seems as alarmed as you are, but you're both certain that the other is also you.
WHAT DO THE BOTH OF YOU DO?
First of all we wait it out to see if one of us goes away. A few days, maybe a week.
Then we decide to split work days. And we definitely help each other study. We also invest in a bigger TV so we can split screen. Having an exact copy of yourself is, like, the perfect way for testing game balance, if not your own mettle.
And we'd probably think of clever ways to commit crimes.
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It took me a while to discover that non-profits aren't just charities with volunteers.
That too.
Honestly, it makes me wonder what the world would be like if all the companies in it were required to function as not for profit. I mean, reinvesting your proceeds into your people or some R&D rather than pay out a quarter to a stockholder just seems like the most sensible thing for a company to do...but most of them don't.
Pretty much this. Put simply, a piece of stock is a loan that can never be repaid. It's really kind of a terrible idea - and the fact that we call buying stock "investment" when, unless you're actually buying it from the company, it's nothing of the kind - just makes it worse.
It is not a loan, it is a (much divided) piece of ownership.
The real problem is when governance no longer responds to the owners (that is, everyone with stock)
That's the semantic distinction that the market is founded on, yeah - but stock is issued, by and large, to raise money for the company, but through an accident of history people who buy it are treated as owners rather than bondholders.
Economies are grown through productive investment, which is to say, by taking unused land, labor, and capital and turning them into productive enterprises. The big problem with our system is that we've convinced ourselves that swapping infinitesimal bits of ownership - which really serve as proxy bets on the profitability of a given company - counts as investment, but it doesn't. If I buy a piece of IBM or Union Carbide, IBM isn't getting that money to use to expand their operations, the money is going to a guy who bought stock from a guy who bought stock from a guy...the actual act of investment happened decades or even a century ago.
The thing is that having all these pieces of ownership - pieces of debt owed by a company to random people around the world - distorts the decisionmaking process. Everything a public company does is done on behalf of people who have very often never contributed a single dime or drop of sweat to its operation. Nobody is surprised when a shopkeeper does something bad that benefits himself, it's an understandable slice of human nature, but corporations do things that are terrible to the people who comprise them for the benefit of other people who don't!
What I'd do in Jacobtopia is offer zero-interest government loans to public corporations to buy back their stock en masse, with future profits to be distributed equitably among employees. Tax breaks for investment would be tightened to only include actual investment - the transformation of inputs into productive goods - rather than what is essentially a vast legalized system of zero-sum transfer payments.
I don't think you can expect the market to actually survive that.
And honestly, corporations do equally terrible things to the stockholders (that is, the people who actually comprise the company, not the employees) due to the absolutely horrific standards of corporate governance in this country, largely for the benefit of the few stockholders and employees who actually govern the company.
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edited December 2009
The required knowledgebase is different.
In Beaton's case it's history.
In Onstad's case it's poetry as recited by dogs-who-have-the-informed-attribute-of-cat.
the weirdest dreams you have are invariably the ones which sort of make sense, but not really
because they're coherent enough to remember clearly, and the details just confuse you all the more in retrospect
like i dreamed up a mystery story about a grizzled detective who took in a one-legged black boy who witnessed a scissor murder in an alleyway, and when the black boy called out the killer all the people were blank paper rabbit cutouts, and the boy's rabbit was made of black paper and holding a paper crutch
and it had a commercial break that consisted of a lone woman singing the following lyrics:
who will go dancing, oh who will go dancing with me?
(who will go dancing and who will go dancing)
and who will say gopher, and who will say gopher, too?
(who will say gopher and who will say gopher
freud's beard would probably catch fire if he had to deal with shit like that on a daily basis
You're sitting in your chair and decide to get up to go to the bathroom. You get up, go and come back, only to find yourself still sitting in the chair. The you in the chair seems as alarmed as you are, but you're both certain that the other is also you.
WHAT DO THE BOTH OF YOU DO?
First of all we wait it out to see if one of us goes away. A few days, maybe a week.
Then we decide to split work days. And we definitely help each other study. We also invest in a bigger TV so we can split screen. Having an exact copy of yourself is, like, the perfect way for testing game balance, if not your own mettle.
And we'd probably think of clever ways to commit crimes.
I have no idea what the police would do if they found both airtight evidence and an airtight alibi. I probably wouldn't risk it with crimes.
Also, Greeper is, like, inside my brain. The very first thing I would do is walk over to myself and start making out. I'd kiss passionately for 30 seconds straight, pull away, look deep into my eyes and shout: "YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD" in perfect unison.
Edit: This is the best top of the page ever.
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I don't think you can expect the market to actually survive that.
What market? The stock market? I'd rather it didn't. It's like we came up with the perfect way to alienate not only laborers from the product of their labor but investors from the realities of their investment.
If you mean the economy at large, well, I obviously disagree. While I understand the need for trained management I do think that the people doing the work in any organization are probably better-equipped to make decisions about it than boardmembers whose only qualification is the utterly arbitrary one that they happen to own a bunch of the company's debt.
You're sitting in your chair and decide to get up to go to the bathroom. You get up, go and come back, only to find yourself still sitting in the chair. The you in the chair seems as alarmed as you are, but you're both certain that the other is also you.
WHAT DO THE BOTH OF YOU DO?
Encourage the second me to move out. Sure, duplicate mes sound like a good idea, but where will he sleep? What's the food budget going to be like. Also, read the part of Red Dwarf: Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers which covers the Episode "Me^2" for why living with yourself isn't necessarily the best thing.
Now if I could split and reform myself at will, I'd get at least five or six jobs.
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I find the stock market disconcerting: It feels like it spins money into existance because you believe enough, and yet if enough people doubt, then it vanishes with a small puff of smoke.
The stock market really needs to be turned on its head.
Like, bare minimum, we need to get rid of anything but basic bonds and stock trading. Derivatives trading is primarily just regulation-dodging.
What would be the arguments of someone who is against your opinion. I like playing devil's advocate for purely intellectual and academic reasons, but in economics, I'm out of my field, so I need someone else to do it for me.
I find the stock market disconcerting: It feels like it spins money into existance because you believe enough, and yet if enough people doubt, then it vanishes with a small puff of smoke.
and if it vanishes anyway, then that is in no way the fault of the small handful of businessmen who have suddenly and inexplicably become several billion dollars richer
I find the stock market disconcerting: It feels like it spins money into existance because you believe enough, and yet if enough people doubt, then it vanishes with a small puff of smoke.
That's how money works.
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The stock market really needs to be turned on its head.
Like, bare minimum, we need to get rid of anything but basic bonds and stock trading. Derivatives trading is primarily just regulation-dodging.
What would be the arguments of someone who is against your opinion. I like playing devil's advocate for purely intellectual and academic reasons, but in economics, I'm out of my field, so I need someone else to do it for me.
I think the counter-argument is to indicate that Than provided no evidence, citations, predicent, or anything resembling a logical argument to support his position. He just sort of says it.
I find the stock market disconcerting: It feels like it spins money into existance because you believe enough, and yet if enough people doubt, then it vanishes with a small puff of smoke.
and if it vanishes anyway, then that is in no way the fault of the small handful of businessmen who have suddenly and inexplicably become several billion dollars richer
As little as I know, I still feel that this is a massive simplification of how things work, not just obviously, but the feeling that even essentially or "at core" the stock market works like this is wrong.
You're sitting in your chair and decide to get up to go to the bathroom. You get up, go and come back, only to find yourself still sitting in the chair. The you in the chair seems as alarmed as you are, but you're both certain that the other is also you.
WHAT DO THE BOTH OF YOU DO?
Encourage the second me to move out. Sure, duplicate mes sound like a good idea, but where will he sleep? What's the food budget going to be like. Also, read the part of Red Dwarf: Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers which covers the Episode "Me^2" for why living with yourself isn't necessarily the best thing.
Now if I could split and reform myself at will, I'd get at least five or six jobs.
You are my new best friend. Do let's be friends, oh please!
The stock market really needs to be turned on its head.
Like, bare minimum, we need to get rid of anything but basic bonds and stock trading. Derivatives trading is primarily just regulation-dodging.
What would be the arguments of someone who is against your opinion. I like playing devil's advocate for purely intellectual and academic reasons, but in economics, I'm out of my field, so I need someone else to do it for me.
I think the counter-argument is to indicate that Than provided no evidence, citations, predicent, or anything resembling a logical argument to support his position. He just sort of says it.
Which is what we call an "opinion".
Than has his reasons, I presume. He didn't ask his paper 4-way claw thing. Or whatever the fuck it's called.
"Pick a number! 5...4...3...2...1... Now pick a color! P...I...N...K... You want to reimagine the stock market!"
I find the stock market disconcerting: It feels like it spins money into existance because you believe enough, and yet if enough people doubt, then it vanishes with a small puff of smoke.
and if it vanishes anyway, then that is in no way the fault of the small handful of businessmen who have suddenly and inexplicably become several billion dollars richer
As little as I know, I still feel that this is a massive simplification of how things work, not just obviously, but the feeling that even essentially or "at core" the stock market works like this is wrong.
Okay, I'm always willing to dispel my misgivings about stuff: How does it really work?
You're sitting in your chair and decide to get up to go to the bathroom. You get up, go and come back, only to find yourself still sitting in the chair. The you in the chair seems as alarmed as you are, but you're both certain that the other is also you.
WHAT DO THE BOTH OF YOU DO?
Encourage the second me to move out. Sure, duplicate mes sound like a good idea, but where will he sleep? What's the food budget going to be like. Also, read the part of Red Dwarf: Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers which covers the Episode "Me^2" for why living with yourself isn't necessarily the best thing.
Now if I could split and reform myself at will, I'd get at least five or six jobs.
You are my new best friend. Do let's be friends, oh please!
Why the sudden affection? It it because of my m4d Dw4rf3r sk1llz?
I find the stock market disconcerting: It feels like it spins money into existance because you believe enough, and yet if enough people doubt, then it vanishes with a small puff of smoke.
and if it vanishes anyway, then that is in no way the fault of the small handful of businessmen who have suddenly and inexplicably become several billion dollars richer
As little as I know, I still feel that this is a massive simplification of how things work, not just obviously, but the feeling that even essentially or "at core" the stock market works like this is wrong.
Okay, I'm always willing to dispel my misgivings about stuff: How does it really work?
I don't know. I'm just always cautious when anything seems too simple. Especially something run by hundreds or thousands of adults with Ivy League educations who've grown up in another world just so tehy can deal with this shit. It's not the I envy or idolize them.
It's probably more that I resent or even dislike the hicks who get a hard-on for badmouthing anything outside their intellectual bounds.
I find the stock market disconcerting: It feels like it spins money into existance because you believe enough, and yet if enough people doubt, then it vanishes with a small puff of smoke.
and if it vanishes anyway, then that is in no way the fault of the small handful of businessmen who have suddenly and inexplicably become several billion dollars richer
As little as I know, I still feel that this is a massive simplification of how things work, not just obviously, but the feeling that even essentially or "at core" the stock market works like this is wrong.
Okay, I'm always willing to dispel my misgivings about stuff: How does it really work?
I don't know. I'm just always cautious when anything seems too simple. Especially something run by hundreds or thousands of adults with Ivy League educations who've grown up in another world just so tehy can deal with this shit. It's not the I envy or idolize them.
It's probably more that I resent or even dislike the hicks who get a hard-on for badmouthing anything outside their intellectual bounds.
except that in cases like this a lot of the "complications" are needless obfuscation to make things look more complex than they really are
Would you say you honestly believe that bureaucracy is arbitrary, pointless obfuscations? Maybe, upon close examination, pointless obstacles appear, but I have a very hard time believing that at any time did someone intentionally create a hurdle for the sole purpose of creating hurdles. They had reasons, maybe foolish ones, but hardly would I believe malicious. Not that it's probably never happened that someone did something just to make things harder, but... Truthfully, I'm not really responding to you guys. I guess I'm venting. I live in a very... frustrating place. I do not like my neighborhood.
It's like the people that get upset if you use "big words."
"Well fuck you," I say, "Different words mean different things, and the reason we have different words and definitions for terms is to ease the fucking process of communication. It's not just to talk over your head, it's so that we can talk about specific phenomenon without having to re-de-fucking-fine 'That other thing' all the damn time."
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Is this how people who defend Achewood feel? I feel like reaching through my monitor and batting you over the head.
everyone in this movie can fucking die in a fire. It's attempting to be political, and the jokes that make any sense to their worldview are both terribly unfunny and awful arguments. the rest are either coming from nowhere or from the other side, and are still themselves awful jokes.
wow, their argument before they bring in three ghosts (going to be changing before that) is told in a scene reminiscent of The Sandlot, with JFK stepping out of the TV, talking to fake Michael Moore to make sure he listens to the rest of his speech, then saying part of his speech ("oppose all foes") while looking into the camera.
it seems like a movie someone from here would make to make fun of how bad conservatives are at comedy. also there is a Farley in it and I don't believe their acting consists of anything but mimicking Christ Farley and despise them in anything, but that might be an irrational thing.
WHAT DO THE BOTH OF YOU DO?
rare chance to make out with myself
I don't defend it, exactly. And maybe it seemed inconsiderate how I phrased what I said. It certainly wasn't meant to sound conceited.
I've heard criticisms about the comic that the jokes aren't obvious, and for that it's retarded. I generally feel the same about Hark! A Vagrant. Not that it's retarded. I don't have the muster to be so belligerent. I just don't generally enjoy them is all. I was merely commenting on my supposition that the feelings are comparable.
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This is an H/A thread if I ever saw one.
Edit: Also, TimeSplitters: Future Perfect tournament. May the best me win.
First of all we wait it out to see if one of us goes away. A few days, maybe a week.
Then we decide to split work days. And we definitely help each other study. We also invest in a bigger TV so we can split screen. Having an exact copy of yourself is, like, the perfect way for testing game balance, if not your own mettle.
And we'd probably think of clever ways to commit crimes.
I don't think you can expect the market to actually survive that.
And honestly, corporations do equally terrible things to the stockholders (that is, the people who actually comprise the company, not the employees) due to the absolutely horrific standards of corporate governance in this country, largely for the benefit of the few stockholders and employees who actually govern the company.
In Beaton's case it's history.
In Onstad's case it's poetry as recited by dogs-who-have-the-informed-attribute-of-cat.
because they're coherent enough to remember clearly, and the details just confuse you all the more in retrospect
like i dreamed up a mystery story about a grizzled detective who took in a one-legged black boy who witnessed a scissor murder in an alleyway, and when the black boy called out the killer all the people were blank paper rabbit cutouts, and the boy's rabbit was made of black paper and holding a paper crutch
and it had a commercial break that consisted of a lone woman singing the following lyrics:
freud's beard would probably catch fire if he had to deal with shit like that on a daily basis
Also best t-shirt ever.
I have no idea what the police would do if they found both airtight evidence and an airtight alibi. I probably wouldn't risk it with crimes.
Also, Greeper is, like, inside my brain. The very first thing I would do is walk over to myself and start making out. I'd kiss passionately for 30 seconds straight, pull away, look deep into my eyes and shout: "YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD" in perfect unison.
Edit: This is the best top of the page ever.
What market? The stock market? I'd rather it didn't. It's like we came up with the perfect way to alienate not only laborers from the product of their labor but investors from the realities of their investment.
If you mean the economy at large, well, I obviously disagree. While I understand the need for trained management I do think that the people doing the work in any organization are probably better-equipped to make decisions about it than boardmembers whose only qualification is the utterly arbitrary one that they happen to own a bunch of the company's debt.
Encourage the second me to move out. Sure, duplicate mes sound like a good idea, but where will he sleep? What's the food budget going to be like. Also, read the part of Red Dwarf: Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers which covers the Episode "Me^2" for why living with yourself isn't necessarily the best thing.
Now if I could split and reform myself at will, I'd get at least five or six jobs.
In the most pedantic way possible, yes.
Like, bare minimum, we need to get rid of anything but basic bonds and stock trading. Derivatives trading is primarily just regulation-dodging.
What would be the arguments of someone who is against your opinion. I like playing devil's advocate for purely intellectual and academic reasons, but in economics, I'm out of my field, so I need someone else to do it for me.
and if it vanishes anyway, then that is in no way the fault of the small handful of businessmen who have suddenly and inexplicably become several billion dollars richer
That's how money works.
Arch,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_goGR39m2k
I think the counter-argument is to indicate that Than provided no evidence, citations, predicent, or anything resembling a logical argument to support his position. He just sort of says it.
Which is what we can an "opinion".
As little as I know, I still feel that this is a massive simplification of how things work, not just obviously, but the feeling that even essentially or "at core" the stock market works like this is wrong.
You are my new best friend. Do let's be friends, oh please!
Than has his reasons, I presume. He didn't ask his paper 4-way claw thing. Or whatever the fuck it's called.
"Pick a number! 5...4...3...2...1... Now pick a color! P...I...N...K... You want to reimagine the stock market!"
And I simply asked him to provide counter-points.
Okay, I'm always willing to dispel my misgivings about stuff: How does it really work?
It exists because we collectively agree it exists.
Why the sudden affection? It it because of my m4d Dw4rf3r sk1llz?
I don't know. I'm just always cautious when anything seems too simple. Especially something run by hundreds or thousands of adults with Ivy League educations who've grown up in another world just so tehy can deal with this shit. It's not the I envy or idolize them.
It's probably more that I resent or even dislike the hicks who get a hard-on for badmouthing anything outside their intellectual bounds.
except that in cases like this a lot of the "complications" are needless obfuscation to make things look more complex than they really are
that's what bureaucracy is
Here is a perfect illustration of what I mean.
Would you say you honestly believe that bureaucracy is arbitrary, pointless obfuscations? Maybe, upon close examination, pointless obstacles appear, but I have a very hard time believing that at any time did someone intentionally create a hurdle for the sole purpose of creating hurdles. They had reasons, maybe foolish ones, but hardly would I believe malicious. Not that it's probably never happened that someone did something just to make things harder, but... Truthfully, I'm not really responding to you guys. I guess I'm venting. I live in a very... frustrating place. I do not like my neighborhood.
It's like the people that get upset if you use "big words."
"Well fuck you," I say, "Different words mean different things, and the reason we have different words and definitions for terms is to ease the fucking process of communication. It's not just to talk over your head, it's so that we can talk about specific phenomenon without having to re-de-fucking-fine 'That other thing' all the damn time."
Cynic is too generous.
Paranoid too harsh.