Anyway, just promise me that you'll all feel stupid when you find out I'm just a villager.
I know I won't. As you mentioned, it would have been easier to save yourself. And Dunadumb's theory doesn't take into consideration two villagers for 1st/2nd last night.
Actually, my bad. That wasn't Dunadan, I'm thinking of The_Reflection. It was Reflection that went on a tirade about how boring Phalla is if you're not a special. My bad.
Since early childhood, I have often confused Sharks and Robots...
Actually, my bad. That wasn't Dunadan, I'm thinking of The_Reflection. It was Reflection that went on a tirade about how boring Phalla is if you're not a special. My bad.
Since early childhood, I have often confused Sharks and Robots...
Ah yes, I remember that. Which one was that? Whedonverse? That was a fun game.
But yeah, I hate that frame of mind and the argument that always ensues from it.
So the fact that I didn't care to vote for LoserForHire means nothing, whereas claiming to be indifferent is damning?
Seriously, how is it sound mafia strategy to let Protoman vote in your defense while you yourself let the matter slide? Any of you who've been mafia know that it's more likely that you'll vote for your teammates than try to break their bandwagon.
So the fact that I didn't care to vote for LoserForHire means nothing, whereas claiming to be indifferent is damning?
Seriously, how is it sound mafia strategy to let Protoman vote in your defense while you yourself let the matter slide? Any of you who've been mafia know that it's more likely that you'll vote for your teammates than try to break their bandwagon.
If you claim you were too indifferent to save yourself, it doesn't matter what your role is, you've already gave a reason why you didn't vote Loser to save yourself. So yes, it does mean nothing.
Actually, my bad. That wasn't Dunadan, I'm thinking of The_Reflection. It was Reflection that went on a tirade about how boring Phalla is if you're not a special. My bad.
Since early childhood, I have often confused Sharks and Robots...
Ah yes, I remember that. Which one was that? Whedonverse? That was a fun game.
But yeah, I hate that frame of mind and the argument that always ensues from it.
It's not that I'm bored. It's that I know I'm going to be voted out sooner or later if there's a bandwagon on me on day one. The only times this hasn't been the case is when I've revealed as a Seer and, strangely enough, in Telephone phalla when I actually was a mafia.
I knew i couldn't actually defend myself on day one since, you know, it was day one and there was nothing to use in my defense. Now, on day two, I'm defending myself by contradicting the notion that Delmain would vote in my defense if I was mafia. I don't think that's the case.
That said, I don't expect to change anyone's minds and I know my death won't be a serious blow to the village, so I'm not going to fight as hard as I usually do.
For future reference, though, Dunadan has played enough games with me to know that it's really easy to start a bandwagon against me. if he was mafia, it might make sense to vote against me in order to start that bandwagon and stall the village for another day.
That said, this doesn't necessarily mean he's mafia. To determine that, think about whether or not he seemed to have a good reason to cast that initial vote against me.
Also, bear in mind that unlike most of you, he doesn't suspect me of being mafia in every game we play.
For future reference, though, Dunadan has played enough games with me to know that it's really easy to start a bandwagon against me. if he was mafia, it might make sense to vote against me in order to start that bandwagon and stall the village for another day.
That said, this doesn't necessarily mean he's mafia. To determine that, think about whether or not he seemed to have a good reason to cast that initial vote against me.
Also, bear in mind that unlike most of you, he doesn't suspect me of being mafia in every game we play.
I don't either! Really though, Dunadan tends to just throw out accusations that are completely unfounded, confidently said, and usually wrong (<3 Duny!). The fact that... you know, there's a reason this time is kind of shocking.
And it's not a very bad reason either. Not particularly good, but meh, it's day two.
I'm still waiting on two mafia to reveal themselves to me. Please do so quickly as I am pretty busy today and might not be able to tell the thread to vote you out if you don't reveal in a timely fashion.
Also, you know, anyone with powers and such should contact me.
I'd just like to add, on a personal note, most of you who have contacted me so far have been terribly unhelpful.
Also, I'm sorry if it came off like I was bitching about just being a vanillager. I've enjoyed being a vanillager in the past, and I could easily do so again.
I just think it'd be a waste of energy to try and convince people not to vote for me. In my experience, there's nothing I can do about that, so it seems to make more sense to just resign myself.
For future reference, though, Dunadan has played enough games with me to know that it's really easy to start a bandwagon against me. if he was mafia, it might make sense to vote against me in order to start that bandwagon and stall the village for another day.
That said, this doesn't necessarily mean he's mafia. To determine that, think about whether or not he seemed to have a good reason to cast that initial vote against me.
Also, bear in mind that unlike most of you, he doesn't suspect me of being mafia in every game we play.
I don't either! Really though, Dunadan tends to just throw out accusations that are completely unfounded, confidently said, and usually wrong (<3 Duny!). The fact that... you know, there's a reason this time is kind of shocking.
And it's not a very bad reason either. Not particularly good, but meh, it's day two.
All right Robos, three (or more?) edits on that earlier post, really? I shouldn't have to scroll up to see what the conversation is going to look like for people reading it later!
Robos, this is getting so ridiculous that I will be very surprised if you do not turn up village idiot
It's amazing that everyone keeps forgetting that this same exact situation has played out over so many other mafia games, excepting of course the two instances where I was actually a mafia.
1). A bandwagon starts on me for no reason.
2). I attempt to defend myself.
3). Defending myself somehow confirms everyone's suspicions, and the bandwagon becomes unanimous.
Never once have you people been right. Maybe my behavior is erratic and grating, but surely you ought to know by now that that's just how I always am, not an indication of guilt.
Robos, this is getting so ridiculous that I will be very surprised if you do not turn up village idiot
It's amazing that everyone keeps forgetting that this same exact situation has played out over so many other mafia games, excepting of course the two instances where I was actually a mafia.
1). A bandwagon starts on me for no reason.
2). I attempt to defend myself.
3). Defending myself somehow confirms everyone's suspicions, and the bandwagon becomes unanimous.
Never once have you people been right. Maybe my behavior is erratic and grating, but surely you ought to know by now that that's just how I always am, not an indication of guilt.
What do you mean, "you people," ? :P
There's a fairly good reason for this bandwagoning. Your argument that you should have just voted for Loser yourself if you were mafia assumes that you were actually present between the time things tied up and Delmain voted for Loser. Which, going by your 12:00 post, you weren't. It's easily possible that Delmain tried to save you, since him switching his vote back would generate less suspicion than one of the other mafia members suddenly stepping in.
As a side note, Delmain's ghost-post "I knew this was gonna happen" sounds (to me) as if he's trying to convince us he knew he was getting vig'd, and threw away his vote on you (edit: to trick us into bandwagoning you.) Which is unlikely, unless Garroad contacted him to see if he was a special first.
Finally, you threw out a post claiming to be the vig if Kias died. While it's a long shot, it could have been correct, considering a few people grudged Kias coming into this game. Then, you edited the post so it read more like a joke.
Sorry, but from my point of view you're likely mafia, and at worst, just an unhelpful villager.
It's always so hard to get a handle on who is what in these games. So much history between the players I feel like it will be awhile before I can wrap my head around all the relationships and grudges.
However there seem to be some good points out there and I don't want to be seen an unfashionable so...
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There's a fairly good reason for this bandwagoning. Your argument that you should have just voted for Loser yourself if you were mafia assumes that you were actually present between the time things tied up and Delmain voted for Loser. Which, going by your 12:00 post, you weren't. It's easily possible that Delmain tried to save you, since him switching his vote back would generate less suspicion than one of the other mafia members suddenly stepping in.
For future reference, though, Dunadan has played enough games with me to know that it's really easy to start a bandwagon against me. if he was mafia, it might make sense to vote against me in order to start that bandwagon and stall the village for another day.
That said, this doesn't necessarily mean he's mafia. To determine that, think about whether or not he seemed to have a good reason to cast that initial vote against me.
Also, bear in mind that unlike most of you, he doesn't suspect me of being mafia in every game we play.
I don't either! Really though, Dunadan tends to just throw out accusations that are completely unfounded, confidently said, and usually wrong (<3 Duny!). The fact that... you know, there's a reason this time is kind of shocking.
And it's not a very bad reason either. Not particularly good, but meh, it's day two.
Yeah, I was very shocked that Dunadan illustrated a real reason... almost to the point of trusting his reasoning without checking myself . The only flaw is that Delmain originally did vote for Loser, then changed it to BL and back to Loser. Still, better than anything we've got so far.
If you are a good special and do not contact me within the next three hours or so, there's an extremely good chance you will become the sole reason for a village loss and have to deal with all the ensuing grudges.
There's a fairly good reason for this bandwagoning. Your argument that you should have just voted for Loser yourself if you were mafia assumes that you were actually present between the time things tied up and Delmain voted for Loser. Which, going by your 12:00 post, you weren't. It's easily possible that Delmain tried to save you, since him switching his vote back would generate less suspicion than one of the other mafia members suddenly stepping in.
okay. I assumed you weren't there because normally when you're on your post count is much higher. That being said, my other reasons still make sense to me, and I think you're the best lead.
There's a fairly good reason for this bandwagoning. Your argument that you should have just voted for Loser yourself if you were mafia assumes that you were actually present between the time things tied up and Delmain voted for Loser. Which, going by your 12:00 post, you weren't. It's easily possible that Delmain tried to save you, since him switching his vote back would generate less suspicion than one of the other mafia members suddenly stepping in.
I dunno, there's a few people I want to vote for on account of they're really dangerous people to have as mafia, but I'm gonna stick with the single, thin strand of reasoning that we do have.
For future reference, though, Dunadan has played enough games with me to know that it's really easy to start a bandwagon against me. if he was mafia, it might make sense to vote against me in order to start that bandwagon and stall the village for another day.
That said, this doesn't necessarily mean he's mafia. To determine that, think about whether or not he seemed to have a good reason to cast that initial vote against me.
Also, bear in mind that unlike most of you, he doesn't suspect me of being mafia in every game we play.
I don't either! Really though, Dunadan tends to just throw out accusations that are completely unfounded, confidently said, and usually wrong (<3 Duny!). The fact that... you know, there's a reason this time is kind of shocking.
And it's not a very bad reason either. Not particularly good, but meh, it's day two.
Yeah, I was very shocked that Dunadan illustrated a real reason... almost to the point of trusting his reasoning without checking myself . The only flaw is that Delmain originally did vote for Loser, then changed it to BL and back to Loser. Still, better than anything we've got so far.
Also Kime, you're still forgetting your :whistle:
I gave a real reason begrudgingly.
normally giving a real reason would require me to give all of my knowledge on the phalla and then include all of what I know about deception in a single post.
and my fingers get tired real quick.
this time, It just so happens that voting robos out is so obvious that I can give a short reason without having to go into too much background or theory. even if he is a vanillager as he claims, the circumstances of the vote are too fishy to ignore.
There's a fairly good reason for this bandwagoning. Your argument that you should have just voted for Loser yourself if you were mafia assumes that you were actually present between the time things tied up and Delmain voted for Loser. Which, going by your 12:00 post, you weren't. It's easily possible that Delmain tried to save you, since him switching his vote back would generate less suspicion than one of the other mafia members suddenly stepping in.
I dunno, there's a few people I want to vote for on account of they're really dangerous people to have as mafia, but I'm gonna stick with the single, thin strand of reasoning that we do have.
There's a fairly good reason for this bandwagoning. Your argument that you should have just voted for Loser yourself if you were mafia assumes that you were actually present between the time things tied up and Delmain voted for Loser. Which, going by your 12:00 post, you weren't. It's easily possible that Delmain tried to save you, since him switching his vote back would generate less suspicion than one of the other mafia members suddenly stepping in.
I dunno, there's a few people I want to vote for on account of they're really dangerous people to have as mafia, but I'm gonna stick with the single, thin strand of reasoning that we do have.
Robos A Go Go
I read this as: I'm killing Dunadan tonight.
It's a self fulfilling prophesy.
You're right of course. That's why I have to kill you.
I think you dudes have a bad habit of mistaking weird behavior for mafia behavior.
I didn't base the vote on your behavior at all.
when a mafia member dies without knowing he's going to die and then breaks a tie close to vote close resulting in someone elses death, the smart thing to do is look at the other person. especially when usually the person who breaks said tie is suspicious and ties sometimes kill both people which is good for the mafia and if neither tries to defend themselves from a day 1 vote in a vanilla game, it means that neither is special which if they are both innocent the mafia can then narrow down their suspects for specials by 1 person.... so why break the tie?
There's a fairly good reason for this bandwagoning. Your argument that you should have just voted for Loser yourself if you were mafia assumes that you were actually present between the time things tied up and Delmain voted for Loser. Which, going by your 12:00 post, you weren't. It's easily possible that Delmain tried to save you, since him switching his vote back would generate less suspicion than one of the other mafia members suddenly stepping in.
I dunno, there's a few people I want to vote for on account of they're really dangerous people to have as mafia, but I'm gonna stick with the single, thin strand of reasoning that we do have.
Robos A Go Go
I read this as: I'm killing Dunadan tonight.
It's a self fulfilling prophesy.
You're right of course. That's why I have to kill you.
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Uh, if I was mafia, I'd have bothered to save myself with my own vote instead of waiting for a fellow mafia to save me.
I didn't because I'm not really invested in this game right now, partly because I don't have a cool role.
Anyway, just promise me that you'll all feel stupid when you find out I'm just a villager.
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I know I won't. As you mentioned, it would have been easier to save yourself. And Dunadumb's theory doesn't take into consideration two villagers for 1st/2nd last night.
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The Dunadan Defense?
Since early childhood, I have often confused Sharks and Robots...
Ah yes, I remember that. Which one was that? Whedonverse? That was a fun game.
But yeah, I hate that frame of mind and the argument that always ensues from it.
Seriously, how is it sound mafia strategy to let Protoman vote in your defense while you yourself let the matter slide? Any of you who've been mafia know that it's more likely that you'll vote for your teammates than try to break their bandwagon.
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It's not that I'm bored. It's that I know I'm going to be voted out sooner or later if there's a bandwagon on me on day one. The only times this hasn't been the case is when I've revealed as a Seer and, strangely enough, in Telephone phalla when I actually was a mafia.
I knew i couldn't actually defend myself on day one since, you know, it was day one and there was nothing to use in my defense. Now, on day two, I'm defending myself by contradicting the notion that Delmain would vote in my defense if I was mafia. I don't think that's the case.
That said, I don't expect to change anyone's minds and I know my death won't be a serious blow to the village, so I'm not going to fight as hard as I usually do.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
That said, this doesn't necessarily mean he's mafia. To determine that, think about whether or not he seemed to have a good reason to cast that initial vote against me.
Also, bear in mind that unlike most of you, he doesn't suspect me of being mafia in every game we play.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
And it's not a very bad reason either. Not particularly good, but meh, it's day two.
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But on the other hand, I've never actually known mafia to be vehemently for voting me out. Usually it's just misguided villagers.
Mafia is usually a bit more level-headed and sometimes even courteous. I attribute this to knowing my affiliation by virtue of their role.
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Also, you know, anyone with powers and such should contact me.
I'd just like to add, on a personal note, most of you who have contacted me so far have been terribly unhelpful.
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I just think it'd be a waste of energy to try and convince people not to vote for me. In my experience, there's nothing I can do about that, so it seems to make more sense to just resign myself.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
Im always right Kime.
All right Robos, three (or more?) edits on that earlier post, really? I shouldn't have to scroll up to see what the conversation is going to look like for people reading it later!
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It's amazing that everyone keeps forgetting that this same exact situation has played out over so many other mafia games, excepting of course the two instances where I was actually a mafia.
1). A bandwagon starts on me for no reason.
2). I attempt to defend myself.
3). Defending myself somehow confirms everyone's suspicions, and the bandwagon becomes unanimous.
Never once have you people been right. Maybe my behavior is erratic and grating, but surely you ought to know by now that that's just how I always am, not an indication of guilt.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
What do you mean, "you people," ? :P
There's a fairly good reason for this bandwagoning. Your argument that you should have just voted for Loser yourself if you were mafia assumes that you were actually present between the time things tied up and Delmain voted for Loser. Which, going by your 12:00 post, you weren't. It's easily possible that Delmain tried to save you, since him switching his vote back would generate less suspicion than one of the other mafia members suddenly stepping in.
As a side note, Delmain's ghost-post "I knew this was gonna happen" sounds (to me) as if he's trying to convince us he knew he was getting vig'd, and threw away his vote on you (edit: to trick us into bandwagoning you.) Which is unlikely, unless Garroad contacted him to see if he was a special first.
Finally, you threw out a post claiming to be the vig if Kias died. While it's a long shot, it could have been correct, considering a few people grudged Kias coming into this game. Then, you edited the post so it read more like a joke.
Sorry, but from my point of view you're likely mafia, and at worst, just an unhelpful villager.
However there seem to be some good points out there and I don't want to be seen an unfashionable so...
Robos
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I was here when Loser and I were tied at 3 votes each.
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Yeah, I was very shocked that Dunadan illustrated a real reason... almost to the point of trusting his reasoning without checking myself
Also Kime, you're still forgetting your :whistle:
Just letting you know.
okay. I assumed you weren't there because normally when you're on your post count is much higher. That being said, my other reasons still make sense to me, and I think you're the best lead.
Yeah, like 8 hours before vote close.
I dunno, there's a few people I want to vote for on account of they're really dangerous people to have as mafia, but I'm gonna stick with the single, thin strand of reasoning that we do have.
Robos A Go Go
I gave a real reason begrudgingly.
normally giving a real reason would require me to give all of my knowledge on the phalla and then include all of what I know about deception in a single post.
and my fingers get tired real quick.
this time, It just so happens that voting robos out is so obvious that I can give a short reason without having to go into too much background or theory. even if he is a vanillager as he claims, the circumstances of the vote are too fishy to ignore.
I read this as: I'm killing Dunadan tonight.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
I do think kime is, though. Mark my words!
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It's a self fulfilling prophesy.
You're right of course. That's why I have to kill you.
Am I on that list? Please say I'm on that list.
I didn't base the vote on your behavior at all.
when a mafia member dies without knowing he's going to die and then breaks a tie close to vote close resulting in someone elses death, the smart thing to do is look at the other person. especially when usually the person who breaks said tie is suspicious and ties sometimes kill both people which is good for the mafia and if neither tries to defend themselves from a day 1 vote in a vanilla game, it means that neither is special which if they are both innocent the mafia can then narrow down their suspects for specials by 1 person.... so why break the tie?
so long as I'm right.
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*shudder*