Just destroy the control room and then book it out of there. Abuse Blaster bombs.
I just finished researching heavy plasma and plasma clips.. I don't have Blaster Bombs, looks like it will be an old style, inside sweeping, while I pray to not get mind controlled.
If someone gets mind controlled, can I stun them with a stun rod? Or what could I do?
This excerpt from the Legend of Patrick Stewart (found here indicates the proper use of soldiers with horribly low psi-scores.
Interlude....
========
"You wanted to see me commander sir?"
"Ah, Xanalthus. Yes. It's about your psi-program results."
"Uh, yeah, I didnt do too well did I?"
"Actually, you have talents you wouldnt believe. For example, on the ESP tests, if you had absolutely no powers, you'd still get half the answers right and the other half wrong. Instead, you managed to provide all the wrong answers!"
"Uh..."
"The mind-scanning exercise? You drew a blank when scanning our volunteer, right?"
"Uhm, yeah..."
"Even though she had no psi-potential of her own, she could suddenly see everything you were thinking. Incidentally, she's asked for a transfer to another base."
"Err..."
"There're all these reports and scans that point to one thing. You are a psychic anomaly. You got a solid 0 on your Psi test, far, far below even the next lowest scoring candidate. Every trained psi on the base has to actively concentrate on commercial jingles or else they'll be drawn into your thoughts."
"But..."
"To put it simply, you're a psychic black hole, the lowest point which draws in all psionic potential..."
"But sir!"
"...which is why you'll be a valuable part of the XCOM team. Congratulations soldier!"
"Bu...wah?"
"It's your job, whenever we're up against psionic aliens, to accompany the Skyranger, be strapped down for the entire mission and suck in all the psionic attacks which would otherwise wreak havoc on our fighting troops. You, soldier, are the perfect psionic decoy!"
JAN 11
Several new members join our team. Zilla, Demon Eyes, JoshJosh and SynthOrange help replenish our numbers. Fallout is still in the medbay recovering from extensive burns, so that makes three new members on the strike squad.
Seriously, Fallout? You've been pulling this shit elsewhere, too?
I love this game for creating little stories about what's going on. It's really immersive, until the grind once you get Psi-ops and it just becomes samey until mars.
Dropped in Sydney in the middle of the night. Beginning is going pretty well, clearing buildings with high explosives and having my two autocannon users dropping incen. rounds to use as light. Lose about 3 rookies on turn 5 to a couple of the greys.
Mind attacks start and 3 dudes panic and run into the fire patches/enemy fire and die terribly. Start moving my last 4 soldiers around clearing the map. Two die to alien grenades leaving my two autocannon users, with a clip and a half of ammo left. Managed to keep them in cover while finishing the map. 8 new rookies are en route to the base now.
First, whoever wrote the route finding routine had never heard of a great circle route (check wikipedia).. If you try and follow a great circle route, you can get there faster (by a couple of hours in some cases). Second, as long as you have something in transit towards the terror mission, it won't go away. Send an interceptor to fly to the terror mission. Just before it hits half gas (might take some save scumming), send your skyranger. If the terror mission is close enough, just have two interceptors yo-yo back and forth from home and the terror mission (if they land at your base they'll have to refuel...) These two methods will hopefully allow dawn to arrive at the terror site (don't forget that your sykranger's transit time...) so you can spend more shooting (or throwing 'nades) at known targets instead of throwing flares to FIND targets.
Ok, how do I get PSI research? I can't even go on ufo landing missions without my soldiers getting mind attacked.
Is there any way to train Bravery? Is low Bravery a sign of being easy to mind control? I had 2 20 bravery scouts at the Alien Base, but instead of the aliens targeting them, they attacked my good soldiers.
Ok, how do I get PSI research? I can't even go on ufo landing missions without my soldiers getting mind attacked.
Is there any way to train Bravery? Is low Bravery a sign of being easy to mind control? I had 2 20 bravery scouts at the Alien Base, but instead of the aliens targeting them, they attacked my good soldiers.
Live Ethereal of any type or Live Sectoid Leader/Commander.
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Ok, how do I get PSI research? I can't even go on ufo landing missions without my soldiers getting mind attacked.
Is there any way to train Bravery? Is low Bravery a sign of being easy to mind control? I had 2 20 bravery scouts at the Alien Base, but instead of the aliens targeting them, they attacked my good soldiers.
Live Ethereal of any type or Live Sectoid Leader/Commander.
That's like ten types of lame. I ran into a Sectoid commander ONCE. When he attacked my base. I killed him from two hexes away with a rocket launcher because that was one of like three people left.
The game hates me and has been giving me floaters and that's it until recently, when it went snakemen and mutons on me.
I'm seriously reconsidering restarting yet again and install one of those utility mods.
I don't like to cheat, seriously, but it breaks my heart seeing my 3 sergeants panic or get mind controlled everytime I storm the base.
For one thing, I guess it would be a god idea to weed out the weak PSI soldiers, but man, it does suck.
It's perfectly acceptable to cut your losses and retreat from a mission in this game; it's not an instant game-over. The base will still be there to assault later, and you can even shoot down its supply ships for resources while you wait.
So.... Do you need an alien containment in every base you send skyrangers out from if you want to take alien's alive?
Yes, but you don't really need to capture that many aliens. Just make sure your main base has one. If you're running missions outside of a base that isn't your primary research base, your research base will need one too.
So.... Do you need an alien containment in every base you send skyrangers out from if you want to take alien's alive?
Yes, but you don't really need to capture that many aliens. Just make sure your main base has one. If you're running missions outside of a base that doesn't do research, your research base will need one too.
Yeah, you need... 1 Navigator, 1 Terrorist, 1 Leader, 1 Commander, and 1 Sectoid Leader/Commander or an Ethereal of any type. Right?
TFTD is far more onerous (and bullshit) about it.
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So.... Do you need an alien containment in every base you send skyrangers out from if you want to take alien's alive?
Yes, but you don't really need to capture that many aliens. Just make sure your main base has one. If you're running missions outside of a base that doesn't do research, your research base will need one too.
Yeah, you need... 1 Navigator, 1 Terrorist, 1 Leader, 1 Commander, and 1 Sectoid Leader/Commander or an Ethereal of any type. Right?
TFTD is far more onerous (and bullshit) about it.
Spoiler'd just in case
I don't even think you need a Terrorist I think.
The first leader is interchangeable with a Commander.
So.... Do you need an alien containment in every base you send skyrangers out from if you want to take alien's alive?
Yes, but you don't really need to capture that many aliens. Just make sure your main base has one. If you're running missions outside of a base that doesn't do research, your research base will need one too.
Yeah, you need... 1 Navigator, 1 Terrorist, 1 Leader, 1 Commander, and 1 Sectoid Leader/Commander or an Ethereal of any type. Right?
TFTD is far more onerous (and bullshit) about it.
Spoiler'd just in case
I don't even think you need a Terrorist I think.
The first leader is interchangeable with a Commander.
Don't you for Alien Origins? Or is that any live alien?
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So.... Do you need an alien containment in every base you send skyrangers out from if you want to take alien's alive?
Yes, but you don't really need to capture that many aliens. Just make sure your main base has one. If you're running missions outside of a base that doesn't do research, your research base will need one too.
Yeah, you need... 1 Navigator, 1 Terrorist, 1 Leader, 1 Commander, and 1 Sectoid Leader/Commander or an Ethereal of any type. Right?
TFTD is far more onerous (and bullshit) about it.
Spoiler'd just in case
I don't even think you need a Terrorist I think.
The first leader is interchangeable with a Commander.
Don't you for Alien Origins? Or is that any live alien?
Origins is any live alien.
From the wiki:
* Any Live Alien: Alien Origins and information on its own species
* Alien Soldier or Terrorist: Nothing, beyond information on its own species
* Alien Medic: information on other alien species
* Alien Navigator: Alien missions and Hyper-wave Decoder
* Alien Engineer: Alien ships
* Alien Leader (or Commander): The Martian Solution
* Alien Commander: Cydonia or Bust
* Sectoid Leader or Commander, or any Ethereal: Psionic Laboratory
So.... Do you need an alien containment in every base you send skyrangers out from if you want to take alien's alive?
Yes, but you don't really need to capture that many aliens. Just make sure your main base has one. If you're running missions outside of a base that doesn't do research, your research base will need one too.
Yeah, you need... 1 Navigator, 1 Terrorist, 1 Leader, 1 Commander, and 1 Sectoid Leader/Commander or an Ethereal of any type. Right?
TFTD is far more onerous (and bullshit) about it.
Spoiler'd just in case
I don't even think you need a Terrorist I think.
The first leader is interchangeable with a Commander.
Don't you for Alien Origins? Or is that any live alien?
Origins is any live alien.
From the wiki:
* Any Live Alien: Alien Origins and information on its own species
* Alien Soldier or Terrorist: Nothing, beyond information on its own species
* Alien Medic: information on other alien species
* Alien Navigator: Alien missions and Hyper-wave Decoder
* Alien Engineer: Alien ships
* Alien Leader (or Commander): The Martian Solution
* Alien Commander: Cydonia or Bust
* Sectoid Leader or Commander, or any Ethereal: Psionic Laboratory
Huh, it's probably because the first live alien I capture is almost always a Reaper I knock out instead of killing.
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Lower the difficulty. Edit your save file so your soldiers all have 90 psi defence. Abuse save/loading.
I promise you that you will STILL have tons of fun blasting holes in floater faces with plasma.
Oh.. 90 psi defence? That sounds like something I would like to have, do I download XCom Util?
I think so. I've never used it myself, and I always shed a tear or two after getting my first psy-lab results and watching a few of my vets walk off the team
So I snagged a snakeman navigator. The main issue I had doing that was there were two Chrysallids nearby. Fuck those dudes. Right in their zombifying asses. Good thing I had incidenary rockets.
So do you need the Commander for Cyodonia or Bust or will the leader work?
What is the easiest way to find an Alien base? I cannot seem to follow the UFOs I always lose them.
What is the easiest way to find an Alien base? I cannot seem to follow the UFOs I always lose them.
If you have a hyperwave decoder, you can ID the enemy ships as supply ships to confirm the aliens even have a base on Earth.
If not, you should send a ship to patrol a region with high or increased UFO activity seen in the monthly report graphs. Eventually you should reveal a base, especially if you see a bunch of ships landed in the area.
I'm in June so I'm fairly sure there is a base somewhere, however I just started Hyper-wave decoder research so we shall see how this turns out. I still haven't run itno a sectoid commander which makes me sad.
I think the hardest part of the game for me historically has been capturing the elusive sectoid commander. It never fails that my best soldiers are the ones turning traitor. It's the only time I will forgive myself for abusing saves. After that, it's just a matter of weeding out the weak and retraining a new set of soldiers as you prepare for the final assault.
I haven't had a Sectoid mission since January. They have all been floater or snakemen, which is useless when one wants to get his Psi defence up for the inevitable Etheral missions.
So.... Do you need an alien containment in every base you send skyrangers out from if you want to take alien's alive?
Yes, but you don't really need to capture that many aliens. Just make sure your main base has one. If you're running missions outside of a base that isn't your primary research base, your research base will need one too.
When I played I eventually had one heavy weapons guy (got ridiculously good, was sniping aliens with incendiary rounds across the map by the end of the game) and everyone else was carrying stun grenade launchers. I had live alien specimens coming out the wazoo.
Also, at that time I was under the impression you needed to pick stunned aliens up for them to count as captured and live at the end of the mission. Was this actually necessary or not?
So.... Do you need an alien containment in every base you send skyrangers out from if you want to take alien's alive?
Yes, but you don't really need to capture that many aliens. Just make sure your main base has one. If you're running missions outside of a base that isn't your primary research base, your research base will need one too.
When I played I eventually had one heavy weapons guy (got ridiculously good, was sniping aliens with incendiary rounds across the map by the end of the game) and everyone else was carrying stun grenade launchers. I had live alien specimens coming out the wazoo.
Also, at that time I was under the impression you needed to pick stunned aliens up for them to count as captured and live at the end of the mission. Was this actually necessary or not?
Well, I have captured Aliens alive without even knowing (And having them die without Alien Containment), so I dare to say that no, you don't need to pick them up.
Assuming you win. If you're after a particular enemy type and managed to knock it unconscious, it couldn't hurt to make a rookie carry it back to the ranger in case your team is losing and needs to bug out. Also, there's a chance that it could wake up and then die to reaction fire from your troops. Picking them up means you don't have to worry about losing your prize by accident.
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PSI Abuse in the original UFO was the most hilariously broken thing. Shared LoS with things you mind control, a Tank, two weapons guys, and then the rest of your team as PSI-users just meant you'd mind control one alien, and use him to find and control more aliens. I remember completing the final mission with only one soldier leaving the spawn. The
Alien Brain
just got wasted by its own Ethereals (and possibly Sectopods).
I haven't had a Sectoid mission since January. They have all been floater or snakemen, which is useless when one wants to get his Psi defence up for the inevitable Etheral missions.
As I recall, PsiStrength is invariant.
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Oh Shivahn, you silly goose, you should've waited ten days to post!
Now there are mutons and snakemen and chryssalids. Oh my!
This excerpt from the Legend of Patrick Stewart (found here indicates the proper use of soldiers with horribly low psi-scores.
Seriously, Fallout? You've been pulling this shit elsewhere, too?
I love this game for creating little stories about what's going on. It's really immersive, until the grind once you get Psi-ops and it just becomes samey until mars.
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Dropped in Sydney in the middle of the night. Beginning is going pretty well, clearing buildings with high explosives and having my two autocannon users dropping incen. rounds to use as light. Lose about 3 rookies on turn 5 to a couple of the greys.
Mind attacks start and 3 dudes panic and run into the fire patches/enemy fire and die terribly. Start moving my last 4 soldiers around clearing the map. Two die to alien grenades leaving my two autocannon users, with a clip and a half of ammo left. Managed to keep them in cover while finishing the map. 8 new rookies are en route to the base now.
First, whoever wrote the route finding routine had never heard of a great circle route (check wikipedia).. If you try and follow a great circle route, you can get there faster (by a couple of hours in some cases). Second, as long as you have something in transit towards the terror mission, it won't go away. Send an interceptor to fly to the terror mission. Just before it hits half gas (might take some save scumming), send your skyranger. If the terror mission is close enough, just have two interceptors yo-yo back and forth from home and the terror mission (if they land at your base they'll have to refuel...) These two methods will hopefully allow dawn to arrive at the terror site (don't forget that your sykranger's transit time...) so you can spend more shooting (or throwing 'nades) at known targets instead of throwing flares to FIND targets.
Yeah, and scientist labs and workshops and the appropriate staff too.
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My tank rolls down the ramp and 3 plasma shots wing over it. This is gonna be bad.
Is there any way to train Bravery? Is low Bravery a sign of being easy to mind control? I had 2 20 bravery scouts at the Alien Base, but instead of the aliens targeting them, they attacked my good soldiers.
Live Ethereal of any type or Live Sectoid Leader/Commander.
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That's like ten types of lame. I ran into a Sectoid commander ONCE. When he attacked my base. I killed him from two hexes away with a rocket launcher because that was one of like three people left.
The game hates me and has been giving me floaters and that's it until recently, when it went snakemen and mutons on me.
I don't like to cheat, seriously, but it breaks my heart seeing my 3 sergeants panic or get mind controlled everytime I storm the base.
For one thing, I guess it would be a god idea to weed out the weak PSI soldiers, but man, it does suck.
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Fixed. Never do another Ethereal mission again! (Until Cydonia)
It's perfectly acceptable to cut your losses and retreat from a mission in this game; it's not an instant game-over. The base will still be there to assault later, and you can even shoot down its supply ships for resources while you wait.
Let 'em eat fucking pineapples!
Yes, but you don't really need to capture that many aliens. Just make sure your main base has one. If you're running missions outside of a base that isn't your primary research base, your research base will need one too.
Yeah, you need... 1 Navigator, 1 Terrorist, 1 Leader, 1 Commander, and 1 Sectoid Leader/Commander or an Ethereal of any type. Right?
TFTD is far more onerous (and bullshit) about it.
Spoiler'd just in case
The first leader is interchangeable with a Commander.
From the wiki:
* Any Live Alien: Alien Origins and information on its own species
* Alien Soldier or Terrorist: Nothing, beyond information on its own species
* Alien Medic: information on other alien species
* Alien Navigator: Alien missions and Hyper-wave Decoder
* Alien Engineer: Alien ships
* Alien Leader (or Commander): The Martian Solution
* Alien Commander: Cydonia or Bust
* Sectoid Leader or Commander, or any Ethereal: Psionic Laboratory
Fuck.
FFFFUUUU- !
I'm deleting ALL of my save files.
All games in progress are consigned to oblivion.
I'm starting this shit over.
It's FOR REAL this time.
MOTHERFUCKERS.
I promise you that you will STILL have tons of fun blasting holes in floater faces with plasma.
Oh.. 90 psi defence? That sounds like something I would like to have, do I download XCom Util?
I think so. I've never used it myself, and I always shed a tear or two after getting my first psy-lab results and watching a few of my vets walk off the team
So do you need the Commander for Cyodonia or Bust or will the leader work?
What is the easiest way to find an Alien base? I cannot seem to follow the UFOs I always lose them.
If you have a hyperwave decoder, you can ID the enemy ships as supply ships to confirm the aliens even have a base on Earth.
If not, you should send a ship to patrol a region with high or increased UFO activity seen in the monthly report graphs. Eventually you should reveal a base, especially if you see a bunch of ships landed in the area.
Let 'em eat fucking pineapples!
Also, at that time I was under the impression you needed to pick stunned aliens up for them to count as captured and live at the end of the mission. Was this actually necessary or not?
Well, I have captured Aliens alive without even knowing (And having them die without Alien Containment), so I dare to say that no, you don't need to pick them up.
As I recall, PsiStrength is invariant.
Its best to sack weak Psi Strength units, as they will just cause you problems later on.