Just BTW, my dad hunted by wrapping himself up in a red blanket and sitting motionless with a flintlock propped up on a rock for hours until he had a clean shot on a deer. If he didn't kill it the first time, he had to wait for the next day before he'd get another shot because by the time he reloaded all the deer for miles would have scattered.
Is it better to cleanly kill a wild animal for fun+food, or is it better to breed a species of animals and keep them in captivity until we eventually kill them for food?
If you oppose eating meat, then they're both morally repugnant.
If you're okay with eating meat, though, it's not really consistent to oppose hunting (as described above) and not ranching. At the very least, the hunted animal lived in its natural environment, presumably a full and free life, until it was killed. The ranched animal, unless it was raised using free-range humane practices, almost certainly lived a miserable life until it was killed. And we created it just for that purpose.
The only reason to oppose hunting (again, as described above) is to infer something about the character of the hunters - ie, killing an animal is okay, but it's messy and creepy work, so you're not sure you want to be around people who do it. Well, again, then there's no reason to hate hunters unless you hate ranchers at the same time.
I think, to enjoy the fruit of someone's labors while decrying that they participate or even enjoy their labors is hypocrisy.
Most people consider sewage cleaning to be gross and disgusting work. But, you still shit in a toilet and use sinks and in other ways enjoy the existence of the sewer system.
If you decry a sewer worker who actually enjoys his job while still enjoying the fruits of his labor, you're a hypocrite.
And an asshole, to boot.
I largely agree, though there are certain jobs that I could never ever do and in fact I find that I generally don't get along with the kind of people who enjoy them.
Police work and the military for instance. I try not to make it a statement of moral worth, though I think sometimes I fail at that, but I just don't get along with people who really love police work, or who really loved being in the military.
I'm glad they're around, but the mindset it takes to do that sort of work is so incompatible with mine that it's best if we interact on a professional, social-roles level only.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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It's really slick, and a serious improvement over the Droid. Not really surprising that Google abandoned their plans to release the Nexus One on Big Red,after seeing this phone.
I'm looking to get a new phone soon.
The Incredible is the best phone Verizon has now, bar none.
Your usage of the term "sport hunting" is not how the word is used amongst hunters or people who know a good god damn thing about hunting.
You use a totally made-up definition of "sport hunting" to mean "people who hunt in a way that I consider unfair or unchallenging".
Which is actually pretty well-divorced from the word sport, quite frankly.
This isn't me being pedantic. This is you co-opting an already existing phrase to mean something you just made up.
No. Sport hunting. As in, hunting for sport. Where the number of points or size of the animal is the primary motivation for hunting. The kind where you sit in the back of a truck and pick off deer, leaving their headless carcasses by the side of the road. People do not buy licenses to hunt polar bear in Alaska because they want to eat polar bear meat. They buy it because they want a posed, stuffed carcass for their study. Congratulations. You've never done this. This does not mean it doesn't happen, regularly, in parts of the world where you don't live.
There is even a phrase that exists to describe the type of hunting you practice pony, where animals are killed for food or to prevent overpopulation, it's subsistence hunting, and yes, it differs from sport hunting.
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If you think that's morally repugnant or something, but you still eat meat, you're a hypocrite.
What if you eat meat but you think that people who get off on killing are creepy.
Is that hypocritical?
How are you using "get off" in that sentence, though?
Are you using it in the literal sense of "derives sexual pleasure from"? I don't figure you are.
So do you simply mean "enjoyment"?
Because if so, then yes. If you enjoy meat, but you think hunters are creepy for enjoying hunting, you are a hypocrite.
the meat i consume isn't generally hunted
and producers do not seem to derive enjoyment from the slaughter of commercially-produced meat
so why do i have some sort of moral responsibility to regard sport hunters as anything more than psychopaths?
Are you honestly suggesting that livestock farming is somehow more ethical than hunting?
Will, do you believe that it's okay for a livestock farmer to enjoy his work, and that this makes him not a psychopath, whereas hunters are psychopaths?
Your entire viewpoint as expressed is really, really shakey dude. I'm kind of surprised at it, unless you're just being a devil's advocate here.
I wonder if this means Newton was a really creative masturbator. Or if he just had a low libido.
I'm sure he was briefly involved with some women, but I can't really remember. On the other hand he was pretty sure that he was Jesus II, so he may not have been up for wanking (or putting it in girls).
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Homogeneous distribution of your varieties of amuse-gueule
To me, hunting for food is way more...honorable, as killing an animal yourself gives you a much greater respect for the animal and eating it has greater significance.
To me, hunting for food is way more...honorable, as killing an animal yourself gives you a much greater respect for the animal and eating it has greater significance.
Did/do some cultures pray over a kill or was that just in Avatar?
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No they don't. They have momentum but zero rest mass.
I do and we have. I may just be recruiting more PC players. >.>
not everyone can invent calculus
Yessir.
I grew up in a buckskinning family.
I largely agree, though there are certain jobs that I could never ever do and in fact I find that I generally don't get along with the kind of people who enjoy them.
Police work and the military for instance. I try not to make it a statement of moral worth, though I think sometimes I fail at that, but I just don't get along with people who really love police work, or who really loved being in the military.
I'm glad they're around, but the mindset it takes to do that sort of work is so incompatible with mine that it's best if we interact on a professional, social-roles level only.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
the meat i consume isn't generally hunted
and producers do not seem to derive enjoyment from the slaughter of commercially-produced meat
so why do i have some sort of moral responsibility to regard sport hunters as anything more than psychopaths?
I know. And BTW, Skippy is an awful driver. Just horrible. So bad.
I have Borderlands
The Incredible is the best phone Verizon has now, bar none.
Of course leibniz invented the calculus
he invented everything!
calculus
the library
computers
fucking miracles
the have relativistic mass
and, coincidentally, the gravitic force acts on them exactly according to their relativistic mass.
which kind of suggests that relativistic mass, and not rest mass, is the key factor in the gravitic force.
but no one really seems to know for sure.
for instance, do photons exert a mutual gravitic force?
Thanks Leibniz!
those delicious chocolate biscuits...
Leibniz was truly a man of all seasons.
you're lucky it wasn't up to newton
newton died a virgin
like half of D&D will
I am not sold on this, but the idea intrigues me to the extent where I'll ask an astronomer tomorrow. See, what you have made me do?
Are you honestly suggesting that livestock farming is somehow more ethical than hunting?
Will, do you believe that it's okay for a livestock farmer to enjoy his work, and that this makes him not a psychopath, whereas hunters are psychopaths?
Your entire viewpoint as expressed is really, really shakey dude. I'm kind of surprised at it, unless you're just being a devil's advocate here.
I'm sure he was briefly involved with some women, but I can't really remember. On the other hand he was pretty sure that he was Jesus II, so he may not have been up for wanking (or putting it in girls).
Who is methodically licking himself clean in the noisiest way possible.
Gurgle, slurp, growl, lick, repeat.
Oh no, don't mind me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LHgmnuKhR0
Fuuuuu
As long as you do it in a rotation so the population can be properly maintained...
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wait what
hahahahaha
Preacher this was an excellent reply.