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But it has nothing at all to do with the definition of it. That must be local to your language in that case.
It is obviously a completely wrong thing to use the word for.
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I think people genuinely feel pain and can experience abuse no matter their color, religion, sexual orientation, or social status.
I am absolutely offended by people who go through life believing that being in the majority of any one of those groups precludes them from pain, and that it is somehow not real.
There are people on this very forum that would, if made to tell the truth, look you dead in the eye and tell you a rich person experiencing grief is whining and that their money saves them from everything.
There are people on this very forum that would, if made to tell the truth, look you dead in the eye and tell you that you can't possibly experience religious persecution as a Christian in America and if you even dare to claim it, you are a Fox News radical.
Majorities and Wealth do not prevent you from experiencing fucked up shit. Being in a majority does not necessarily mean you grew up taking the advantages of that majority.
That's why I get so pissed off at people here who hand wave and dismiss something if it doesn't fit their narrowminded view of the world.
Yes, progressive liberals can be narrowminded!
Every time one of you makes a joke about how useless the South is, how unredeemable it is, how we may even deserve something terrible happen to us, it makes me so angry I want to spit.
Shakesville is like the biggest safe space on the Internet.
Everything is trigger warning'd. Not just like [TW for rape] but like
TW for Christian supremacy
TW for gender essentialism
TW for a video of people laughing and dancing
I'm not making any of those up. None of those are an exaggeration.
Making fun of John Boehner, the Republican leader guy's last name, is verboten, because Shakesville has had millions of visitors and one of them might have had the name Boehner and they might get hurt feelings.
Being a man and asking questions is prohibited, you are required to do a large amount of backreading and you must identify as an ally and etc etc etc
I mean
It's a little ridiculous
Oh. I see.
I mean. Wow. I uh, don't even understand how one could be triggered by gender essentialism.
I feel bad when I insult feminists or feminist circles to non-feminists. I feel like I'm an ambassador for the feminist movement. I feel like the feminist movement is like an aunt that's been very dear to me in the past and is still close to me but is also FUCKING INSANE sometimes and don't you dare make fun of her (but I need to vent oh god)
Shakesville is like the biggest safe space on the Internet.
Everything is trigger warning'd. Not just like [TW for rape] but like
TW for Christian supremacy
TW for gender essentialism
TW for a video of people laughing and dancing
I'm not making any of those up. None of those are an exaggeration.
Making fun of John Boehner, the Republican leader guy's last name, is verboten, because Shakesville has had millions of visitors and one of them might have had the name Boehner and they might get hurt feelings.
Being a man and asking questions is prohibited, you are required to do a large amount of backreading and you must identify as an ally and etc etc etc
But it has nothing at all to do with the definition of it. That must be local to your language in that case.
It is obviously a completely wrong thing to use the word for.
I am agreeing with you. Trailer trash catharsis = punching pillows thinking it is some kind of meaningful long-term therapy, because psychologists decided to co-opt the word, much in the same way Tea Partiers co-opted the word "freedom" and made it mean something completely different.
("trailer trash" meaning something to be ridiculed and laughed at)
((yeah that's right i went there white boys))
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and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
But it has nothing at all to do with the definition of it. That must be local to your language in that case.
It is obviously a completely wrong thing to use the word for.
I am agreeing with you. Trailer trash catharsis = punching pillows thinking it is some kind of meaningful long-term therapy, because psychologists decided to co-opt the word, much in the same way Tea Partiers co-opted the word "freedom" and made it mean something completely different.
("trailer trash" meaning something to be ridiculed and laughed at)
Yeah I always like signing up to be judged by will, it was the best when I played tf2 on the xbox with him, or I should say against him and the super team he made to specifically kill me.
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Okay the origin of mansplaining is when you, as a woman, try to explain something to a man, and he doesn't listen to you, but when a man explains the exact same thing to him he suddenly gets it. Basically, men who don't listen to women but they'll listen to a man 'mansplain' it to him because somehow it makes more sense to him (inherent sexism)
I think that's all well and good.
Mansplaining has devolved, in the feminist blogosphere to OOOOH LOOK YOU'RE A MAN AND YOU THINK YOUR OPINIONS ARE SOOOO MUCH BETTER THAN OURS YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DOMINATE THE CONVERSATION AND IGNORE ALL OF THE PREVIOUS RESPONSES
and to the especially crazy
it's any instance of a man explaining something to a woman
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I feel bad when I insult feminists or feminist circles to non-feminists. I feel like I'm an ambassador for the feminist movement. I feel like the feminist movement is like an aunt that's been very dear to me in the past and is still close to me but is also FUCKING INSANE sometimes and don't you dare make fun of her (but I need to vent oh god)
This is the best description of a movement you still fundamentally agree with but abandoned for the crazy. Whenever mine come up, I will in your honor proclaim that I am done defending my crazy aunt, but please stop making fun of her.
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Okay the origin of mansplaining is when you, as a woman, try to explain something to a man, and he doesn't listen to you, but when a man explains the exact same thing to him he suddenly gets it. Basically, men who don't listen to women but they'll listen to a man 'mansplain' it to him because somehow it makes more sense to him (inherent sexism)
I think that's all well and good.
Mansplaining has devolved, in the feminist blogosphere to OOOOH LOOK YOU'RE A MAN AND YOU THINK YOUR OPINIONS ARE SOOOO MUCH BETTER THAN OURS YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DOMINATE THE CONVERSATION AND IGNORE ALL OF THE PREVIOUS RESPONSES
and to the especially crazy
it's any instance of a man explaining something to a woman
I feel bad when I insult feminists or feminist circles to non-feminists. I feel like I'm an ambassador for the feminist movement. I feel like the feminist movement is like an aunt that's been very dear to me in the past and is still close to me but is also FUCKING INSANE sometimes and don't you dare make fun of her (but I need to vent oh god)
I think for some rad-fems, their relationship with feminism is less "crazy aunt" and more "abusive spouse" that they remain loyal to out of fear and a lack of self-esteem and affection for their positive qualities.
I think people genuinely feel pain and can experience abuse no matter their color, religion, sexual orientation, or social status.
I am absolutely offended by people who go through life believing that being in the majority of any one of those groups precludes them from pain, and that it is somehow not real.
There are people on this very forum that would, if made to tell the truth, look you dead in the eye and tell you a rich person experiencing grief is whining and that their money saves them from everything.
There are people on this very forum that would, if made to tell the truth, look you dead in the eye and tell you that you can't possibly experience religious persecution as a Christian in America and if you even dare to claim it, you are a Fox News radical.
Majorities and Wealth do not prevent you from experiencing fucked up shit. Being in a majority does not necessarily mean you grew up taking the advantages of that majority.
That's why I get so pissed off at people here who hand wave and dismiss something if it doesn't fit their narrowminded view of the world.
Yes, progressive liberals can be narrowminded!
Every time one of you makes a joke about how useless the South is, how unredeemable it is, how we may even deserve something terrible happen to us, it makes me so angry I want to spit.
True empathy is empathy for -everyone-.
I agree
But I do maintain that it's important to distinguish between this -- people's genuine and personal claims of injustice (and again, I apologize Lud for being belittling -- you're right it was an asshole move) and people using an equivocating tactic.
The problem I encountered is when one person does the latter, sometimes one can get emotional and end up lumping the former in with it.
That is, when someone says something stupid like "hey you're being racist towards whites" when you make a completely innocuous comment -- that is wrong. And it comes from a suspect place, with suspect intent. But also wrong is to go "I don't care about racism towards whites" instead of "you're using a discriminatory tactic to equivocate suffering to justify whatever your ill motives are." And that's what I did, even though I shouldn't have.
I feel bad when I insult feminists or feminist circles to non-feminists. I feel like I'm an ambassador for the feminist movement. I feel like the feminist movement is like an aunt that's been very dear to me in the past and is still close to me but is also FUCKING INSANE sometimes and don't you dare make fun of her (but I need to vent oh god)
I think for some rad-fems, their relationship with feminism is less "crazy aunt" and more "abusive spouse" that they remain loyal to out of fear and a lack of self-esteem and affection for their positive qualities.
And for yet others, they just nuts
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"and the morning stars I have seen
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Shivahn, mind expanding on the problems between trans and feminist communities as you see them?
Well, the primary thing I'm thinking of are the overt dismissal of trans women as "real" women, which I know isn't a universal feminist tenet, but has become entrenched in several schools of thought. This leads to a lot of backlash among trans people. I have met trans people who are hesitant to identify as feminists because of it, and I think that's ultimately harmful to both movements.
There's also sometimes pressure to exclude trans women from women only spaces. The whole "womyn-born-womyn" thing. This includes even post-op women sometimes, which is frankly absurd. Though I will say that the exclusion of pre- or non- op trans women is just about equally as absurd, given that anyone who is read as female constantly has something in common with, and to add to, other women and their feminism, and the exclusion of them often seems to be more of a knee-jerk othering than anything with real reason.
This of course is not just harmful to the movement (as trans women provide somewhat unique viewpoints that are worth hearing) but is extremely (obviously) transphobic, which leads to further rifts and is a problem in and of itself.
This leads to what I believe are all sorts of inconsistencies and less-than-savory viewpoints being held, but that's all dependent upon individual views than reflective of the movements as wholes.
Sorry if any of this is undeveloped, I had links, but my computer's been formatted about ten times in the last two months so I don't have many specific examples at the moment.
I feel bad when I insult feminists or feminist circles to non-feminists. I feel like I'm an ambassador for the feminist movement. I feel like the feminist movement is like an aunt that's been very dear to me in the past and is still close to me but is also FUCKING INSANE sometimes and don't you dare make fun of her (but I need to vent oh god)
I think for some rad-fems, their relationship with feminism is less "crazy aunt" and more "abusive spouse" that they remain loyal to out of fear and a lack of self-esteem and affection for their positive qualities.
oh my god this is ridiculous you're ridiculous
i am throwing up my hands and insisting we go down to the basement to play gamecube while my aunt takes another vicoden and starts yelling about how men are pigs and she's not wearing a bra and oh my god you can see everything this is so embarassing
I actually refuse to identify as a feminist, despite the fact that the majority of my views on gender issues and sexism and equality and the like are pretty much in alignment with what can be considered modern moderate feminism.
Because that term has issues with it, that label causes more arguments than it easily identifies a person's views, and because it's actually very common to run into women who insist men can't be feminists.
That they are, at best, feminist allies.
But I don't use that term either, for two reasons. One is that it is just as diluted, argument-inducing, and vague as calling oneself a feminist, and the other is that every single man I have ever met without exception who earnestly refers to himself as a feminist ally has been a snivelling douchebag NiceGuy who basically in it for the angry pussy.
and fuck those people, bro
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We're talking about actions for catharsis, not sexual arousal.
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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It is obviously a completely wrong thing to use the word for.
I am absolutely offended by people who go through life believing that being in the majority of any one of those groups precludes them from pain, and that it is somehow not real.
There are people on this very forum that would, if made to tell the truth, look you dead in the eye and tell you a rich person experiencing grief is whining and that their money saves them from everything.
There are people on this very forum that would, if made to tell the truth, look you dead in the eye and tell you that you can't possibly experience religious persecution as a Christian in America and if you even dare to claim it, you are a Fox News radical.
Majorities and Wealth do not prevent you from experiencing fucked up shit. Being in a majority does not necessarily mean you grew up taking the advantages of that majority.
That's why I get so pissed off at people here who hand wave and dismiss something if it doesn't fit their narrowminded view of the world.
Yes, progressive liberals can be narrowminded!
Every time one of you makes a joke about how useless the South is, how unredeemable it is, how we may even deserve something terrible happen to us, it makes me so angry I want to spit.
True empathy is empathy for -everyone-.
Oh. I see.
I mean. Wow. I uh, don't even understand how one could be triggered by gender essentialism.
Yes. I think I'll just stick with "wow."
I like you
woooooo thoughtcrime ahoy!
I am agreeing with you. Trailer trash catharsis = punching pillows thinking it is some kind of meaningful long-term therapy, because psychologists decided to co-opt the word, much in the same way Tea Partiers co-opted the word "freedom" and made it mean something completely different.
("trailer trash" meaning something to be ridiculed and laughed at)
((yeah that's right i went there white boys))
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
and absolutists
pleasepaypreacher.net
darn
anyways, the D&D paxeast meetup thread is up.
hope to see you smelly neckbeards reserve a spot.
what is mansplaining
this seems like a term i should know
and most likely choff at
welp have fun guys
www.nutsybolts.com/invite.php/46133/wang
please play, it's taking longer and longer to come up with Wang room names
are there badges
We need to force people to take tolerance classes. /spielberg
pleasepaypreacher.net
Ah sorry, cool then.
Ascots.
badges denotes rank
rank is a patriarchal ideal.
Levels should be abolished from rpgs.
Yeah I always like signing up to be judged by will, it was the best when I played tf2 on the xbox with him, or I should say against him and the super team he made to specifically kill me.
pleasepaypreacher.net
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Okay the origin of mansplaining is when you, as a woman, try to explain something to a man, and he doesn't listen to you, but when a man explains the exact same thing to him he suddenly gets it. Basically, men who don't listen to women but they'll listen to a man 'mansplain' it to him because somehow it makes more sense to him (inherent sexism)
I think that's all well and good.
Mansplaining has devolved, in the feminist blogosphere to OOOOH LOOK YOU'RE A MAN AND YOU THINK YOUR OPINIONS ARE SOOOO MUCH BETTER THAN OURS YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DOMINATE THE CONVERSATION AND IGNORE ALL OF THE PREVIOUS RESPONSES
and to the especially crazy
it's any instance of a man explaining something to a woman
This is the best description of a movement you still fundamentally agree with but abandoned for the crazy. Whenever mine come up, I will in your honor proclaim that I am done defending my crazy aunt, but please stop making fun of her.
haha awesome
just as awesome as i thought it would be
alternatively:
I don't get it.
I think for some rad-fems, their relationship with feminism is less "crazy aunt" and more "abusive spouse" that they remain loyal to out of fear and a lack of self-esteem and affection for their positive qualities.
I agree
But I do maintain that it's important to distinguish between this -- people's genuine and personal claims of injustice (and again, I apologize Lud for being belittling -- you're right it was an asshole move) and people using an equivocating tactic.
The problem I encountered is when one person does the latter, sometimes one can get emotional and end up lumping the former in with it.
That is, when someone says something stupid like "hey you're being racist towards whites" when you make a completely innocuous comment -- that is wrong. And it comes from a suspect place, with suspect intent. But also wrong is to go "I don't care about racism towards whites" instead of "you're using a discriminatory tactic to equivocate suffering to justify whatever your ill motives are." And that's what I did, even though I shouldn't have.
And for yet others, they just nuts
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
I want to love Dragon Age so much, but I don't think I'm understanding the combat. Oh well.
Well, the primary thing I'm thinking of are the overt dismissal of trans women as "real" women, which I know isn't a universal feminist tenet, but has become entrenched in several schools of thought. This leads to a lot of backlash among trans people. I have met trans people who are hesitant to identify as feminists because of it, and I think that's ultimately harmful to both movements.
There's also sometimes pressure to exclude trans women from women only spaces. The whole "womyn-born-womyn" thing. This includes even post-op women sometimes, which is frankly absurd. Though I will say that the exclusion of pre- or non- op trans women is just about equally as absurd, given that anyone who is read as female constantly has something in common with, and to add to, other women and their feminism, and the exclusion of them often seems to be more of a knee-jerk othering than anything with real reason.
This of course is not just harmful to the movement (as trans women provide somewhat unique viewpoints that are worth hearing) but is extremely (obviously) transphobic, which leads to further rifts and is a problem in and of itself.
This leads to what I believe are all sorts of inconsistencies and less-than-savory viewpoints being held, but that's all dependent upon individual views than reflective of the movements as wholes.
Sorry if any of this is undeveloped, I had links, but my computer's been formatted about ten times in the last two months so I don't have many specific examples at the moment.
apples to apples
right here
www.nutsybolts.com/invite.php/46133/wang
for all to enjoy
Second game at least on the xbox is supposed to play a lot better.
pleasepaypreacher.net
oh my god this is ridiculous you're ridiculous
i am throwing up my hands and insisting we go down to the basement to play gamecube while my aunt takes another vicoden and starts yelling about how men are pigs and she's not wearing a bra and oh my god you can see everything this is so embarassing
Because that term has issues with it, that label causes more arguments than it easily identifies a person's views, and because it's actually very common to run into women who insist men can't be feminists.
That they are, at best, feminist allies.
But I don't use that term either, for two reasons. One is that it is just as diluted, argument-inducing, and vague as calling oneself a feminist, and the other is that every single man I have ever met without exception who earnestly refers to himself as a feminist ally has been a snivelling douchebag NiceGuy who basically in it for the angry pussy.
and fuck those people, bro
Oh - I do have it on the XBox, does it play much better on other systems?