I ended up with a bulls-eye on the Green. Won't stop me from supporting the NDP however, as I think they have the best chance of defeating the Conservative MP James Lunney here according to the numbers I was able to find.
So, how badly have the Conservatives left themselves open on the income splitting announcement? Specifically referring to the fact that they will implement corporate cuts immediately, but aren't going to 'help families' until the budget is balanced... so, in five years?
I sense an opportunity for the opposition parties to break down one of the Cons most sacred talking points...
After facing a public backlash, Parliamentary hearings and a stern rebuke from the federal industry minister, BCE Inc. has withdrawn its proposal to federal regulators to impose usage-based billing on its wholesale Internet customers.
Next up: Getting elected into Queen's Park!
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My own riding is one of the few listed twice (target for both libs and NDP). Makes me all fuzzy inside.
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According to that compass, I'm closest to the Liberals and furthest from the Greens. Sounds about right.
Interestingly enough, while I support the Liberals federally, I'll be voting NDP because of my local NDP candidate.
My riding of Victoria appears to be solidly NDP. Elizabeth may is running in the riding north of mine, where she seems to be within striking distance of the Conservatives.
The following is mainly for Richy.
My military plan:
1. License the blueprints for the Super Hornet from Boeing. Contract Bombardier to adjust the blueprints to Canada's needs. Manufacture the resulting planes in the Thunder Bay Bombardier plant. Create hundreds of jobs in Thunder Bay.
2. ???
3. PROFIT!
The following is mainly for Richy.
My military plan:
1. License the blueprints for the Super Hornet from Boeing. Contract Bombardier to adjust the blueprints to Canada's needs. Manufacture the resulting planes in the Thunder Bay Bombardier plant. Create hundreds of jobs in Thunder Bay.
2. ???
3. PROFIT!
The Thunder Bay Bombardier plan is focusing on building street cars right now. I don't know how easy, or even possible, it would be to shift it to making fighter jets.
Well considering the level of quality control on modern fighter jets, I would assume it's actually harder to build streetcars for municipal purchasers.
EDIT lololo The Tories on the subject of the recently disgraced Harper staffer, found working in a CPC election campaign office in Alberta
“There are thousands and thousands of volunteers on campaigns across the country,” a Tory official said.
“He was a volunteer [in Edmonton-Strathcona] totally on his own merit,” the official added.
Well why don't we build an adjacent plant then? We have the resources and the labour.
Seriously, Thunder Bay has plenty of room.
Clarification: I'm not in favour of canceling the F-35s as Canada has set itself up to sell parts for them to other countries. I'm in favour of Canada not actually buying them ourselves.
And screw "Not Invented Here". We should base our technology on the best technology, no matter the origin. It's pointless to dig a hole and fill it back up again.
The following is mainly for Richy.
My military plan:
1. License the blueprints for the Super Hornet from Boeing. Contract Bombardier to adjust the blueprints to Canada's needs. Manufacture the resulting planes in the Thunder Bay Bombardier plant. Create hundreds of jobs in Thunder Bay.
2. ???
3. PROFIT!
The Thunder Bay Bombardier plan is focusing on building street cars right now. I don't know how easy, or even possible, it would be to shift it to making fighter jets.
Ummm... Bombardier does not build military planes? I'm not sure building the needed infrastructure from the ground up would be cost effective.
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Ya, it'll take bit a of construction and adjustment but it's much cheaper than paying other countries to do the same job.
Bombardier actually used to build military planes before they divested the division. It wouldn't be that hard to start another one.
It's like you playing conect the dots to make stuff fit in your world view.
It's called being a politician. Tis my job.
No, that's called being a bad politician.
Then debate with me and tell me why I'm wrong. Resorting to personal attacks means you lose.
Because you can't just turn around and say" Hey, goverment of Canada, let's scrap the F-35 and build our own jet." There is no infrastructure present in Canada to do that and you will end up paying more the the F-35's where going to cost anyway. We are not talking about toys here, these are pretty much the most sophisticated pieces of military hardware out there.
saying that "it's a politician's job" to push stuff like that just proves the point that you have no idea how the system works.
Yeah no. Bombardier's Military Aviation Services only SERVICED fighter jets and never actually BUILT anything. Their revenue for 2003 was a whopping $125 million, which is the unit cost for a SINGLE F-35.
And no, it is very hard to be a military fighter/bomber manufacturer. The timescale from conceptualization to full-scale production to service introduction runs in the order of decades, which is a start-up cost no corporation can absorb. That's why there's only a handful of military plane manufacturers in the world (Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin, Dassault Aviation, Mikoyan, Sukhoi,* Chengdu, Eurofighter, Shenyang, Saab, and a buncha others nobody consider seriously players), and all of them are closely tied to their home nations... because ultimately to facilitate the design and production of such high-cost, long-term projects, governments are the only entities able to absorb the required debt load. Also, the government has to be willing to commit upfront to the financial cost, so you avoid situations like Northrop Grumman going under faster than a lead balloon when you cut the order of B2 bombers from 125 to 25, which the Canadian government is clearly unable to do (see Avro, Sea Kings, F-35 debacles).
Additionally, every one of their projects has to sell en mass, somewhere in the order of a hundred planes minimum, for you to reach any sort of acceptable unit cost, because of the exorbitant investment in development and design, so unless Canada's going to be significantly expanding our military by orders of magnitude, the product better be competitive (read better) than other fifth-generation fighters to square away the markets of unaligned nations with military needs that Canada's willing to sell too (i.e. not Iran).
Also, I would not even fly in a small turboprop plane built by Confederation College and Lakehead U graduates, never mind a fifth-generation fighter jet.
If it is the job of a politician to be utterly ridiculously divorced from reality, then yes. You are doing your job well, because I have not heard an idea this batshit insane in this thread that wasn't from Loklar in a very very long time. If people are resorting to personal insults rather than debating with you on this, it would likely be because you cannot debate with madmen.
I mean, do you have any information indicating Bombardier'd even be willing to take on such a risky proposition for their business? Have you spoken to any military aviation experts to see if such a thing would even be possible? Have you bribed a whole lot of Americans for Boeing to hand over their designs to a foreign company, which I'm betting is probably soooooo freaking illegal it's not even funny?
* Technically, Mikoyan and Sukhoi don't even exist any more as separate companies, having been merged into a giant Russian military conglomerate by the government.
To be fair i didn't mean to be insulting. The idea is just do divorced from reality that I did not know another way to say it. You can be pro F-35 or think there are better options and both points have their merits. I can even except that some people think we can make do with our existing planes... Just can't believe that someone that says they are a politician would go on about building our own planes.
Also, very good post hippofant.
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This also neglects the point that you wouldn't build them in Thunder Bay, because Bombardier doesn't build planes in Thunder Bay, it builds Trains and it is very happy building Trains there (and for at least 25 years and as far as I know has never built anything but trains there, unless maybe you go back to WWII and at that point it wasn't Bombardier). When Bombardier wants to build planes, it does so in Quebec.
This also neglects the point that you wouldn't build them in Thunder Bay, because Bombardier doesn't build planes in Thunder Bay, it builds Trains and it is very happy building Trains there (and for at least 25 years and as far as I know has never built anything but trains there, unless maybe you go back to WWII and at that point it wasn't Bombardier). When Bombardier wants to build planes, it does so in Quebec.
I'm running in Thunder Bay so I need to promote job creation there as part of my ideas.
You guys are my policy beta testers. I need to find the "bugs" in my ideas so I can fix them.
I will fight and use any influence I receive to get Via Rail back to Thunder Bay (I know that Via Rail is federal, but the provincial government could help fund a restoration).
We are not your personal policy sounding board. If you want policy advice, and are serious about running, you need to hire/attract a policy specialist. Especially considering how unrealistic and naive you appear to be on such issues.
And if all you are going to do is promise things that are not doable or realistic, in order to garner votes and get elected, I would go out of my way to ensure you never occupy an elected office. Even if I don't live in your riding or province.
We are not your personal policy sounding board. If you want policy advice, and are serious about running, you need to hire/attract a policy specialist. Especially considering how unrealistic and naive you appear to be on such issues.
And if all you are going to do is promise things that are not doable or realistic, in order to garner votes and get elected, I would go out of my way to ensure you never occupy an elected office. Even if I don't live in your riding or province.
I have to learn from somewhere (I use Facebook and Reddit too). I don't have enough money yet to run townhalls. At least I'm honest. I'm also not an ivory-tower elitist.
We are not your personal policy sounding board. If you want policy advice, and are serious about running, you need to hire/attract a policy specialist. Especially considering how unrealistic and naive you appear to be on such issues.
And if all you are going to do is promise things that are not doable or realistic, in order to garner votes and get elected, I would go out of my way to ensure you never occupy an elected office. Even if I don't live in your riding or province.
I have to learn from somewhere (I use Facebook and Reddit too). I don't have enough money yet to run townhalls. At least I'm honest. I'm also not an ivory-tower elitist.
But you're willing to say and do anything to get a vote... that makes you no better than the ivory-tower elitists (whatever they are) that you are apparently deriding.
Do you not have any principles strong enough to argue and stand up for?
This also neglects the point that you wouldn't build them in Thunder Bay, because Bombardier doesn't build planes in Thunder Bay, it builds Trains and it is very happy building Trains there (and for at least 25 years and as far as I know has never built anything but trains there, unless maybe you go back to WWII and at that point it wasn't Bombardier). When Bombardier wants to build planes, it does so in Quebec.
I'm running in Thunder Bay so I need to promote job creation there as part of my ideas.
You guys are my policy beta testers. I need to find the "bugs" in my ideas so I can fix them.
I will fight and use any influence I receive to get Via Rail back to Thunder Bay (I know that Via Rail is federal, but the provincial government could help fund a restoration).
Better than Olympic ceremony neck beard poetry anyways. :P
"Green Party of Canada - Let's get the Conservatives out of power by... splitting the left vote three ways..."
Ultimately, I'm in favor of people voting for whichever party/candidate they feel best represents their interests, and if that's the Green Party or their local Green candidate, power to them. It's definitely not the best way to get the Cons out of power in the upcoming election though.
No one gives a shit about you running or your policies so fucking stop it.
You guys asked me to spoiler shit so I did.
It isnt the spoilers that are annoying people. I am guessing most people check this thread for updates or interesting news / views on Canadian politics.
We arent here to help you run a campaign, fine tune your policy platform, or listen to you soap box about whatever pet issue you discovered (UBB, Nuclear Power).
If you honestly want help running a campaign, you can create a thread in Help & Advice, with maybe a single link in here for the more giving to follow up on. Or you could hire some local undergrads as interns or assistants to help them pad their resumes.
darkphoenix22, if you're interested in a career in politics, the best place to start is on someone else's campaign. It isn't a business you can jump into blind, and it is unimaginably cruel to the young, inexperienced and idealistic. If you're interested in knowing what you're talking about, study law or political science.
No one gives a shit about you running or your policies so fucking stop it.
You guys asked me to spoiler shit so I did.
It isnt the spoilers that are annoying people. I am guessing most people check this thread for updates or interesting news / views on Canadian politics.
We arent here to help you run a campaign, fine tune your policy platform, or listen to you soap box about whatever pet issue you discovered (UBB, Nuclear Power).
If you honestly want help running a campaign, you can create a thread in Help & Advice, with maybe a single link in here for the more giving to follow up on. Or you could hire some local undergrads as interns or assistants to help them pad their resumes.
Also, free tip. Don't "announce" to the incumbent that you are running against him on Facebook. Have you been given the go ahead by the green party? If so he will hear who you are. If not you are just wasting time.
Every day you seem to be finding a politic issue or another to throw at us. Please make sure you actually look at both sides of an issue before getting all exited about them. Did you ever take a debate class? It will teach you to learn both points of view so that you can defend yours better. People on a internet forum are tearing your arguments apart. A seasoned politician will make you look silly.
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Like any sane and self-respecting Canadian, I am furthest away from the Conservatives.
Not surprised seeing as how my riding is 51.4% Conservative vote apparently.
I sense an opportunity for the opposition parties to break down one of the Cons most sacred talking points...
http://business.financialpost.com/2011/03/28/openmedia-says-bell-plans-to-pull-usage-based-billing-proposal/
Next up: Getting elected into Queen's Park!
My own riding is one of the few listed twice (target for both libs and NDP). Makes me all fuzzy inside.
Interestingly enough, while I support the Liberals federally, I'll be voting NDP because of my local NDP candidate.
My military plan:
1. License the blueprints for the Super Hornet from Boeing. Contract Bombardier to adjust the blueprints to Canada's needs. Manufacture the resulting planes in the Thunder Bay Bombardier plant. Create hundreds of jobs in Thunder Bay.
2. ???
3. PROFIT!
Screw the F-35s.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Boeing_F/A-18E/F_Super_Hornet
EDIT lololo The Tories on the subject of the recently disgraced Harper staffer, found working in a CPC election campaign office in Alberta
That really says it all, doesn't it
Seriously, Thunder Bay has plenty of room.
Clarification: I'm not in favour of canceling the F-35s as Canada has set itself up to sell parts for them to other countries. I'm in favour of Canada not actually buying them ourselves.
And screw "Not Invented Here". We should base our technology on the best technology, no matter the origin. It's pointless to dig a hole and fill it back up again.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Not_Invented_Here
Aside: I love how my economic policy is "do the opposite of what the neo-liberals did and explain why they were idiots".
Economics is NOT a science, it's a descriptive philosophy. It doesn't *prove* anything, it only explains and predicts.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Post-Keynesian_economics
Therefore, neoliberalism is the bona fide definition of stupidity.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Neoliberalism
Note: Regard my links as citations. Imagine that: A politician who cites the background of his policies!
Ummm... Bombardier does not build military planes? I'm not sure building the needed infrastructure from the ground up would be cost effective.
One of the specialties of Confederation College in Thunder Bay is Aerospace Engineering.
http://www.confederationc.on.ca/ace
Lakehead University also has a Mechanical Engineering program.
http://www.mylakehead.ca/programs/?program=Engineering+-+Mechanical&programid=33
Ya, it'll take bit a of construction and adjustment but it's much cheaper than paying other countries to do the same job.
Bombardier actually used to build military planes before they divested the division. It wouldn't be that hard to start another one.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Bombardier_Inc.#Military
Bombardier is still the third largest aerospace company in the world.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Bombardier_Aerospace
It's called being a politician. Tis my job.
No, that's called being a bad politician.
Then debate with me and tell me why I'm wrong. Resorting to personal attacks means you lose.
Because you can't just turn around and say" Hey, goverment of Canada, let's scrap the F-35 and build our own jet." There is no infrastructure present in Canada to do that and you will end up paying more the the F-35's where going to cost anyway. We are not talking about toys here, these are pretty much the most sophisticated pieces of military hardware out there.
saying that "it's a politician's job" to push stuff like that just proves the point that you have no idea how the system works.
And no, it is very hard to be a military fighter/bomber manufacturer. The timescale from conceptualization to full-scale production to service introduction runs in the order of decades, which is a start-up cost no corporation can absorb. That's why there's only a handful of military plane manufacturers in the world (Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin, Dassault Aviation, Mikoyan, Sukhoi,* Chengdu, Eurofighter, Shenyang, Saab, and a buncha others nobody consider seriously players), and all of them are closely tied to their home nations... because ultimately to facilitate the design and production of such high-cost, long-term projects, governments are the only entities able to absorb the required debt load. Also, the government has to be willing to commit upfront to the financial cost, so you avoid situations like Northrop Grumman going under faster than a lead balloon when you cut the order of B2 bombers from 125 to 25, which the Canadian government is clearly unable to do (see Avro, Sea Kings, F-35 debacles).
Additionally, every one of their projects has to sell en mass, somewhere in the order of a hundred planes minimum, for you to reach any sort of acceptable unit cost, because of the exorbitant investment in development and design, so unless Canada's going to be significantly expanding our military by orders of magnitude, the product better be competitive (read better) than other fifth-generation fighters to square away the markets of unaligned nations with military needs that Canada's willing to sell too (i.e. not Iran).
Also, I would not even fly in a small turboprop plane built by Confederation College and Lakehead U graduates, never mind a fifth-generation fighter jet.
If it is the job of a politician to be utterly ridiculously divorced from reality, then yes. You are doing your job well, because I have not heard an idea this batshit insane in this thread that wasn't from Loklar in a very very long time. If people are resorting to personal insults rather than debating with you on this, it would likely be because you cannot debate with madmen.
I mean, do you have any information indicating Bombardier'd even be willing to take on such a risky proposition for their business? Have you spoken to any military aviation experts to see if such a thing would even be possible? Have you bribed a whole lot of Americans for Boeing to hand over their designs to a foreign company, which I'm betting is probably soooooo freaking illegal it's not even funny?
* Technically, Mikoyan and Sukhoi don't even exist any more as separate companies, having been merged into a giant Russian military conglomerate by the government.
Also, very good post hippofant.
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I'm running in Thunder Bay so I need to promote job creation there as part of my ideas.
You guys are my policy beta testers. I need to find the "bugs" in my ideas so I can fix them.
Linus' Law:
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I've let Bill Mauro know I'm running against him.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bill-Mauro/197674273596142
I will fight and use any influence I receive to get Via Rail back to Thunder Bay (I know that Via Rail is federal, but the provincial government could help fund a restoration).
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Super_Continental
No one lives in Armstrong. 100,000 people live in Thunder Bay.
And if all you are going to do is promise things that are not doable or realistic, in order to garner votes and get elected, I would go out of my way to ensure you never occupy an elected office. Even if I don't live in your riding or province.
I have to learn from somewhere (I use Facebook and Reddit too). I don't have enough money yet to run townhalls. At least I'm honest. I'm also not an ivory-tower elitist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph_-qac-u98
Better than Olympic ceremony neck beard poetry anyways. :P
But you're willing to say and do anything to get a vote... that makes you no better than the ivory-tower elitists (whatever they are) that you are apparently deriding.
Do you not have any principles strong enough to argue and stand up for?
No one gives a shit about you running or your policies so fucking stop it.
You guys asked me to spoiler shit so I did.
"Green Party of Canada - Let's get the Conservatives out of power by... splitting the left vote three ways..."
Ultimately, I'm in favor of people voting for whichever party/candidate they feel best represents their interests, and if that's the Green Party or their local Green candidate, power to them. It's definitely not the best way to get the Cons out of power in the upcoming election though.
It isnt the spoilers that are annoying people. I am guessing most people check this thread for updates or interesting news / views on Canadian politics.
We arent here to help you run a campaign, fine tune your policy platform, or listen to you soap box about whatever pet issue you discovered (UBB, Nuclear Power).
If you honestly want help running a campaign, you can create a thread in Help & Advice, with maybe a single link in here for the more giving to follow up on. Or you could hire some local undergrads as interns or assistants to help them pad their resumes.
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Also, free tip. Don't "announce" to the incumbent that you are running against him on Facebook. Have you been given the go ahead by the green party? If so he will hear who you are. If not you are just wasting time.
Every day you seem to be finding a politic issue or another to throw at us. Please make sure you actually look at both sides of an issue before getting all exited about them. Did you ever take a debate class? It will teach you to learn both points of view so that you can defend yours better. People on a internet forum are tearing your arguments apart. A seasoned politician will make you look silly.
So she wants to be stuck in hell? :P
Hey! I like to think I could beat [strike]Christine O'Donnell[/strike] Bev Oda in a debate!
Edit: Sorry, you said seasoned.