Yeah, the first flaw I can see is power. Keeping a drone in the air takes power, and constantly transmitting information (which will be needed to be a useful hub) takes power as well. I see from one of the articles in this thread that they will be battery-powered. So what happens when the battery runs out? Do you have staff people running to them to replace the battery (ridiculously expensive and impractical if the drones are deployed world-wide, not to mention that making the drones traceable to find them in this scenario defeats the whole "untraceable network" purpose that underlies this project)? Do you allow them to crash (dangerous to public safety) or self-destruct (pollution)? Or do you program them to use their last bit of power to land safely (no danger or pollution, but eventually people will find them, someone will hack one, and the whole network could potentially be compromised)?
Couldn't they just attach solar panels to the weather balloons?
That'll work well at night.
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To be located in international waters, they need to be over 230 miles from land, I believe. Are there actually radios that can reach that far and maintain a usable data rate?
Yeah, the first flaw I can see is power. Keeping a drone in the air takes power, and constantly transmitting information (which will be needed to be a useful hub) takes power as well. I see from one of the articles in this thread that they will be battery-powered. So what happens when the battery runs out? Do you have staff people running to them to replace the battery (ridiculously expensive and impractical if the drones are deployed world-wide, not to mention that making the drones traceable to find them in this scenario defeats the whole "untraceable network" purpose that underlies this project)? Do you allow them to crash (dangerous to public safety) or self-destruct (pollution)? Or do you program them to use their last bit of power to land safely (no danger or pollution, but eventually people will find them, someone will hack one, and the whole network could potentially be compromised)?
Couldn't they just attach solar panels to the weather balloons?
That'll work well at night.
Obviously it needs to store 24 hours of power in a 12year hour period.
While racing light mechs, your Urbanmech comes in second place, but only because it ran out of ammo.
I think the idea is great, though very impractical. I'd also say balloons with solar panels are they only way to make this remotely sustainable. Batteries suck and lose power quickly, and are also heavy. Motors and rotors will wear out quickly with continuous use. Battery replacements and repairs would be almost continuous. Balloons are the way to go.
To be located in international waters, they need to be over 230 miles from land, I believe. Are there actually radios that can reach that far and maintain a usable data rate?
To be located in international waters, they need to be over 230 miles from land, I believe. Are there actually radios that can reach that far and maintain a usable data rate?
The 370km/230miles is the Exclusive Economic Zone of a nation, which regards drilling and fishing - International waters as regards the presence of vehicles and shipping (outside territorial waters) starts at 12 nautical miles (22.2 km / 13.8 regular miles).
If the drone is a few hundred metres in the air its radio can cover that distance to shore very easily.
Should be interesting to keep monitoring this. I don't have high expectations but if they manage to go somewhere with this, it could have a fascinating effect on a number of things.
Yeah, the first flaw I can see is power. Keeping a drone in the air takes power, and constantly transmitting information (which will be needed to be a useful hub) takes power as well. I see from one of the articles in this thread that they will be battery-powered. So what happens when the battery runs out? Do you have staff people running to them to replace the battery (ridiculously expensive and impractical if the drones are deployed world-wide, not to mention that making the drones traceable to find them in this scenario defeats the whole "untraceable network" purpose that underlies this project)? Do you allow them to crash (dangerous to public safety) or self-destruct (pollution)? Or do you program them to use their last bit of power to land safely (no danger or pollution, but eventually people will find them, someone will hack one, and the whole network could potentially be compromised)?
Couldn't they just attach solar panels to the weather balloons?
That'll work well at night.
Obviously it needs to store 24 hours of power in a 12year hour period.
Isn't the main problem with solar power that you can't store it that long?
I have never had a damn thing to do with Pirate Bay, but if they do this I'll be downloading a ROM OF Skies of Arcadia, copying it to a disk, and putting it on display with a sign saying 'Provided by the authority of sky pirates'.
Then I'll play a legit copy of the game and it'll be awesome.
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I have never had a damn thing to do with Pirate Bay, but if they do this I'll be downloading a ROM OF Skies of Arcadia, copying it to a disk, and putting it on display with a sign saying 'Provided by the authority of sky pirates'.
Then I'll play a legit copy of the game and it'll be awesome.
I'm fair sure I've misunderstood some part of this project, but when they need juice, couldn't they just go home? The drones power cycles could be staggered to cover such absences.
I'm fair sure I've misunderstood some part of this project, but when they need juice, couldn't they just go home? The drones power cycles could be staggered to cover such absences.
wouldn't going 'home' to charge basically be going back to a place where they can be raided/seized
I'm fair sure I've misunderstood some part of this project, but when they need juice, couldn't they just go home? The drones power cycles could be staggered to cover such absences.
wouldn't going 'home' to charge basically be going back to a place where they can be raided/seized
True.
Of course, the systems HAVE to be able to come in for maintenance, even if it's just cleaning the bird poop off the antennae, which is when the sting happens. Alternatively LEOs can try to either hack the remote controls (presuming they have them) or grab the people with the codes and beat them with wrenches until they give those codes up.
I mean, a hell of a lot of the anti-piracy measures have already abandoned the laws as written in favor of judicial interpretations and illegal acts (hi there Sony's rootkit!).
But it will be interesting to watch, they have a donation site?
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I'm fair sure I've misunderstood some part of this project, but when they need juice, couldn't they just go home? The drones power cycles could be staggered to cover such absences.
wouldn't going 'home' to charge basically be going back to a place where they can be raided/seized
True.
Of course, the systems HAVE to be able to come in for maintenance, even if it's just cleaning the bird poop off the antennae, which is when the sting happens. Alternatively LEOs can try to either hack the remote controls (presuming they have them) or grab the people with the codes and beat them with wrenches until they give those codes up.
I mean, a hell of a lot of the anti-piracy measures have already abandoned the laws as written in favor of judicial interpretations and illegal acts (hi there Sony's rootkit!).
But it will be interesting to watch, they have a donation site?
The next logical step is for TPB to move to actual pirate ships which can serve as mobile service stations for the drones.
I'm fair sure I've misunderstood some part of this project, but when they need juice, couldn't they just go home? The drones power cycles could be staggered to cover such absences.
wouldn't going 'home' to charge basically be going back to a place where they can be raided/seized
True.
Of course, the systems HAVE to be able to come in for maintenance, even if it's just cleaning the bird poop off the antennae, which is when the sting happens. Alternatively LEOs can try to either hack the remote controls (presuming they have them) or grab the people with the codes and beat them with wrenches until they give those codes up.
I mean, a hell of a lot of the anti-piracy measures have already abandoned the laws as written in favor of judicial interpretations and illegal acts (hi there Sony's rootkit!).
But it will be interesting to watch, they have a donation site?
The next logical step is for TPB to move to actual pirate ships which can serve as mobile service stations for the drones.
Interesting parallel, I just picked up a copy of the latest Three Musketeers remake with all the airships because I never got to see it in theaters.
The main problem I can see is I think Sealand (and similar places, including real islands) tend to either scam the people setting up offshore servers or get "leaned on" by real nations until they back off.
I'm fair sure I've misunderstood some part of this project, but when they need juice, couldn't they just go home? The drones power cycles could be staggered to cover such absences.
wouldn't going 'home' to charge basically be going back to a place where they can be raided/seized
True.
Of course, the systems HAVE to be able to come in for maintenance, even if it's just cleaning the bird poop off the antennae, which is when the sting happens. Alternatively LEOs can try to either hack the remote controls (presuming they have them) or grab the people with the codes and beat them with wrenches until they give those codes up.
I mean, a hell of a lot of the anti-piracy measures have already abandoned the laws as written in favor of judicial interpretations and illegal acts (hi there Sony's rootkit!).
But it will be interesting to watch, they have a donation site?
The next logical step is for TPB to move to actual pirate ships which can serve as mobile service stations for the drones.
They need to lower expenses like gasoline and such. They should be eco friendly and use sails.
Although I can't help but feel like the US will probably responding by being like "fuck international waters, we'll shoot down your servers wherever we want!" At which point the question becomes whether the US can find the flying servers.
Although I can't help but feel like the US will probably responding by being like "fuck international waters, we'll shoot down your servers wherever we want!" At which point the question becomes whether the US can find the flying servers.
Or they push to outlaw or heavily regulate private drone craft including RC planes and such.
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Although I can't help but feel like the US will probably responding by being like "fuck international waters, we'll shoot down your servers wherever we want!" At which point the question becomes whether the US can find the flying servers.
Or they push to outlaw or heavily regulate private drone craft including RC planes and such.
I think they'll claim the drones interfere with naval operations and transatlantic shipping, and that they need to be destroyed as a matter of national security. If TPB is really hardcore, they should use manned drones. Even the RIAA wouldn't have the balls to shoot those down.
Although I can't help but feel like the US will probably responding by being like "fuck international waters, we'll shoot down your servers wherever we want!" At which point the question becomes whether the US can find the flying servers.
My guess would be yes? Pretty easily? The idea of a flying server for uploading and downloading large copyrighted files depends upon the platform broadcasting an electromagnetic signal continuously, and the technology for detecting a radio signal, identifying its azimuth and triangulating its location has been in existence since before the World War II.
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David_TA fashion yes-man is no good to me.Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered Userregular
I don't think they're actually going to send them out over international waters. Just a couple of clicks above, I dunno, Stockholm and Malmö.
So I'm guessing the US would probably have to consider a few things before launching missiles strikes at a couple of major Swedish cities.
Although I can't help but feel like the US will probably responding by being like "fuck international waters, we'll shoot down your servers wherever we want!" At which point the question becomes whether the US can find the flying servers.
My guess would be yes? Pretty easily? The idea of a flying server for uploading and downloading large copyrighted files depends upon the platform broadcasting an electromagnetic signal continuously, and the technology for detecting a radio signal, identifying its azimuth and triangulating its location has been in existence since before the World War II.
Oh yeah that's a good point. I guess if my WiFi connection can find the servers then the US military can too.
What will be fun to watch, is when we get to a point where it's fairly cheap to get things into orbit. Once that happens TBP could either get a country to willingly help them or have a front group do the paperwork to get a TBP satellite into orbit without anyone knowing that what is being deployed belongs to TBP.
What will be fun to watch, is when we get to a point where it's fairly cheap to get things into orbit. Once that happens TBP could either get a country to willingly help them or have a front group do the paperwork to get a TBP satellite into orbit without anyone knowing that what is being deployed belongs to TBP.
It would be really ironic if China or North Korea tried to become a leader for a "free the internet" campaign by doing that.
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MrMisterJesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered Userregular
edited March 2012
Yemen lets us go so far as to launch missiles inside their borders to toast Al-Qaida; somehow I doubt The Pirate Bay is going to be super-successful by virtue of hiding out in foreign airspace. Who's going to tell us no when we want to take down their drones? Nothing at all counts as 'an act of war' if the host country isn't willing to fight a war over it.
Yemen lets us go so far as to launch missiles inside their borders to toast Al-Qaida; somehow I doubt The Pirate Bay is going to be super-successful by virtue of hiding out in foreign airspace. Who's going to tell us no when we want to take down their drones? Nothing at all counts as 'an act of war' if the host country isn't willing to fight a war over it.
Shooting an explosive with express purpose of killing a terrorist is very different than firing an explosive at a computer server hovering above the heads of many many civilians. Because there will be debris that falls to earth, and commercial airlines and things in the way.
Also, because they are not combatants, there is probably some way of taking them down without firing missiles at them. Liking physically taking them down with a helicopter or something.
Also, because they are not combatants, there is probably some way of taking them down without firing missiles at them. Liking physically taking them down with a helicopter or something.
And yet, all of these methods are far more expensive than the actual construction and use of these drones probably will be. Meaning TPB still wins.
Also, because they are not combatants, there is probably some way of taking them down without firing missiles at them. Liking physically taking them down with a helicopter or something.
And yet, all of these methods are far more expensive than the actual construction and use of these drones probably will be. Meaning TPB still wins.
They might win if their goal was to stick it to The Man any way they could, but in terms of running their service that would be a solid loss.
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ArchonexNo hard feelings, right?Registered Userregular
edited March 2012
This is hilarious.
And that CTRL+ALT+DEL comic is actually funny. And not that off the mark what with the whole "escalation" mindset. You just know that if these drones go over some third world country, that some companies wouldn't be adverse to bribing paying the locals to take pot-shots at them.
Looking at it a bit harder, this is pretty much the "nuclear" option for TPB.
If they pull it off, they not only have a really damned hard network to shut down set up that can probably exist independent of the heads of TPB, but it also will open avenues for other groups to consider doing it too. At which point when that happens (And it's a when, really, not an if.), control over the internet pretty much goes out the door when it comes to companies and governments abusing their powers over it.
Honestly, i'm not even sure anyone can do anything legally against this either. The U.S firing on drones is not feasibly practical in terms of munitions per dollar, nor is finding them. It's part of why we field the things, in fact.
Also, anyone that fires on what are ostensibly neutral craft in international waters are going to get reamed by the international community no matter what the cause. Doubly so if others follow suit, and there's not a 100 percent confirmation that said server contains data/routing for TPB, and not some innocent organization. Then you can look forwards to plenty of lawsuits too.
Certainly brightens my day after hearing about how ISP's are going to start buddying up with the same sort of people that wanted SOPA passed to spy on their own customers/potentially force them into lawsuits.
Considering their previous plan to buy the micronation off the coast of England fell through, this is probably the cheapest and most technologically viable option.
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ArchonexNo hard feelings, right?Registered Userregular
Considering their previous plan to buy the micronation off the coast of England fell through, this is probably the cheapest and most technologically viable option.
I love that that was actually a thing. It's like they're plotting to become the worlds first super-villains.
This is also smarter, too. From what I recall, micro-nations have a habit of being invaded by nearby countries that want to annex the land. Usually by claiming that they owned it first and just weren't using it. The owners are then escorted away at gunpoint while the country in question plants a flag...And then just leaves the place as it is.
So unless TPB actually wants to build a standing army, this is probably the cheaper option.
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That'll work well at night.
Obviously it needs to store 24 hours of power in a 12year hour period.
It's more like 14 statute miles.
The 370km/230miles is the Exclusive Economic Zone of a nation, which regards drilling and fishing - International waters as regards the presence of vehicles and shipping (outside territorial waters) starts at 12 nautical miles (22.2 km / 13.8 regular miles).
If the drone is a few hundred metres in the air its radio can cover that distance to shore very easily.
God damn I love the internet.
battletag: Millin#1360
Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
Agreed. They are awful.
Isn't the main problem with solar power that you can't store it that long?
okay, good. i thought i was going crazy. the facial expressions even change a little bit! it's almost like a real comic
Then I'll play a legit copy of the game and it'll be awesome.
You should suspend it in midair.
wouldn't going 'home' to charge basically be going back to a place where they can be raided/seized
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZtTjMRxWRM
How can we have a thread about flying pirates with no Tailspin?
True.
Of course, the systems HAVE to be able to come in for maintenance, even if it's just cleaning the bird poop off the antennae, which is when the sting happens. Alternatively LEOs can try to either hack the remote controls (presuming they have them) or grab the people with the codes and beat them with wrenches until they give those codes up.
I mean, a hell of a lot of the anti-piracy measures have already abandoned the laws as written in favor of judicial interpretations and illegal acts (hi there Sony's rootkit!).
But it will be interesting to watch, they have a donation site?
The next logical step is for TPB to move to actual pirate ships which can serve as mobile service stations for the drones.
Interesting parallel, I just picked up a copy of the latest Three Musketeers remake with all the airships because I never got to see it in theaters.
The main problem I can see is I think Sealand (and similar places, including real islands) tend to either scam the people setting up offshore servers or get "leaned on" by real nations until they back off.
They need to lower expenses like gasoline and such. They should be eco friendly and use sails.
Although I can't help but feel like the US will probably responding by being like "fuck international waters, we'll shoot down your servers wherever we want!" At which point the question becomes whether the US can find the flying servers.
Or they push to outlaw or heavily regulate private drone craft including RC planes and such.
I think they'll claim the drones interfere with naval operations and transatlantic shipping, and that they need to be destroyed as a matter of national security. If TPB is really hardcore, they should use manned drones. Even the RIAA wouldn't have the balls to shoot those down.
My guess would be yes? Pretty easily? The idea of a flying server for uploading and downloading large copyrighted files depends upon the platform broadcasting an electromagnetic signal continuously, and the technology for detecting a radio signal, identifying its azimuth and triangulating its location has been in existence since before the World War II.
So I'm guessing the US would probably have to consider a few things before launching missiles strikes at a couple of major Swedish cities.
battletag: Millin#1360
Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
And yet, all of these methods are far more expensive than the actual construction and use of these drones probably will be. Meaning TPB still wins.
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Okay, I haven't followed CAD in years and I usually loathe the comic, but that was pretty funny
And that CTRL+ALT+DEL comic is actually funny. And not that off the mark what with the whole "escalation" mindset. You just know that if these drones go over some third world country, that some companies wouldn't be adverse to bribing paying the locals to take pot-shots at them.
Looking at it a bit harder, this is pretty much the "nuclear" option for TPB.
If they pull it off, they not only have a really damned hard network to shut down set up that can probably exist independent of the heads of TPB, but it also will open avenues for other groups to consider doing it too. At which point when that happens (And it's a when, really, not an if.), control over the internet pretty much goes out the door when it comes to companies and governments abusing their powers over it.
Honestly, i'm not even sure anyone can do anything legally against this either. The U.S firing on drones is not feasibly practical in terms of munitions per dollar, nor is finding them. It's part of why we field the things, in fact.
Also, anyone that fires on what are ostensibly neutral craft in international waters are going to get reamed by the international community no matter what the cause. Doubly so if others follow suit, and there's not a 100 percent confirmation that said server contains data/routing for TPB, and not some innocent organization. Then you can look forwards to plenty of lawsuits too.
Certainly brightens my day after hearing about how ISP's are going to start buddying up with the same sort of people that wanted SOPA passed to spy on their own customers/potentially force them into lawsuits.
I love that that was actually a thing. It's like they're plotting to become the worlds first super-villains.
This is also smarter, too. From what I recall, micro-nations have a habit of being invaded by nearby countries that want to annex the land. Usually by claiming that they owned it first and just weren't using it. The owners are then escorted away at gunpoint while the country in question plants a flag...And then just leaves the place as it is.
So unless TPB actually wants to build a standing army, this is probably the cheaper option.