I understand how she can harass him... but how the hell does she shrug off his harassment?
Yorick can't keep the harassment up until his tear is built and charged. She can rocket jump out of his trade attempts and life steal off the rather weak damage from W.
In the end she out harasses him by preventing him from using E optimally.
I understand how she can harass him... but how the hell does she shrug off his harassment?
Yorick can't keep the harassment up until his tear is built and charged. She can rocket jump out of his trade attempts and life steal off the rather weak damage from W.
In the end she out harasses him by preventing him from using E optimally.
She still takes damage from the initial ghoul explosion and if she's rocket jumping every time, she's out of mana fast.
I understand how she can harass him... but how the hell does she shrug off his harassment?
Yorick can't keep the harassment up until his tear is built and charged. She can rocket jump out of his trade attempts and life steal off the rather weak damage from W.
In the end she out harasses him by preventing him from using E optimally.
She still takes damage from the initial ghoul explosion and if she's rocket jumping every time, she's out of mana fast.
W does almost no damage. Tristana can deal constant ranged damage, she can sit back behind minion waves and poke Yorick when he goes in to last hit. Yorick's strength in lane is in part due to the people everyone puts in top lane.
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200 at rank 5 against a relatively squishy champion isn't exactly 'no damage'.
Have people here had success with AD Kennen? I've been playing him in bot games and I wanna know if he's any good against real people.
he works really well
one thing that is new and neat is taking AD kennen top lane, being a kennen-y lane bully, and then after you have boots and a couple doran's blades you switch to being full AP just to fuck with them
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His stun is legit and the ult is good dive protection. You just need to mostly fight the normal Kennen urge to dive into a pile of enemies.
also when i was looking at base stats earlier today to compare AD lux and AD sona to ashe, i noticed that kennen has ridiculously high base attack damage/speed stats
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I'm going to err on the side of you being silly, and simply say that I think you misread "singling-out" as "comparing"...
You're saying you want to do a 1v1 comparison late-game, but in what late games do any roles go 1v1? It should all be grouped roaming late-game. Your argument is as strong as trying to SORT before you CREATE in SQL.
No. I am saying we want to compare the abilities of the champions against each other as to how they compare in the various aspects of the game. We aren't saying "line these champions up and shoot at each other" we are saying "all things equal this champion is stronger in this point of the game"
And that is absolutely true. Cait has a weak lategame, she has a weak lategame not because she is a bad dueler, but because she has low DPS compared to the other carries and doesn't have the utility to back it up like Ashe does.
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I just fail to see how you aren't getting the point.
It's great to compare your carries in laning phase. I get that. But late-game is NEVER part of the laning phase.
Early game? Yeah. It's you and your support vs the enemy AD carry and their support.
Mid game? It's possible. This is the time where you gotta play it smart. One bad call, and your tower will go down. When towers start going down, that's when team fights and late game begins!
If you're still laning during late game...you've got a problem.
Also, I may not be a pro, but Caitlyn should be able to kill most other AD carries early and mid game fairly well. Even with a full build, I normally don't lose a showdown. But maybe people are just either bad at playing Caitlyn, or bad at utilizing her full span of abilities correctly.
So, we can compare carries in the laning phase. And we can compare carries in the team fight phase. No one was saying cait wasn't a good laner, they were saying that Cait was less strong than other AD carries in the lategame. I.E. she teamfights worse than Vayne/Kogmaw/Ashe/Graves etc.
Unless you are saying we can't compare champions in the lategame? Like that doesn't make sense to me at all. We all have had those games were we get stomped early, but have a better lategame than the other team because the champions are stronger in teams fights/have more synergy and go on to win[and of course the opposite ]
But I am saying that we can compare champions in the lategame, just like we can compare them in any part of the game. We can say "Yorick is a good Laner, but doesn't bring much to the table after that unless your carry is fed" or "Caitlyn is a really bully in lane, but has a weak lategame compared to other AD carries"
Played jungle naut, won and helped gank a bunch. He feels like a mao, low damage, good cc, tanky tank mid to late game. I am not sure if I like him all that much though. Also, I forgot how bad free week mords are. Because of the natural push they have and inability to buy wards, it seems like every game with mord top has him pushed to the tower, with no wards constantly getting ganked. I am so happy when I see the other team take him and so sad when my team takes him.
ad kennen is even more slippery than ap kennen because you don't need to use e or energy even for damage ever so you always have it up and can always escape
I'm low level, so this is the first time I'm seeing him. I actually feel bad using him he is so annoying.
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Manly Mundo so much better than tank Mundo
We lost the jungle fight 1 to 3 because after we saw them invading our red and hurried back from theirs, Graves facechecked the bush we knew they were in instead of waiting for the team
That's okay, Mundo makes up for it with constant ganks while Jax slowly wins top. Started 7/1/1 (died in the L1 fight) and took bot tower after picking up a double down there. Had to basically live bot so much because Graves kept facecheckin'
So I've been messing around with Yorick a bit and kind of doing my own thing. What do others like to run on him?
I've had some fun with him in the jungle and as support (haven't even had a chance to take him top yet) and while I like how i'm building him I'm curious as to other schools of thought for him.
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We lost the jungle fight 1 to 3 because after we saw them invading our red and hurried back from theirs, Graves facechecked the bush we knew they were in instead of waiting for the team
That's okay, Mundo makes up for it with constant ganks while Jax slowly wins top. Started 7/1/1 (died in the L1 fight) and took bot tower after picking up a double down there. Had to basically live bot so much because Graves kept facecheckin'
also when i was looking at base stats earlier today to compare AD lux and AD sona to ashe, i noticed that kennen has ridiculously high base attack damage/speed stats
this is part of why M5 was able to go "lol hey kennen's our carry sup" in that one tournament
he legitimately has the stats to make it count, trading in a good steroid for all the CC
also when i was looking at base stats earlier today to compare AD lux and AD sona to ashe, i noticed that kennen has ridiculously high base attack damage/speed stats
this is part of why M5 was able to go "lol hey kennen's our carry sup" in that one tournament
he legitimately has the stats to make it count, trading in a good steroid for all the CC
his W is an additional 80% damage on every fifth attack, which is functionally a 16% damage increase, which is a steroid
also i would argue that a movespeed buff is a steroid on ranged AD
also when i was looking at base stats earlier today to compare AD lux and AD sona to ashe, i noticed that kennen has ridiculously high base attack damage/speed stats
this is part of why M5 was able to go "lol hey kennen's our carry sup" in that one tournament
he legitimately has the stats to make it count, trading in a good steroid for all the CC
his W is an additional 80% damage on every fifth attack, which is functionally a 16% damage increase, which is a steroid
also i would argue that a movespeed buff is a steroid on ranged AD
but yeah i know what you mean + agree
He's also got a stun that stacks very well with red/FM, unlike ashe's which stacks poorly.
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In the end she out harasses him by preventing him from using E optimally.
That was a hard fought game, good thing I refused their surrender at 20 minutes because we were a few kills and turrets behind. (Riven owns)
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W does almost no damage. Tristana can deal constant ranged damage, she can sit back behind minion waves and poke Yorick when he goes in to last hit. Yorick's strength in lane is in part due to the people everyone puts in top lane.
If you have rank 5 W in lane you're going to have no sustain.
he works really well
one thing that is new and neat is taking AD kennen top lane, being a kennen-y lane bully, and then after you have boots and a couple doran's blades you switch to being full AP just to fuck with them
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and his W has AD scaling
and he has ridiculous peel for himself
so he's a good ranged AD
So, we can compare carries in the laning phase. And we can compare carries in the team fight phase. No one was saying cait wasn't a good laner, they were saying that Cait was less strong than other AD carries in the lategame. I.E. she teamfights worse than Vayne/Kogmaw/Ashe/Graves etc.
Unless you are saying we can't compare champions in the lategame? Like that doesn't make sense to me at all. We all have had those games were we get stomped early, but have a better lategame than the other team because the champions are stronger in teams fights/have more synergy and go on to win[and of course the opposite
But I am saying that we can compare champions in the lategame, just like we can compare them in any part of the game. We can say "Yorick is a good Laner, but doesn't bring much to the table after that unless your carry is fed" or "Caitlyn is a really bully in lane, but has a weak lategame compared to other AD carries"
Manly Mundo so much better than tank Mundo
We lost the jungle fight 1 to 3 because after we saw them invading our red and hurried back from theirs, Graves facechecked the bush we knew they were in instead of waiting for the team
That's okay, Mundo makes up for it with constant ganks while Jax slowly wins top. Started 7/1/1 (died in the L1 fight) and took bot tower after picking up a double down there. Had to basically live bot so much because Graves kept facecheckin'
I've had some fun with him in the jungle and as support (haven't even had a chance to take him top yet) and while I like how i'm building him I'm curious as to other schools of thought for him.
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this is part of why M5 was able to go "lol hey kennen's our carry sup" in that one tournament
he legitimately has the stats to make it count, trading in a good steroid for all the CC
his W is an additional 80% damage on every fifth attack, which is functionally a 16% damage increase, which is a steroid
also i would argue that a movespeed buff is a steroid on ranged AD
but yeah i know what you mean + agree
Obviously that meant top and bottom towers were abandoned in under five minutes when they decided to go play Counter Strike.
2v5 fun.
Don't we already have tryndamere?
Or is this tryndamere with an axe?
He's also got a stun that stacks very well with red/FM, unlike ashe's which stacks poorly.
Fuck that. Dive like a pro!
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