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sdrawkcaB emaNsdrawkcaB emaN regular
edited August 2007 in Debate and/or Discourse
So, I remember hearing from somewhere that in this movie, Robert DeNiro plays a gay airship pirate. That has to be the single best role in American cinematic history.

I also vaguely remember hearing that this is an adaptation of some fantasy IP, so I'm surprised no one's started a thread yet. Opens Aug. 10th in the US. I know very little about it, so any information/discussion/hopes/fears would be appreciated.

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    The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    what, its too hard for you to link the apple trailer or official website?

    (it looks really cool)

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    sdrawkcaB emaNsdrawkcaB emaN regular
    edited July 2007
    The Cat wrote: »
    what, its too hard for you to link the apple trailer or official website?

    (it looks really cool)

    My bad. I'll fix that.

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    Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    They seem to have changed the story to a large degree and Claire Danes looks like a shoe.

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    DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited July 2007
    I want to see it because it looks so neat and original. If it does turn out to be an adaption of an IP I will be disappointed, but will just ignore that.

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    Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Rygar wrote: »
    I want to see it because it looks so neat and original. If it does turn out to be an adaption of an IP I will be disappointed, but will just ignore that.

    ??

    It's Neil Gaiman's Stardust, in screenplay form.

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    The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    Its a Neil Gaiman novel, but its been so long since I read it I have no idea what's changed.

    still, Ricky Gervais.

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    Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    It seems that there's conflict on the airship, which was most assuredly not there to begin with.

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    sdrawkcaB emaNsdrawkcaB emaN regular
    edited July 2007
    Oh man, I just watched the trailer (I had just seen the TV spots 'til now) and it looks pretty fuckin' rad.

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I love the book, hopefully the movie will do it justice.

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    clsCorwinclsCorwin Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I recall no airship. Blasphemy!

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    Target PracticeTarget Practice Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Man, they need to stop with these movie versions of Gaiman's novels and do a Sandman movie already.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Wait, airship?

    What the fuck does that have to do with stars that are living beings and capable of love?

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    IIRC the airship was a quiet interlude in the novel. Guess they sprouced it up a bit.

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    Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    don't look a gift horse in the mouth guys

    airships

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    FloofyFloofy Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Man, they need to stop with these movie versions of Gaiman's novels and do a Sandman movie already.

    Gaiman and Del Toro (of Pan's Labyrinth and Hellboy fame) are working on a film of one of the Death spinoffs from that universe, Death: The high cost of living, I think. Hopefully if that does well it'd open the door to Sandman films. (Although to be honest I can see them working better as a serial rather than being crammed into a few films personally.)

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Floofy wrote: »
    Man, they need to stop with these movie versions of Gaiman's novels and do a Sandman movie already.

    Gaiman and Del Toro (of Pan's Labyrinth and Hellboy fame) are working on a film of one of the Death spinoffs from that universe, Death: The high cost of living, I think. Hopefully if that does well it'd open the door to Sandman films. (Although to be honest I can see them working better as a serial rather than being crammed into a few films personally.)

    Yeah, I'd much rather see Sandman as an HBO series (like they were supposed to be doing with Preacher, last I heard) - they could do a season on Preludes & nocturne, maybe a season on Doll's House, one on Season of Mists... ok pretty much a season on each TPB. It'd give them a nice cast of permanant characters (Morpheus, Death, Mervin, Lucien, Matthias, etc.) but also huge potential for temporary guest stars. GOddamnit I'm drooling just thinking about it.

    Anyway, yeah Gaiman said that this has changed from the book (particularly the airship bit and DeNiro's character being a crossdresser), but he still had a heavy hand in it and likes the way it turned out. Claire Danes is a friend of his (she wrote the intro to one of the Death books) so I know that at least one of the actors will get their character. Michelle Pfieffer looks great too.

    Also, Ricky Gervais.

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    ÆthelredÆthelred Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The Cat wrote: »
    Its a Neil Gaiman novel, but its been so long since I read it I have no idea what's changed.

    still, Ricky Gervais.

    .. should be nowhere near this. My enthusiasm for the film plummeted the moment I learnt he was in it.

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    thundercakethundercake Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    It looks really pretty! And the pirate has a great costume.

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    EtelmikEtelmik Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I was hoping that this was aiming at and successfully going to be a new kind of Princess Bride (for which there has been no decent comparison), but it's going to suck. The preview shows it. No excitement, terrible script. This'll end up like Eragon.

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    HorusHorus Los AngelesRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Are Gaiman's books connected each other (seires) or independent from each other. Just got one book American God was wondering if it was a sequel or something.

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    NerissaNerissa Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Quid wrote: »
    Wait, airship?

    What the fuck does that have to do with stars that are living beings and capable of love?

    Ah... NOW I know what to go grab off the bookshelf to tide me over until I get back to B&N. Thanks, Quid. :D

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    NeadenNeaden Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Horus wrote: »
    Are Gaiman's books connected each other (seires) or independent from each other. Just got one book American God was wondering if it was a sequel or something.
    American God's has a semi sequel in the form of Anansai Boy's which carries over one character and a couple of concepts, but thats it.

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Horus wrote: »
    Are Gaiman's books connected each other (seires) or independent from each other. Just got one book American God was wondering if it was a sequel or something.

    Really, all his books are the same thing. Ordinary people's beliefs affecting the natural order of things ... the spectacular hidden in plain sight ... forgotten gods trying to eek out a decent living. In the Sandman comics, one god was a travel agent. D: In that sense, yes, every Gaiman book is a sequel to American Gods. :P

    Did anyone here read his short story in '999?' :rotate:


    EDIT: In Stardust, I thought it adorable how the star fell to earth, realized she had broken her leg, squirmed around in the field looking for help and then, exhausted, she whispered to herself, "Fuck."

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    DisrupterDisrupter Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Etelmik wrote: »
    I was hoping that this was aiming at and successfully going to be a new kind of Princess Bride (for which there has been no decent comparison), but it's going to suck. The preview shows it. No excitement, terrible script. This'll end up like Eragon.

    See funnily enough, knowing NOTHING at all about the source material and viewing that trailer I thought to myself "oh sweet, it looks like it could be this generations Princess Bride!"

    So...i dont know if it "failed" to do that in the trailer...since it very much suceeded with my viewing.

    Im not even sure WHY it gave me a Princess Bride vibe, it just did...

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The Cat wrote: »
    Its a Neil Gaiman novel, but its been so long since I read it I have no idea what's changed.

    still, Ricky Gervais.

    .. should be nowhere near this. My enthusiasm for the film plummeted the moment I learnt he was in it.

    You shut your filthy mouth.

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    Target PracticeTarget Practice Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Floofy wrote: »
    Man, they need to stop with these movie versions of Gaiman's novels and do a Sandman movie already.

    Gaiman and Del Toro (of Pan's Labyrinth and Hellboy fame) are working on a film of one of the Death spinoffs from that universe, Death: The high cost of living, I think. Hopefully if that does well it'd open the door to Sandman films. (Although to be honest I can see them working better as a serial rather than being crammed into a few films personally.)

    Meh. The Death spinoffs weren't that great, and I don't see either of them working too well without a grounding in the Sandman (although if they were going to do it, HCoL makes more sense than Time of Your Life, which involves the personal lives of that lesbian couple from (I think) A Game of You. They show up in HCoL too, but they're not the focus of it.

    Also, I agree that there's too much in the Sandman to be crammed into two or three movies, but let's be honest: There's a good bit of filler.

    Still, a serial would probably work better.

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Floofy wrote: »
    Man, they need to stop with these movie versions of Gaiman's novels and do a Sandman movie already.

    Gaiman and Del Toro (of Pan's Labyrinth and Hellboy fame) are working on a film of one of the Death spinoffs from that universe, Death: The high cost of living, I think. Hopefully if that does well it'd open the door to Sandman films. (Although to be honest I can see them working better as a serial rather than being crammed into a few films personally.)

    Meh. The Death spinoffs weren't that great, and I don't see either of them working too well without a grounding in the Sandman (although if they were going to do it, HCoL makes more sense than Time of Your Life, which involves the personal lives of that lesbian couple from (I think) A Game of You. They show up in HCoL too, but they're not the focus of it.

    Also, I agree that there's too much in the Sandman to be crammed into two or three movies, but let's be honest: There's a good bit of filler.

    Still, a serial would probably work better.

    I agree 1000%. Dream is more interesting than Death and Death can't come across as cheerful unless there's a contrast standing right next to her. I really don't think a chirpy, upbeat personification of dying is going to sell movie tickets.

    On the other hand, making a movie about Dream would exhaust any special effects budget. How many millions would it take to make an animatronic unicorn, a CG griffin, and a muppet wyvern that all guard a castle wrapped in fantasy?

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    FloofyFloofy Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The easy way to get around the issues of cost surrounding a big screen treatment of Sandman would be to get together however many of the original artists they could together and make Sandman: The Animated Series. With Mckean directing and Gaiman writing the screenplay. Dear god that would be amazing.

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    The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    Man, sandman's got way too much MA+ level content for the film industry to do it justice. Either it'll be toned down to the point of stupidity or some fucker will turn it into torture porn.

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The Cat wrote: »
    Man, sandman's got way too much MA+ level content for the film industry to do it justice. Either it'll be toned down to the point of stupidity or some fucker will turn it into torture porn.

    Eli Roth's "24 Hours"?

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    FellhandFellhand Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    They've tried writing scripts for it. Gaiman has said on his blog that he even read one where Dream fist fights a guy.

    The lord of dreams knuckle busting. Did the writer even read the comic?

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    Target PracticeTarget Practice Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The Cat wrote: »
    Man, sandman's got way too much MA+ level content for the film industry to do it justice. Either it'll be toned down to the point of stupidity or some fucker will turn it into torture porn.

    I don't know what "MA+ content" is, but it makes me think of NC-17, and I can't really think of anything in The Sandman that would warrant one of those. Most of the really sick stuff in it is only implied.

    ennmee: The basic problem I see is this: How do they introduce her? I mean, in the Death minis, they didn't have to. Anybody reading them already knew who she was and her background. But in the movie, what are they going to do? Just have a perky goth chick appear saying she's Death?

    Anyway, like I said, I don't think the two Death minis were that great. I much prefer her story in Endless Nights.

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The Cat wrote: »
    Man, sandman's got way too much MA+ level content for the film industry to do it justice. Either it'll be toned down to the point of stupidity or some fucker will turn it into torture porn.

    I don't know what "MA+ content" is, but it makes me think of NC-17, and I can't really think of anything in The Sandman that would warrant one of those. Most of the really sick stuff in it is only implied.

    The stuff in "24 Hours" was pretty sick... all these people fucking and torturing each other and themselves. Plus some of the stuff that the Corinthian gets up to. Although you're probably right about that not being NC-17; if "Hostel 2" can get away with an R-rating, I really can't imagine what you'd need to do to get an NC-17.

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    lostwordslostwords Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Sandman could work as an HBO or Showtime miniseries. Only it wouldn't really be mini. I mean, they're already hard at work on Preacher and a Song of Ice and Fire, which have some mature content in them. A lot would be lost, but that goes without saying.

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    sdrawkcaB emaNsdrawkcaB emaN regular
    edited July 2007
    KalTorak wrote: »
    The Cat wrote: »
    Man, sandman's got way too much MA+ level content for the film industry to do it justice. Either it'll be toned down to the point of stupidity or some fucker will turn it into torture porn.

    I don't know what "MA+ content" is, but it makes me think of NC-17, and I can't really think of anything in The Sandman that would warrant one of those. Most of the really sick stuff in it is only implied.

    The stuff in "24 Hours" was pretty sick... all these people fucking and torturing each other and themselves. Plus some of the stuff that the Corinthian gets up to. Although you're probably right about that not being NC-17; if "Hostel 2" can get away with an R-rating, I really can't imagine what you'd need to do to get an NC-17.

    A clear shot of a penis penetrating an orifice.

    Because incredibly grotesque torture is totally cool, but sex?!!? Ewwwwwww!! Dirrrrrrrrrty!

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    Target PracticeTarget Practice Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    KalTorak wrote: »
    The Cat wrote: »
    Man, sandman's got way too much MA+ level content for the film industry to do it justice. Either it'll be toned down to the point of stupidity or some fucker will turn it into torture porn.

    I don't know what "MA+ content" is, but it makes me think of NC-17, and I can't really think of anything in The Sandman that would warrant one of those. Most of the really sick stuff in it is only implied.

    The stuff in "24 Hours" was pretty sick... all these people fucking and torturing each other and themselves. Plus some of the stuff that the Corinthian gets up to. Although you're probably right about that not being NC-17; if "Hostel 2" can get away with an R-rating, I really can't imagine what you'd need to do to get an NC-17.

    24 Hours?

    Oh, right. The thing with that crazy guy who got Dream's amulet. I forgot about that.

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Aemilius wrote: »
    KalTorak wrote: »
    The Cat wrote: »
    Man, sandman's got way too much MA+ level content for the film industry to do it justice. Either it'll be toned down to the point of stupidity or some fucker will turn it into torture porn.

    I don't know what "MA+ content" is, but it makes me think of NC-17, and I can't really think of anything in The Sandman that would warrant one of those. Most of the really sick stuff in it is only implied.

    The stuff in "24 Hours" was pretty sick... all these people fucking and torturing each other and themselves. Plus some of the stuff that the Corinthian gets up to. Although you're probably right about that not being NC-17; if "Hostel 2" can get away with an R-rating, I really can't imagine what you'd need to do to get an NC-17.

    A clear shot of a penis penetrating an orifice.

    Because incredibly grotesque torture is totally cool, but sex?!!? Ewwwwwww!! Dirrrrrrrrrty!

    Touche, sir.

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    What was the one with the convention of serial killers called? I think that would be a great way to start off a Sandman movie with some tuning - crazy shit happens but us average people never stop to think about it.

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    SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    emnmnme wrote: »
    What was the one with the convention of serial killers called? I think that would be a great way to start off a Sandman movie with some tuning - crazy shit happens but us average people never stop to think about it.

    The Doll's House.

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    EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Woah, I forgot that Stardust was a Gaiman flick. Crappy previews or not, this puts in on my must-watch list. If nothing else, I've been looking for the perfect movie to watch with my dad at Gen Con next month. Unfortunately, the title is leading to less dramatic connotations; every time I hear it, my mind just starts thinking about unicorns fighting narwhals.

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