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their casting isn't great but I've come to really like both of them after disliking them for a while (after originally liking gretorp a lot a lot back when he was just an educational streamer)
Gotta give it to Scarlett's tenacity: EVERYTHING past those ~8 fully charged infestors going down the drain, for no gain whatsoever, pointed towards Alive taking that game... Up until that goddamn megafungal'd engagement towards the end, really didn't expect such a turnaround. :rotate:
Could've sworn the LAN version was brought up just this week at a previous tourney, possibly a WCS.
The special Blizz-only LAN verison.
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I now want to see all 3 wcs go to old school terrans (or grubby)
gogo taeja/polt
gogo mma (at least please beat mc. I really don't like mc. not personally just... ro4 is a fine place for him to fall out. I don't want to see him win)
edit - OOOOOOOO OR how about one race takes each. didn't that happen last season? it was soulkey/mvp/hero?
the best part is grubby can win and either scarlett or jaedong can win, both of which are awesome.
so I'm gonna go with that. sorry taeja, polt, and mma. but you don't need my help anyway.
It looked like the one protoss that would win a baserace with a terran there for a while, but with no blink or anything Taeja can just lead around Macsed's army as long as he wants/needs now?
Edit: Huh. Waddayaknow?
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if he kept those vikings alive he could have gotten a draw but unless macsed fucked up he was never gonna win
It looked like the one protoss that would win a baserace with a terran there for a while, but with no blink or anything Taeja can just lead around Macsed's army as long as he wants/needs now?
Edit: Huh. Waddayaknow?
MLG had a "draw game" rule about unable to kill lifted buildings.
I'd imagine WCS also has a similar rule.
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That choke by Taeja T.T If he had played for the draw, he would have gotten it for sure. Instead... GODDAMNIT.
Why do you guys think Asians in general seem to be more skilled than other players? Is it just the practice regiment being super intense?
Yes. And it's actually interesting you bring this up now, because there's a huge upset going on in TI3 because half of the top 8 teams are Western and two of the top 3 are guaranteed to be Western (Western teams will probably take 1st and 2nd), whereas last year every Eastern team that entered was top 8 and the top 8 was Eastern teams (of which there were only 7 to begin with) and Na'Vi, who got second.
The Western teams took that year, adapted and practiced really hard and improved, and now the Eastern teams are having to really work for it when they do win and often are losing.
It's really a practice/environment/hard work/mentality/etc thing, and Western Dota as a scene has really embraced that more than Western SC2 has.
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agree with frozenzen.
- training hard (which falls under 'taking it seriously', which I think more applies to korea+starcraft than any other esport)
- close proximity (I truly believe nothing can beat being in the same room with the people you train with and having smaller countries literally, directly translates to making this easier. I remember someone talking about sc2 team houses and like, imagine literally during breakfast lunch and dinner you're strategizing. on your off time even if you're not talking about the game, you're talking to people who think about the game 24/7.)
- we're also getting to the point where established history has influence. koreans have been playing starcraft really fucking well for a long time now. as with the chinese and dota/dota2. that's hard to topple. you see that in pro sports too, success feeds on itself in various ways.
Why do you guys think Asians in general seem to be more skilled than other players? Is it just the practice regiment being super intense?
Yes. And it's actually interesting you bring this up now, because there's a huge upset going on in TI3 because half of the top 8 teams are Western and two of the top 3 are guaranteed to be Western (Western teams will probably take 1st and 2nd), whereas last year every Eastern team that entered was top 8 and the top 8 was Eastern teams (of which there were only 7 to begin with) and Na'Vi, who got second.
The Western teams took that year, adapted and practiced really hard and improved, and now the Eastern teams are having to really work for it when they do win and often are losing.
It's really a practice/environment/hard work/mentality/etc thing, and Western Dota as a scene has really embraced that more than Western SC2 has.
See, I disagree. I think more than anything else, it's the competitive environment. Since you brought up DotA2, you are crazy if you think the Western teams are working harder than the Chinese. The Chinese are working goddamn hard. The problem (and the Chinese players have talked about this themselves) is that they get like 1 tournament every couple of months. They can't scrim outside of China due to lag (USE and SEA are both at least 200ms, usually more.) ACE (the KeSPA of Chinese Dota) stops them from joining tournaments under a certain prize pool. So the result is an incredibly insular training environment where they can't easily train against different strats and they don't even have tournaments to play for most of the time. It doesn't help that the best Chinese teams have been in turmoil leading up to TI3, with LGD roster issues and IG in a slump, though Tongfu has been over performing like crazy.
Similarly, compare NA and EU Starcraft. NA has next to no tournaments, whereas EU has way more, and the result is incredibly obvious. There's no motivation to work so goddamn hard when there are barely tournaments, and even if you wanted to, the talent pool just isn't deep and wide enough in NA. Look at how Goswser moved to EU to play, and theognis also brings it up in his farewell blog. And, EU players are catching up to KR players. If you compare 2011 SC when it wasn't unexpected to see only KR in top 8, there are EU players that can compete now. And almost all the big foreign hopes in SC have been from EU as well.
Hard work is not nearly as important as being able to get good practice, have things to practice towards, and actual competition.
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Buuuut? What in the fuck? Those last 7-8 mins looked like a dead set Alive win :O
It was scarlet taking out Alive's bottom base, where ALL his scvs where.
Observer missed it but he had basically no bank or income after that.
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Ah, that explains it. He had mad bank up until the end and I was wondering why it totally dried up after his unfortunate large engagement.
Edit2: Pretty mad creepspread...
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Could've sworn the LAN version was brought up just this week at a previous tourney, possibly a WCS.
The special Blizz-only LAN verison.
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gogo taeja/polt
gogo mma (at least please beat mc. I really don't like mc. not personally just... ro4 is a fine place for him to fall out. I don't want to see him win)
edit - OOOOOOOO OR how about one race takes each. didn't that happen last season? it was soulkey/mvp/hero?
the best part is grubby can win and either scarlett or jaedong can win, both of which are awesome.
so I'm gonna go with that. sorry taeja, polt, and mma. but you don't need my help anyway.
Edit: Huh. Waddayaknow?
MLG had a "draw game" rule about unable to kill lifted buildings.
I'd imagine WCS also has a similar rule.
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Yes. And it's actually interesting you bring this up now, because there's a huge upset going on in TI3 because half of the top 8 teams are Western and two of the top 3 are guaranteed to be Western (Western teams will probably take 1st and 2nd), whereas last year every Eastern team that entered was top 8 and the top 8 was Eastern teams (of which there were only 7 to begin with) and Na'Vi, who got second.
The Western teams took that year, adapted and practiced really hard and improved, and now the Eastern teams are having to really work for it when they do win and often are losing.
It's really a practice/environment/hard work/mentality/etc thing, and Western Dota as a scene has really embraced that more than Western SC2 has.
- training hard (which falls under 'taking it seriously', which I think more applies to korea+starcraft than any other esport)
- close proximity (I truly believe nothing can beat being in the same room with the people you train with and having smaller countries literally, directly translates to making this easier. I remember someone talking about sc2 team houses and like, imagine literally during breakfast lunch and dinner you're strategizing. on your off time even if you're not talking about the game, you're talking to people who think about the game 24/7.)
- we're also getting to the point where established history has influence. koreans have been playing starcraft really fucking well for a long time now. as with the chinese and dota/dota2. that's hard to topple. you see that in pro sports too, success feeds on itself in various ways.
I need to pull myself away from gw2 abit and play some sc2 heh. I'm starting to actually feel comfortable and get a very rudimentary sense of timings.
See, I disagree. I think more than anything else, it's the competitive environment. Since you brought up DotA2, you are crazy if you think the Western teams are working harder than the Chinese. The Chinese are working goddamn hard. The problem (and the Chinese players have talked about this themselves) is that they get like 1 tournament every couple of months. They can't scrim outside of China due to lag (USE and SEA are both at least 200ms, usually more.) ACE (the KeSPA of Chinese Dota) stops them from joining tournaments under a certain prize pool. So the result is an incredibly insular training environment where they can't easily train against different strats and they don't even have tournaments to play for most of the time. It doesn't help that the best Chinese teams have been in turmoil leading up to TI3, with LGD roster issues and IG in a slump, though Tongfu has been over performing like crazy.
Similarly, compare NA and EU Starcraft. NA has next to no tournaments, whereas EU has way more, and the result is incredibly obvious. There's no motivation to work so goddamn hard when there are barely tournaments, and even if you wanted to, the talent pool just isn't deep and wide enough in NA. Look at how Goswser moved to EU to play, and theognis also brings it up in his farewell blog. And, EU players are catching up to KR players. If you compare 2011 SC when it wasn't unexpected to see only KR in top 8, there are EU players that can compete now. And almost all the big foreign hopes in SC have been from EU as well.
Hard work is not nearly as important as being able to get good practice, have things to practice towards, and actual competition.
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