A Clinton narrative! Has the Clinton campaign even responded much? Seems like they're stepping back and letting the Trump campaign do most of the work for them this week
I am FINALLY caught up with the thread. I was last caught up yesterday afternoon; the universe cracked and flooded this thread with insanity in a mere 12-hour period.
This election season. I just... what? I can no longer discern reality from satire. Everything in this thread is stuck in a quantum superposition of being both completely believeable and unbelievable simultaneously, even when observed and measured.
It's worth pointing out that it normally almost never happens that you have a "faithless elector", they pretty much always vote with the popular vote. But yes, the whole concept of the Electoral College is super undemocratic and should go away.
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My concern about the GA defector is that he talks about putting in a write-in candidate, and not Hillary. This means that now people can view a vote for Donald Trump as a vote for Generic Republican, hoping the electoral college will split the vote, have no majority, and Congress steps in to install a yet-to-be-named R.
Not quite "yet-to-be-named.". In case of no electoral majority, the House must select one of the top three candidates receiving electoral votes. So the House chooses between Clinton, Trump, and whoever Vu writes in.
Well, assuming Vu's vote swings the thing. Otherwise they'll need a critical mass of electors, and you could get all sorts of handfuls of write-ins with that.
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Too many people don't understand why the founding fathers put the EC in place. I blame public schools.
The EC exists for the express purpose of stopping the uneducated masses from putting a tyrant or madman in power. That is literally it's purpose. Like many other protections the founding fathers put in place against the uneducated masses fucking up the republic, the EC has been forgotten/weakened over the years.
Why would anyone who wanted to keep their job in the campaign voice anything negative about Trump right now?
Being a Trump staffer is the easiest job in the world. Nothing you do matters, your boss never looks at your work, and you get paid (hopefully).
The paid part is probably what would get people to walk. I can't imagine he's not keeping up his usual bullshit with regards to pay checks. I'd be surprised if staffers have gotten half the money owed.
My immediate though to this comment was he's going to stiff them all for substandard work. No doubt about it.
Wait, so there are 21 out of 50 states, where the electoral college can ignore the public vote? Just how fucked up is your election system? Why do people in these 21 states even go to the voting booth if the Electors can just go "nah" and ignore them?
So it has only happened like twice with no effect, and I think one of those times it was forcibly changed to match the popular vote. Yes it's dumb
My concern about the GA defector is that he talks about putting in a write-in candidate, and not Hillary. This means that now people can view a vote for Donald Trump as a vote for Generic Republican, hoping the electoral college will split the vote, have no majority, and Congress steps in to install a yet-to-be-named R.
Not quite "yet-to-be-named.". In case of no electoral majority, the House must select one of the top three candidates receiving electoral votes. So the House chooses between Clinton, Trump, and whoever Vu writes in.
Well, assuming Vu's vote swings the thing. Otherwise they'll need a critical mass of electors, and you could get all sorts of handfuls of write-ins with that.
President Ron Paul, is what I'm saying.
Because that's how this gets even more fucked up.
As long as Clinton secures a majority of the popular and EC votes legitimately and faithfully, I couldn't care less how many electors decide to write in "not-Trump". It won't stop certain folk from claming that she "stole the election", but they're going to claim that regardless and maybe it'll force those states to adopt some legal punishments for faithless electors; or, if I dare dream, and overhaul/abolishment of the College entirely.
My concern about the GA defector is that he talks about putting in a write-in candidate, and not Hillary. This means that now people can view a vote for Donald Trump as a vote for Generic Republican, hoping the electoral college will split the vote, have no majority, and Congress steps in to install a yet-to-be-named R.
Not quite "yet-to-be-named.". In case of no electoral majority, the House must select one of the top three candidates receiving electoral votes. So the House chooses between Clinton, Trump, and whoever Vu writes in.
Well, assuming Vu's vote swings the thing. Otherwise they'll need a critical mass of electors, and you could get all sorts of handfuls of write-ins with that.
President Ron Paul, is what I'm saying.
Because that's how this gets even more fucked up.
As long as Clinton secures a majority of the popular and EC votes legitimately and faithfully, I couldn't care less how many electors decide to write in "not-Trump". It won't stop certain folk from claming that she "stole the election", but they're going to claim that regardless and maybe it'll force those states to adopt some legal punishments for faithless electors; or, if I dare dream, and overhaul/abolishment of the College entirely.
Yeah Clinton could win all the votes with like video of everyone in the country specifically choosing her and then saying their full secret name and people would still go "Man she stole the election."
It's why trump is out there shitting about it being rigged, his internal polls must be fucking abysmal.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
My concern about the GA defector is that he talks about putting in a write-in candidate, and not Hillary. This means that now people can view a vote for Donald Trump as a vote for Generic Republican, hoping the electoral college will split the vote, have no majority, and Congress steps in to install a yet-to-be-named R.
Not quite "yet-to-be-named.". In case of no electoral majority, the House must select one of the top three candidates receiving electoral votes. So the House chooses between Clinton, Trump, and whoever Vu writes in.
Well, assuming Vu's vote swings the thing. Otherwise they'll need a critical mass of electors, and you could get all sorts of handfuls of write-ins with that.
President Ron Paul, is what I'm saying.
Because that's how this gets even more fucked up.
As long as Clinton secures a majority of the popular and EC votes legitimately and faithfully, I couldn't care less how many electors decide to write in "not-Trump". It won't stop certain folk from claming that she "stole the election", but they're going to claim that regardless and maybe it'll force those states to adopt some legal punishments for faithless electors; or, if I dare dream, and overhaul/abolishment of the College entirely.
Yeah Clinton could win all the votes with like video of everyone in the country specifically choosing her and then saying their full secret name and people would still go "Man she stole the election."
It's why trump is out there shitting about it being rigged, his internal polls must be fucking abysmal.
I think the narcicissm plus the RICO thing have pushed him into raw nihilism at this point.
Wait, so there are 21 out of 50 states, where the electoral college can ignore the public vote? Just how fucked up is your election system? Why do people in these 21 states even go to the voting booth if the Electors can just go "nah" and ignore them?
Who said anything about democracy. We are a representational republic.
If Trump drops out and it's suddenly Clinton vs Pence it'd be really weird, because suddenly Hillary would have the charisma advantage. And I say this with love and respect for her. I think she'd be weirded out herself. She's a super-competent policy wonk with a good heart, but not exactly a magnetic personality.
the EC stuff kind of scares me. People were already going to say it was rigged, then you have Trump saying it in advance, and now people who in fact are part of the system are basically saying yup, we'll fuck you if we have to.
I know it's the system, I hate how it looks to the opposite side.
Faithless electors are a core part of the design, as a last check against exactly this scenario. If this helps push electoral college reform, that would be a bonus on top of a Hillary win.
If Trump drops out and it's suddenly Clinton vs Pence it'd be really weird, because suddenly Hillary would have the charisma advantage. And I say this with love and respect for her. I think she'd be weirded out herself. She's a super-competent policy wonk with a good heart, but not exactly a magnetic personality.
Enter Tim "Pops" Kaine dual wielding jazz harmonicas.
If Trump drops out and it's suddenly Clinton vs Pence it'd be really weird, because suddenly Hillary would have the charisma advantage. And I say this with love and respect for her. I think she'd be weirded out herself. She's a super-competent policy wonk with a good heart, but not exactly a magnetic personality.
Depends on the size of the room, by pretty much all accounts. If she's with a small group, she is magnetic. It's just the big set pieces she's less good at.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Too many people don't understand why the founding fathers put the EC in place. I blame public schools.
The EC exists for the express purpose of stopping the uneducated masses from putting a tyrant or madman in power. That is literally it's purpose. Like many other protections the founding fathers put in place against the uneducated masses fucking up the republic, the EC has been forgotten/weakened over the years.
And everyone hates the electoral college.
And yet. The Founders thought that maybe one day it would be important. It's true that an electoral college upset could only happen one time, but this doesn't seem like it's a bad time.
Best case fantasy scenario: There are a few faithless electors but not enough to make a difference and Hillary wins anyway. Anger at the electoral system leads to President decided by popular vote and from that point forward.
Envision an America where a handful of swing states didn't decide the most important thing. That would be well worth the fallout.
I feel like Trump would only drop out if he had compelling evidence he was going to suffer a humiliating and undeniable defeat. I'm not sure if his ego could not take being trounced that publicly by someone, especially if that someone were Hillary Clinton.
On the other hand, I'm not sure his ego could take dropping out, either. I would say that he's not going to drop out because people simply don't drop out at this stage, but this year has demonstrated if nothing else that the conventional rules and patterns do not currently apply.
I feel like Trump would only drop out if he had compelling evidence he was going to suffer a humiliating and undeniable defeat. I'm not sure if his ego could not take being trounced that publicly by someone, especially if that someone were Hillary Clinton.
On the other hand, I'm not sure his ego could take dropping out, either. I would say that he's not going to drop out because people simply don't drop out at this stage, but this year has demonstrated if nothing else that the conventional rules and patterns do not currently apply.
I imagine that on a desk in Clinton's campaign HQ is a binder labeled "Post-convention attack strategy". This binder has about two weeks with of dust on it right now.
Or maybe Trump knows what is in it and his current behavior is to keep it hidden.
My concern about the GA defector is that he talks about putting in a write-in candidate, and not Hillary. This means that now people can view a vote for Donald Trump as a vote for Generic Republican, hoping the electoral college will split the vote, have no majority, and Congress steps in to install a yet-to-be-named R.
Not quite "yet-to-be-named.". In case of no electoral majority, the House must select one of the top three candidates receiving electoral votes. So the House chooses between Clinton, Trump, and whoever Vu writes in.
Well, assuming Vu's vote swings the thing. Otherwise they'll need a critical mass of electors, and you could get all sorts of handfuls of write-ins with that.
President Ron Paul, is what I'm saying.
Because that's how this gets even more fucked up.
As long as Clinton secures a majority of the popular and EC votes legitimately and faithfully, I couldn't care less how many electors decide to write in "not-Trump". It won't stop certain folk from claming that she "stole the election", but they're going to claim that regardless and maybe it'll force those states to adopt some legal punishments for faithless electors; or, if I dare dream, and overhaul/abolishment of the College entirely.
Yeah Clinton could win all the votes with like video of everyone in the country specifically choosing her and then saying their full secret name and people would still go "Man she stole the election."
It's why trump is out there shitting about it being rigged, his internal polls must be fucking abysmal.
This is also why I don't want Trump off the ballot. This election has already emboldened the worst among our number, allowing and normalizing the behavior and speech of racists, sexists, and bigots, and it is the duty of the rest of this country to reject this kind of hate as loudly, publicly, and definitively as possible. It's too late to go back to the way things were: the GOP nurtured them for decades, Trump gave them a voice, and they've been convinced that they are morally righteous, so any loss will be perceived as a failure of the system. There will be violence. There will be domestic terrorism. I hope that it will go no further than a string of Malheurs, but I don't have it in me to try to predict the damage that can be caused by those who feel they have nothing left to lose.
This election is truly about the soul of America. Are we a grand democracy, a melting pot of cultures and ideas that can disagree while still respecting one another and believing in our shared experiment, or are we an insecure mob, afraid of our own shadows, lashing out at any perceived threat to our way of life, who would rather make those we disagree with disappear than be forced to have a single awkward conversation about our beliefs?
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I just realized you could put "Mr Trump" in that song and it would work perfectly.
They're not even pretending to be running together
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This election season. I just... what? I can no longer discern reality from satire. Everything in this thread is stuck in a quantum superposition of being both completely believeable and unbelievable simultaneously, even when observed and measured.
I am literally light headed right now.
Well, assuming Vu's vote swings the thing. Otherwise they'll need a critical mass of electors, and you could get all sorts of handfuls of write-ins with that.
President Ron Paul, is what I'm saying.
Because that's how this gets even more fucked up.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Nobody ever notices the avalanche before it starts.
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It's okay, Pence got permission to speak.
PARTY UNITY!!!
The EC exists for the express purpose of stopping the uneducated masses from putting a tyrant or madman in power. That is literally it's purpose. Like many other protections the founding fathers put in place against the uneducated masses fucking up the republic, the EC has been forgotten/weakened over the years.
My immediate though to this comment was he's going to stiff them all for substandard work. No doubt about it.
So it has only happened like twice with no effect, and I think one of those times it was forcibly changed to match the popular vote. Yes it's dumb
As long as Clinton secures a majority of the popular and EC votes legitimately and faithfully, I couldn't care less how many electors decide to write in "not-Trump". It won't stop certain folk from claming that she "stole the election", but they're going to claim that regardless and maybe it'll force those states to adopt some legal punishments for faithless electors; or, if I dare dream, and overhaul/abolishment of the College entirely.
Such a nice guy that Ben Carson as long as you don't follow LUCIFER
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Yeah Clinton could win all the votes with like video of everyone in the country specifically choosing her and then saying their full secret name and people would still go "Man she stole the election."
It's why trump is out there shitting about it being rigged, his internal polls must be fucking abysmal.
pleasepaypreacher.net
You'd think Trump shot them in the face or something.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
I think the narcicissm plus the RICO thing have pushed him into raw nihilism at this point.
If he can't rule it, he'd rather see it burn.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Like this goes beyond simply not knowing shit, this goes into "Maybe he should be in a hospital undergoing treatment?"
pleasepaypreacher.net
Who said anything about democracy. We are a representational republic.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Holy fucking shit.
Donald Trump just got me to change my stance on unilateral nuclear disarmament
Faithless electors are a core part of the design, as a last check against exactly this scenario. If this helps push electoral college reform, that would be a bonus on top of a Hillary win.
Enter Tim "Pops" Kaine dual wielding jazz harmonicas.
Depends on the size of the room, by pretty much all accounts. If she's with a small group, she is magnetic. It's just the big set pieces she's less good at.
And everyone hates the electoral college.
And yet. The Founders thought that maybe one day it would be important. It's true that an electoral college upset could only happen one time, but this doesn't seem like it's a bad time.
Best case fantasy scenario: There are a few faithless electors but not enough to make a difference and Hillary wins anyway. Anger at the electoral system leads to President decided by popular vote and from that point forward.
Envision an America where a handful of swing states didn't decide the most important thing. That would be well worth the fallout.
On the other hand, I'm not sure his ego could take dropping out, either. I would say that he's not going to drop out because people simply don't drop out at this stage, but this year has demonstrated if nothing else that the conventional rules and patterns do not currently apply.
That we're even hearing about this and they are having to deny it is amazing.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
nah, that is absolutely not knowing shit.
and also not caring that he doesn't know shit.
So you're saying this thread...
...is done with conventions?
did he seriously just pull a
*points behind you*
"Hey, what's that?"
*runs away when you turn to look*
Or maybe Trump knows what is in it and his current behavior is to keep it hidden.
This is also why I don't want Trump off the ballot. This election has already emboldened the worst among our number, allowing and normalizing the behavior and speech of racists, sexists, and bigots, and it is the duty of the rest of this country to reject this kind of hate as loudly, publicly, and definitively as possible. It's too late to go back to the way things were: the GOP nurtured them for decades, Trump gave them a voice, and they've been convinced that they are morally righteous, so any loss will be perceived as a failure of the system. There will be violence. There will be domestic terrorism. I hope that it will go no further than a string of Malheurs, but I don't have it in me to try to predict the damage that can be caused by those who feel they have nothing left to lose.
This election is truly about the soul of America. Are we a grand democracy, a melting pot of cultures and ideas that can disagree while still respecting one another and believing in our shared experiment, or are we an insecure mob, afraid of our own shadows, lashing out at any perceived threat to our way of life, who would rather make those we disagree with disappear than be forced to have a single awkward conversation about our beliefs?
I mean come on he already released a solid physician's note testifying to his fitness for office
There's nothing about this unimpeachable assessment that is open to skepticism
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Then I remember he's a fraudulent narcissist who has systematically enabled white supremacists and done irreparable damage to our foreign relations simply to prove his own greatness to himself.
Fuck that guy.
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