I'd like China a lot more if their human rights were in better shape. But China might be the ones who develop the technology we need to progress as a global society. In a vacuum, I'd rather buy American technology than Chinese, but if China is building solar/wind/desalination and America is all about coal/oil/groundwater, then I think that the choice will be pretty straightforward.
They are least look like they're honestly caring about humanity's future on this planet and our continued existence.
I think they aren't spitefully rejecting solar like our conservatives are. The market is very lucrative these days and only an oil industry shill would refuse to see that.
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I'd like China a lot more if their human rights were in better shape. But China might be the ones who develop the technology we need to progress as a global society. In a vacuum, I'd rather buy American technology than Chinese, but if China is building solar/wind/desalination and America is all about coal/oil/groundwater, then I think that the choice will be pretty straightforward.
They are least look like they're honestly caring about humanity's future on this planet and our continued existence.
I think they aren't spitefully rejecting solar like our conservatives are. The market is very lucrative these days and only an oil industry shill would refuse to see that.
I feel like it's less that the oil industry doesn't see that, it's that they have a very good thing going and they want to eliminate anything that could disrupt that. Imagine if the ice industry was the biggest industry in America, and someone came along pushing refrigerators. Sure, the Ice Barons could buy into the new technology, but they could also try to strangle the fridge industry in the cradle and keep mining that sweet blue-white gold. Why take a chance that will force them to change their entire business model? That's just bad business.
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I'd like China a lot more if their human rights were in better shape. But China might be the ones who develop the technology we need to progress as a global society. In a vacuum, I'd rather buy American technology than Chinese, but if China is building solar/wind/desalination and America is all about coal/oil/groundwater, then I think that the choice will be pretty straightforward.
They are least look like they're honestly caring about humanity's future on this planet and our continued existence.
I think they aren't spitefully rejecting solar like our conservatives are. The market is very lucrative these days and only an oil industry shill would refuse to see that.
I feel like it's less that the oil industry doesn't see that, it's that they have a very good thing going and they want to eliminate anything that could disrupt that. Imagine if the ice industry was the biggest industry in America, and someone came along pushing refrigerators. Sure, the Ice Barons could buy into the new technology, but they could also try to strangle the fridge industry in the cradle and keep mining that sweet blue-white gold. Why take a chance that will force them to change their entire business model? That's just bad business.
Especially if that ice is still easily available and provides big margins. If that ice would say, melt due to global warming, we'd hear a different tune right quick.
I'd like China a lot more if their human rights were in better shape. But China might be the ones who develop the technology we need to progress as a global society. In a vacuum, I'd rather buy American technology than Chinese, but if China is building solar/wind/desalination and America is all about coal/oil/groundwater, then I think that the choice will be pretty straightforward.
They are least look like they're honestly caring about humanity's future on this planet and our continued existence.
Eeehhh, I don't know about honest. The party's legitimacy rests on continued economic growth. A lot of climate change policies they'll be enacting and have enacted are purely because rising sea levels will drown out a lot of the major Han Chinese population centers (just, ya know, a billion people), and air pollution is killing too many people so they have to deal with it now.
The party's crackdown on dissidence and personal freedoms while maintaining a propaganda and censorship machine, both for Han Chinese as well as minorities, doesn't make me think they care about humanity's existence. They care about Han Chinese existence, and other groups insofar as it nets them economic growth.
I'd like China a lot more if their human rights were in better shape. But China might be the ones who develop the technology we need to progress as a global society. In a vacuum, I'd rather buy American technology than Chinese, but if China is building solar/wind/desalination and America is all about coal/oil/groundwater, then I think that the choice will be pretty straightforward.
They are least look like they're honestly caring about humanity's future on this planet and our continued existence.
Eeehhh, I don't know about honest. The party's legitimacy rests on continued economic growth. A lot of climate change policies they'll be enacting and have enacted are purely because rising sea levels will drown out a lot of the major Han Chinese population centers (just, ya know, a billion people), and air pollution is killing too many people so they have to deal with it now.
The party's crackdown on dissidence and personal freedoms while maintaining a propaganda and censorship machine, both for Han Chinese as well as minorities, doesn't make me think they care about humanity's existence. They care about Han Chinese existence, and other groups insofar as it nets them economic growth.
Humanity can fight oppression, and China, while still pretty damn awful on the freedom front, is actually at least kinda moving a little bit.. They're still horrible, but...
Policy can change, and who knows what happens in 100 years.
But it's a whole different beast if we destroy our habitat. First if all you'll get massive instability from a whole fuck load of refugees, and then of course major wars since instability always leads to those. And if we don't stop, even worse, we might end our whole habitat.
You can fight oppression, you can't fight a destroyed habitat. I'd rather have a livable earth and oppressive regimes than temporary freedom controlled by demagoguery and the end of all, honestly.
I'd like China a lot more if their human rights were in better shape. But China might be the ones who develop the technology we need to progress as a global society. In a vacuum, I'd rather buy American technology than Chinese, but if China is building solar/wind/desalination and America is all about coal/oil/groundwater, then I think that the choice will be pretty straightforward.
They are least look like they're honestly caring about humanity's future on this planet and our continued existence.
Eeehhh, I don't know about honest. The party's legitimacy rests on continued economic growth. A lot of climate change policies they'll be enacting and have enacted are purely because rising sea levels will drown out a lot of the major Han Chinese population centers (just, ya know, a billion people), and air pollution is killing too many people so they have to deal with it now.
The party's crackdown on dissidence and personal freedoms while maintaining a propaganda and censorship machine, both for Han Chinese as well as minorities, doesn't make me think they care about humanity's existence. They care about Han Chinese existence, and other groups insofar as it nets them economic growth.
But on the plus side, in the case of global warming, the interests of the Han, the Chinese communist party and the rest of us match up.
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I'd like China a lot more if their human rights were in better shape. But China might be the ones who develop the technology we need to progress as a global society. In a vacuum, I'd rather buy American technology than Chinese, but if China is building solar/wind/desalination and America is all about coal/oil/groundwater, then I think that the choice will be pretty straightforward.
They are least look like they're honestly caring about humanity's future on this planet and our continued existence.
Eeehhh, I don't know about honest. The party's legitimacy rests on continued economic growth. A lot of climate change policies they'll be enacting and have enacted are purely because rising sea levels will drown out a lot of the major Han Chinese population centers (just, ya know, a billion people), and air pollution is killing too many people so they have to deal with it now.
The party's crackdown on dissidence and personal freedoms while maintaining a propaganda and censorship machine, both for Han Chinese as well as minorities, doesn't make me think they care about humanity's existence. They care about Han Chinese existence, and other groups insofar as it nets them economic growth.
But on the plus side, in the case of global warming, the interests of the Han, the Chinese communist party and the rest of us match up.
It angers me that Trump's election and reckless horseshit is allowing China to credibly take the moral high ground wrt "prejudice and superstition"
Re census, in a five thirty eight episode they talked about how the bureau's American household survey they do all the time could easily be on the chopping block. Although it would have extremely deleterious effects on the economy.
Re, renewable energy: I don't think there's even a dollar sign at the end of that ideology. Once upon a time maybe, I think a mixture of contrarianism and evangelical Hocus pocus are the larger culprits. Reflexive Contrarianism is the back bone of the the GOP on most fronts right now, it makes them very easy to predict
I'd like China a lot more if their human rights were in better shape. But China might be the ones who develop the technology we need to progress as a global society. In a vacuum, I'd rather buy American technology than Chinese, but if China is building solar/wind/desalination and America is all about coal/oil/groundwater, then I think that the choice will be pretty straightforward.
They are least look like they're honestly caring about humanity's future on this planet and our continued existence.
Eeehhh, I don't know about honest. The party's legitimacy rests on continued economic growth. A lot of climate change policies they'll be enacting and have enacted are purely because rising sea levels will drown out a lot of the major Han Chinese population centers (just, ya know, a billion people), and air pollution is killing too many people so they have to deal with it now.
The party's crackdown on dissidence and personal freedoms while maintaining a propaganda and censorship machine, both for Han Chinese as well as minorities, doesn't make me think they care about humanity's existence. They care about Han Chinese existence, and other groups insofar as it nets them economic growth.
But on the plus side, in the case of global warming, the interests of the Han, the Chinese communist party and the rest of us match up.
Of course. My point wasn't that they don't care about solving the problems, it was that they care about solving them because it's their only real source of legitimacy.
I'd like China a lot more if their human rights were in better shape. But China might be the ones who develop the technology we need to progress as a global society. In a vacuum, I'd rather buy American technology than Chinese, but if China is building solar/wind/desalination and America is all about coal/oil/groundwater, then I think that the choice will be pretty straightforward.
They are least look like they're honestly caring about humanity's future on this planet and our continued existence.
Eeehhh, I don't know about honest. The party's legitimacy rests on continued economic growth. A lot of climate change policies they'll be enacting and have enacted are purely because rising sea levels will drown out a lot of the major Han Chinese population centers (just, ya know, a billion people), and air pollution is killing too many people so they have to deal with it now.
The party's crackdown on dissidence and personal freedoms while maintaining a propaganda and censorship machine, both for Han Chinese as well as minorities, doesn't make me think they care about humanity's existence. They care about Han Chinese existence, and other groups insofar as it nets them economic growth.
But on the plus side, in the case of global warming, the interests of the Han, the Chinese communist party and the rest of us match up.
Of course. My point wasn't that they don't care about solving the problems, it was that they care about solving them because it's their only real source of legitimacy.
And yet this is a higher priority for them than America.
The GOP is looking to dick around with the Endangered Species Act. Presumably because they're actually all villains from Captain Planet.
Look, if they can save just one barrel of oil from the oppression of nature preservation, by God, it'll be worth it.
Playing Devils advocate here I can kinda get some of the complaints with wolves. I don't really know their status but if I were a livestock farmer losing animals to wolf packs and being unable to do anything about it would be frustrating and I think that's something that needs to be looked at and a solution worked towards but the rest of it is pretty blatantly "Bleeding heart liberals won't let us lay a pipeline because of 'the delicate balance of nature' so fuck you we're going to use this one small complaint as a basis to undo 30+ years of conservation "
Especially if that ice is still easily available and provides big margins. If that ice would say, melt due to global warming, we'd hear a different tune right quick.
Depends how quickly.
More than a few of these knuckleheads would sell their own kids down the river for immediate profits.
So if climate change isn't going to negatively impact them in their lifetime, they won't give a damn about consequences... because to them there are none.
Especially if that ice is still easily available and provides big margins. If that ice would say, melt due to global warming, we'd hear a different tune right quick.
Depends how quickly.
More than a few of these knuckleheads would sell their own kids down the river for immediate profits.
So if climate change isn't going to negatively impact them in their lifetime, they won't give a damn about consequences... because to them there are none.
The GOP is looking to dick around with the Endangered Species Act. Presumably because they're actually all villains from Captain Planet.
Look, if they can save just one barrel of oil from the oppression of nature preservation, by God, it'll be worth it.
Playing Devils advocate here I can kinda get some of the complaints with wolves. I don't really know their status but if I were a livestock farmer losing animals to wolf packs and being unable to do anything about it would be frustrating and I think that's something that needs to be looked at and a solution worked towards but the rest of it is pretty blatantly "Bleeding heart liberals won't let us lay a pipeline because of 'the delicate balance of nature' so fuck you we're going to use this one small complaint as a basis to undo 30+ years of conservation "
We are always quite happy to insist third world farmers live in harmony with things like lions and hippos.
The GOP is looking to dick around with the Endangered Species Act. Presumably because they're actually all villains from Captain Planet.
Look, if they can save just one barrel of oil from the oppression of nature preservation, by God, it'll be worth it.
Playing Devils advocate here I can kinda get some of the complaints with wolves. I don't really know their status but if I were a livestock farmer losing animals to wolf packs and being unable to do anything about it would be frustrating and I think that's something that needs to be looked at and a solution worked towards but the rest of it is pretty blatantly "Bleeding heart liberals won't let us lay a pipeline because of 'the delicate balance of nature' so fuck you we're going to use this one small complaint as a basis to undo 30+ years of conservation "
counterpoint, fuck those farmers and ranchers when they've got people like Cliven Bundy running around refusing to contribute to the system that enables their livelihoods.
Simple folk often imagine that only the poor and hideous would hire prostitutes, because they can't get a woman any other way. This has an obvious flaw, in that the poor don't have any money to blow on hookers.
I've heard it said that men don't hire a hooker to sleep with them, they hire her to go away afterwards
Can we turn this back on him?
Putin: Our Prostitutes Are So Ugly, Even Donald Trump Wouldn't Want Them.
Actually, if he legitimately did hire them to piss on the bed that Obama was in... wouldn't it be even more appropriate in his tiny orange brain to have them be really ugly prostitutes?
No matter what way you look at it, it simply doesn't matter that Donald "gets the beautiful women" in this situation. It's entirely in character for him to do this.
How is this possible? He is making the news media more sympathetic.
You scream "both sides are the same, vote republican" long enough and you start to believe it. That poll shows "Well he's an asshole, but on the other hand GRRR LIBRUL MEDIA"
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I think they aren't spitefully rejecting solar like our conservatives are. The market is very lucrative these days and only an oil industry shill would refuse to see that.
I feel like it's less that the oil industry doesn't see that, it's that they have a very good thing going and they want to eliminate anything that could disrupt that. Imagine if the ice industry was the biggest industry in America, and someone came along pushing refrigerators. Sure, the Ice Barons could buy into the new technology, but they could also try to strangle the fridge industry in the cradle and keep mining that sweet blue-white gold. Why take a chance that will force them to change their entire business model? That's just bad business.
Especially if that ice is still easily available and provides big margins. If that ice would say, melt due to global warming, we'd hear a different tune right quick.
Eeehhh, I don't know about honest. The party's legitimacy rests on continued economic growth. A lot of climate change policies they'll be enacting and have enacted are purely because rising sea levels will drown out a lot of the major Han Chinese population centers (just, ya know, a billion people), and air pollution is killing too many people so they have to deal with it now.
The party's crackdown on dissidence and personal freedoms while maintaining a propaganda and censorship machine, both for Han Chinese as well as minorities, doesn't make me think they care about humanity's existence. They care about Han Chinese existence, and other groups insofar as it nets them economic growth.
Policy can change, and who knows what happens in 100 years.
But it's a whole different beast if we destroy our habitat. First if all you'll get massive instability from a whole fuck load of refugees, and then of course major wars since instability always leads to those. And if we don't stop, even worse, we might end our whole habitat.
You can fight oppression, you can't fight a destroyed habitat. I'd rather have a livable earth and oppressive regimes than temporary freedom controlled by demagoguery and the end of all, honestly.
But on the plus side, in the case of global warming, the interests of the Han, the Chinese communist party and the rest of us match up.
It angers me that Trump's election and reckless horseshit is allowing China to credibly take the moral high ground wrt "prejudice and superstition"
Fucking good job
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Re, renewable energy: I don't think there's even a dollar sign at the end of that ideology. Once upon a time maybe, I think a mixture of contrarianism and evangelical Hocus pocus are the larger culprits. Reflexive Contrarianism is the back bone of the the GOP on most fronts right now, it makes them very easy to predict
Of course. My point wasn't that they don't care about solving the problems, it was that they care about solving them because it's their only real source of legitimacy.
And yet this is a higher priority for them than America.
The GOP is looking to dick around with the Endangered Species Act. Presumably because they're actually all villains from Captain Planet.
Look, if they can save just one barrel of oil from the oppression of nature preservation, by God, it'll be worth it.
Playing Devils advocate here I can kinda get some of the complaints with wolves. I don't really know their status but if I were a livestock farmer losing animals to wolf packs and being unable to do anything about it would be frustrating and I think that's something that needs to be looked at and a solution worked towards but the rest of it is pretty blatantly "Bleeding heart liberals won't let us lay a pipeline because of 'the delicate balance of nature' so fuck you we're going to use this one small complaint as a basis to undo 30+ years of conservation "
Depends how quickly.
More than a few of these knuckleheads would sell their own kids down the river for immediate profits.
So if climate change isn't going to negatively impact them in their lifetime, they won't give a damn about consequences... because to them there are none.
Of course they are rigged. What else could it be, huh?
We are always quite happy to insist third world farmers live in harmony with things like lions and hippos.
The national polls were more accurate this election than in 2012.
I hope all the excitement kills him.
I get the feeling he's more like Palpatine. He feeds off all the negativity.
How is this possible? He is making the news media more sympathetic.
We have someone who makes Palpatine look like a sane alternative.
counterpoint, fuck those farmers and ranchers when they've got people like Cliven Bundy running around refusing to contribute to the system that enables their livelihoods.
I hope Mike Pence throws him down a conveniently placed power reactor.
I feel like Putin is trolling so hard here
Nah, he's just continuing Trump's own defense about sexual assault.
It's just ignoring the fact that these kinds of things have nothing at all to do with the quality of women you are "normally" with.
I've heard it said that men don't hire a hooker to sleep with them, they hire her to go away afterwards
Putin: Our Prostitutes Are So Ugly, Even Donald Trump Wouldn't Want Them.
Actually, if he legitimately did hire them to piss on the bed that Obama was in... wouldn't it be even more appropriate in his tiny orange brain to have them be really ugly prostitutes?
No matter what way you look at it, it simply doesn't matter that Donald "gets the beautiful women" in this situation. It's entirely in character for him to do this.
Everyone loves an underdog.
You scream "both sides are the same, vote republican" long enough and you start to believe it. That poll shows "Well he's an asshole, but on the other hand GRRR LIBRUL MEDIA"