The bit about Marty creating Johnny B. Goode I always thought was a silly joke that they never really thought through. Which obviously has it's own problems but for an 80's movie at least it's relatively benign.
My mind was blown today. I found out that Robert Picardo was The Swamp Witch in Legend. I have watched Star Trek Voyager and Legend a ton of times and never realized.
I'm just wondering if George is super suspicious of Lorraine cheating on him. I mean one of their kids is the spitting image of that guy who use to live at Lorraine's house.
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AstaerethIn the belly of the beastRegistered Userregular
I don't think the series does well by Jennifer...
But really, the problematic gender stuff has less to do with the treatment of the women and more about it's (admittedly very normal 80s) view of masculinity.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
Sometimes i think you folks spend way to much time and think way to hard about stuff.
BttF was awesome, and will remain awesome and not everything is a political commentary or plot point. Stand By Me was wonderful and a vitally important movie in my childhood. As was Breakfast Club.
So was Revenge of the Nerds.
Not every movie should be read and studied under some political correct microscope. What did i learn from Revenge of the Nerds? That its totally ok and acceptable to not be a jock. And that cool people come in every shape, form and size.
That....thats it. Neither myself, nor any other person i've ever met in any appreciable manner took away from that movie that it was ok to rape.
Stand by me showed me the value of best friends and adventure.
Back to the Future was gateway sci-fi and -along with star wars and star trek- ignited a life long fascination with science.
Breakfast Club showed me that every clique in high school was still composed of actual people with interesting stories and reasons and that there was no reason to not be friends with everyone.
In all my years on this earth i never ONCE took away from BttF the idea that Marty invented Rock and Roll. Seriously not once.
I kind of wonder what even leads someone to look at classics like those movies and search for the negatives so much.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
There is some stuff that just doesn't translate well and isn't good (the sex stuff in Nerds in particular), but there is a lot of micromanaging those films and ascribing deliberate malice when it's just general ambivalence.
AstaerethIn the belly of the beastRegistered Userregular
Culture shapes social attitudes, whether you want it to or not. Movies can have both positive and negative lessons, and they can be both explicit and implicit. Films can be excellent and also problematic. Everything is political.
I can't help but think there is a darker movie underlying BttF where the Marty we see go back at the end fucks up and winds up in Prime Marty's reality with the deadbeat parents and asshole Biff.
As someone who's main exposure to Revenge of the Nerds is through American Dad I am flummoxed as to why this one movie is the heated topic of debate.
Does anyone actually remember this movie as anything other than an easy target?
Revenge of the Nerds does a good idea of tying nerd tolerance to general tolerance, with the nerds becoming a chapter of the black fraternity who then later comes to their aid in a show of solidarity, and i like to give them points for Lamar, even if he was flaming and stereotypical as fuck.
One of the funny things dating the movie, aside from the massive movement on sexual mores, is to compare Revenge of the Nerds with Animal House, or how a guy like Booger would be anti-nerd in most other works. Booger would be an antagonistic figure if someone like him were introduced on Big Bang Theory, the lodestar for stereotypical nerddom in the modern day. Or how being gay doesn't automatically make you a nerd nowadays.
There is some stuff that just doesn't translate well and isn't good (the sex stuff in Nerds in particular), but there is a lot of micromanaging those films and ascribing deliberate malice when it's just general ambivalence.
Primary prognosis: super jelly.
Maybe its been a long time since ive watched Revenge of the Nerds (goodness, 20+ years i suppose) but i have fond memories of that movie.
But really, the problematic gender stuff has less to do with the treatment of the women and more about it's (admittedly very normal 80s) view of masculinity.
It does teach that you shouldn't blow your top just because someone challenges your bravery
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BlackDragon480Bluster KerfuffleMaster of Windy ImportRegistered Userregular
Sometimes i think you folks spend way to much time and think way to hard about stuff.
BttF was awesome, and will remain awesome and not everything is a political commentary or plot point. Stand By Me was wonderful and a vitally important movie in my childhood. As was Breakfast Club.
So was Revenge of the Nerds.
Not every movie should be read and studied under some political correct microscope. What did i learn from Revenge of the Nerds? That its totally ok and acceptable to not be a jock. And that cool people come in every shape, form and size.
That....thats it. Neither myself, nor any other person i've ever met in any appreciable manner took away from that movie that it was ok to rape.
Stand by me showed me the value of best friends and adventure.
Back to the Future was gateway sci-fi and -along with star wars and star trek- ignited a life long fascination with science.
Breakfast Club showed me that every clique in high school was still composed of actual people with interesting stories and reasons and that there was no reason to not be friends with everyone.
In all my years on this earth i never ONCE took away from BttF the idea that Marty invented Rock and Roll. Seriously not once.
I kind of wonder what even leads someone to look at classics like those movies and search for the negatives so much.
I watched The Void tonight, and while it wasn't great it was a totally enjoyable Cronenberg/Lovecraft mash-up. Definitely a solid addition to a genre that doesn't really see that many entries.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
I watched The Void tonight, and while it wasn't great it was a totally enjoyable Cronenberg/Lovecraft mash-up. Definitely a solid addition to a genre that doesn't really see that many entries.
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There's a popular narrative that analyzing or criticizing something is done out of spite and malice.
Now, I can't really say that never happens because, well, it certainly does, but it's an uncharitable interpretation to assume that all criticism comes from a place of negativity.
EDIT: I can only speak anecdotally, but for most of the people I know, the big reason they analyze or critique is to understand. Seeing how all the moving parts work, in and out of context, gives them an appreciation of the work as a whole.
I watched The Void tonight, and while it wasn't great it was a totally enjoyable Cronenberg/Lovecraft mash-up. Definitely a solid addition to a genre that doesn't really see that many entries.
Practical gore effects thumbs up?
Hm. I think I was more impressed by the creature effects than the gore effects, but thumbs up to both.
There's a popular narrative that analyzing or criticizing something is done out of spite and malice.
Now, I can't really say that never happens because, well, it certainly does, but it's an uncharitable interpretation to assume that all criticism comes from a place of negativity.
EDIT: I can only speak anecdotally, but for most of the people I know, the big reason they analyze or critique is to understand. Seeing how all the moving parts work, in and out of context, gives them an appreciation of the work as a whole.
You can love things and still want them to be better.
Sometimes i think you folks spend way to much time and think way to hard about stuff.
BttF was awesome, and will remain awesome and not everything is a political commentary or plot point. Stand By Me was wonderful and a vitally important movie in my childhood. As was Breakfast Club.
So was Revenge of the Nerds.
Not every movie should be read and studied under some political correct microscope. What did i learn from Revenge of the Nerds? That its totally ok and acceptable to not be a jock. And that cool people come in every shape, form and size.
That....thats it. Neither myself, nor any other person i've ever met in any appreciable manner took away from that movie that it was ok to rape.
Stand by me showed me the value of best friends and adventure.
Back to the Future was gateway sci-fi and -along with star wars and star trek- ignited a life long fascination with science.
Breakfast Club showed me that every clique in high school was still composed of actual people with interesting stories and reasons and that there was no reason to not be friends with everyone.
In all my years on this earth i never ONCE took away from BttF the idea that Marty invented Rock and Roll. Seriously not once.
I kind of wonder what even leads someone to look at classics like those movies and search for the negatives so much.
Anything and everything is eligible for analysis.
Sure and its totally possible to over analyze things as well.
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Sometimes i think you folks spend way to much time and think way to hard about stuff.
BttF was awesome, and will remain awesome and not everything is a political commentary or plot point. Stand By Me was wonderful and a vitally important movie in my childhood. As was Breakfast Club.
So was Revenge of the Nerds.
Not every movie should be read and studied under some political correct microscope. What did i learn from Revenge of the Nerds? That its totally ok and acceptable to not be a jock. And that cool people come in every shape, form and size.
That....thats it. Neither myself, nor any other person i've ever met in any appreciable manner took away from that movie that it was ok to rape.
Stand by me showed me the value of best friends and adventure.
Back to the Future was gateway sci-fi and -along with star wars and star trek- ignited a life long fascination with science.
Breakfast Club showed me that every clique in high school was still composed of actual people with interesting stories and reasons and that there was no reason to not be friends with everyone.
In all my years on this earth i never ONCE took away from BttF the idea that Marty invented Rock and Roll. Seriously not once.
I kind of wonder what even leads someone to look at classics like those movies and search for the negatives so much.
Anything and everything is eligible for analysis.
Sure and its totally possible to over analyze things as well.
Pointing out incredibly straightforward things like "white man inventing black rock is a bit off" and "this movie is kind of rapey" is only overanalyzing if your criteria for regular analysis is stuff like "this movie has colors and dialogue".
So I've been re-reading Stephen King's IT and was thinkin' about the original 1990 film and the upcoming 2017 version earlier today and someone pointed out that it's been 27 years since the last film.
Which is exactly the number of years IT slumbers for between periods of activity in the book.
Just a little neat factoid that I thought was cool.
Shit, I was younger than most of the kids in the original film when it came out. But now it's time to go back... to Derry.
Sometimes i think you folks spend way to much time and think way to hard about stuff.
BttF was awesome, and will remain awesome and not everything is a political commentary or plot point. Stand By Me was wonderful and a vitally important movie in my childhood. As was Breakfast Club.
So was Revenge of the Nerds.
Not every movie should be read and studied under some political correct microscope. What did i learn from Revenge of the Nerds? That its totally ok and acceptable to not be a jock. And that cool people come in every shape, form and size.
That....thats it. Neither myself, nor any other person i've ever met in any appreciable manner took away from that movie that it was ok to rape.
Stand by me showed me the value of best friends and adventure.
Back to the Future was gateway sci-fi and -along with star wars and star trek- ignited a life long fascination with science.
Breakfast Club showed me that every clique in high school was still composed of actual people with interesting stories and reasons and that there was no reason to not be friends with everyone.
In all my years on this earth i never ONCE took away from BttF the idea that Marty invented Rock and Roll. Seriously not once.
I kind of wonder what even leads someone to look at classics like those movies and search for the negatives so much.
Anything and everything is eligible for analysis.
Sure and its totally possible to over analyze things as well.
Pointing out incredibly straightforward things like "white man inventing black rock is a bit off" and "this movie is kind of rapey" is only overanalyzing if your criteria for regular analysis is stuff like "this movie has colors and dialogue".
More specifically it's overanalysis because it's negative. Which is laid out pretty clearly at the top of this quote tree in the original post, since that was the part under contention.
If the movie earns it, I've got no problem with it getting its due criticism. But outside of the egregious examples, like Sixteen Candles, it usually doesn't change my opinion about a movie. It's hard to fault a movie for being of its time. I don't think it was Robert Zemeckis's intent to erase a black artist, it was just a throw away joke before cultural appropriation was such a widespread concept. It's useful to look back and point to things that are no longer acceptable. It's not condemnation of the older work, it's just learning and growth.
What's strange to me is the visceral reaction a lot of people get to movies they love being criticized. I have the exact opposite reaction, where I get irrational about people praising a movie I hate. I can listen to hours off BttF getting torn to shreds and it doesn't faze me, but I have to close the forums whenever Texiken brings up Blank Has Fallen, lest I lose my shit. I have an overpowering need to explain why they are asstastic that I think comes from the same place as those sensitive to criticism.
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But really, the problematic gender stuff has less to do with the treatment of the women and more about it's (admittedly very normal 80s) view of masculinity.
BttF was awesome, and will remain awesome and not everything is a political commentary or plot point. Stand By Me was wonderful and a vitally important movie in my childhood. As was Breakfast Club.
So was Revenge of the Nerds.
Not every movie should be read and studied under some political correct microscope. What did i learn from Revenge of the Nerds? That its totally ok and acceptable to not be a jock. And that cool people come in every shape, form and size.
That....thats it. Neither myself, nor any other person i've ever met in any appreciable manner took away from that movie that it was ok to rape.
Stand by me showed me the value of best friends and adventure.
Back to the Future was gateway sci-fi and -along with star wars and star trek- ignited a life long fascination with science.
Breakfast Club showed me that every clique in high school was still composed of actual people with interesting stories and reasons and that there was no reason to not be friends with everyone.
In all my years on this earth i never ONCE took away from BttF the idea that Marty invented Rock and Roll. Seriously not once.
I kind of wonder what even leads someone to look at classics like those movies and search for the negatives so much.
Primary prognosis: super jelly.
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Plus the spying and recording and distributing naked pictures of women who weren't aware.
He literally rapes a woman to make her fall in love with him and the movie laughs it off.
The movie has some good lessons but some seriously fucked up ones as well.
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Does anyone actually remember this movie as anything other than an easy target?
One of the funny things dating the movie, aside from the massive movement on sexual mores, is to compare Revenge of the Nerds with Animal House, or how a guy like Booger would be anti-nerd in most other works. Booger would be an antagonistic figure if someone like him were introduced on Big Bang Theory, the lodestar for stereotypical nerddom in the modern day. Or how being gay doesn't automatically make you a nerd nowadays.
I'm assuming the game was based on this? I've never seen it, but the game would have been great... If it wasn't so buggy.
Yeah, there are a lot of thematic differences though. The movie is also loosely based on the book "Road Side Picnic" which I recommend everyone read.
Maybe its been a long time since ive watched Revenge of the Nerds (goodness, 20+ years i suppose) but i have fond memories of that movie.
And all this after he saved the world from the nazis with the power of rock and roll.
It does teach that you shouldn't blow your top just because someone challenges your bravery
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Holy shit!! I never thought of that!
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Anything and everything is eligible for analysis.
It's Carlin, so, yeah, NSFW:
Practical gore effects thumbs up?
Nah.
Now, I can't really say that never happens because, well, it certainly does, but it's an uncharitable interpretation to assume that all criticism comes from a place of negativity.
EDIT: I can only speak anecdotally, but for most of the people I know, the big reason they analyze or critique is to understand. Seeing how all the moving parts work, in and out of context, gives them an appreciation of the work as a whole.
Hm. I think I was more impressed by the creature effects than the gore effects, but thumbs up to both.
You can love things and still want them to be better.
Sure and its totally possible to over analyze things as well.
Pointing out incredibly straightforward things like "white man inventing black rock is a bit off" and "this movie is kind of rapey" is only overanalyzing if your criteria for regular analysis is stuff like "this movie has colors and dialogue".
Just a little neat factoid that I thought was cool.
Shit, I was younger than most of the kids in the original film when it came out. But now it's time to go back... to Derry.
More specifically it's overanalysis because it's negative. Which is laid out pretty clearly at the top of this quote tree in the original post, since that was the part under contention.
What's strange to me is the visceral reaction a lot of people get to movies they love being criticized. I have the exact opposite reaction, where I get irrational about people praising a movie I hate. I can listen to hours off BttF getting torn to shreds and it doesn't faze me, but I have to close the forums whenever Texiken brings up Blank Has Fallen, lest I lose my shit. I have an overpowering need to explain why they are asstastic that I think comes from the same place as those sensitive to criticism.
Best review ever.
(I'm not being sarcastic.)
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