Mary Sue's/Marty Stus are generally what happens when;
A young person gets massively engaged with a setting, generally a fantastical one.
Despite this, they are too emotionally immature to deal with the complexity of adult interaction/the ongoing cocktease of the sub plots drives them insane, and their love of the setting is tinged with massive frustration that X character is not resolving Y issue and A character hasn't told B character how they really feel etc.
Therefore, they create a story within which their frustrations are resolved through the intervention of a character whose attitude, presence, nature etc forces the existing characters to listen. The virtuous and otherwise are given their just desserts and the writer's ongoing frustration has been channelled into a character who is the avatar of everything the writer would do and say were they part of that world.
Like man childish fantasies, however, they are often incredibly reactionary, irrational and at times even highly immoral. In order to get these silly characters to listen, the self insert literally bangs their heads together, and afterwards thank them for it! Except that of course, that's violent coercion and assault. But it's what the author wants to do do there it is. A supremely childlike response.
In that sense, most of what people call Mary-Sues and Marty Stus are actually just badly written. The real deal is the author avatar, given the power to enact all of their childish, immature judgements upon the beloved subject of their obsession. It's pretty forgivable really, they tend to be created by frustrated teenagers. I understand. They grow out of it.
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edit: Clevin is the best/worst thing to happen to webcomics
Goodbye to Halos
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wait how do you pronounce steven? like eleven? what??
screw you Clevin-rhymes-with Steven people
not screw you, clevin rhymes with Steven, people
Finally
Also that bar association logo shouldn't be there either...
How much more annoying would it be if his name were Cevin? Like Kevin but with a hipster-esque C instead of a K.
It's Anthony Carver all over again.
Is that pronounced with a hard T in the British fashion or with a soft TH like the American variant?
They call him Tony for short and GC is very British in general, definitely a hard T.
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That second point is pretty salient, but you realize people call soft-th Anthonys "Tony" all the time, right?
A young person gets massively engaged with a setting, generally a fantastical one.
Despite this, they are too emotionally immature to deal with the complexity of adult interaction/the ongoing cocktease of the sub plots drives them insane, and their love of the setting is tinged with massive frustration that X character is not resolving Y issue and A character hasn't told B character how they really feel etc.
Therefore, they create a story within which their frustrations are resolved through the intervention of a character whose attitude, presence, nature etc forces the existing characters to listen. The virtuous and otherwise are given their just desserts and the writer's ongoing frustration has been channelled into a character who is the avatar of everything the writer would do and say were they part of that world.
Like man childish fantasies, however, they are often incredibly reactionary, irrational and at times even highly immoral. In order to get these silly characters to listen, the self insert literally bangs their heads together, and afterwards thank them for it! Except that of course, that's violent coercion and assault. But it's what the author wants to do do there it is. A supremely childlike response.
In that sense, most of what people call Mary-Sues and Marty Stus are actually just badly written. The real deal is the author avatar, given the power to enact all of their childish, immature judgements upon the beloved subject of their obsession. It's pretty forgivable really, they tend to be created by frustrated teenagers. I understand. They grow out of it.
Somewhere off in the distance, Christopher Paolini sneezes.
I've literally never called another human Tony in my life, so who knows?
How do you talk about frosted flakes or who's the boss?
frosted flakes is not run by a human
He's sapient being and should be considered a person such for legal and social purrposes
1. Tony is a tiger and his name isn't Anthony.
2. Angela is the boss
(maybe? is the 'ba' in Garbaldo like the 'ba' in 'battle', or is it gar-bald-o?)
Looks like a cut and a style
Peritale
Marty didn't tho
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Marty. Marty never changes.
It's Qlevin, with a Q.
Except the Q is silent.