My own experience with tone-policing is less in an internet argument sense
And more in a real life, dealing with activism and politics sense
It is a very real and frustrating issue when dealing with intersectional activist groups, where for example you will have LGBT activist groups where very privileged gay white cis men tone policing trans women of color about the issues and trying to make sure that any kind of activist action is nice and quiet and government friendly and it's like
my dudes that's
that's not
that's not what this is about here they're pissed for very specific reasons
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i before e, except after c, and when sounding like 'ay' as in neighbor and weigh
let's ok over the list of counterexamples here
✔ foreign
❌ neighbor - literally in the goddamn mnemonic
✔ Keith
❌ receives - after c
❌ eight - sounds like ay
✔ counterfeit
❌ beige - sounds like ay
❌ sleighs - sounds like ay
✔ feisty
✔ caffeinated
❌ weightlifters - also the the mnemonic are you kidding me
✔ weird
I'd be interested in what proportion of words with ei aren't covered by the standard phrase
even in a mug designed specifically to mock it it's only half right
A weird foreigner neither seizes leisure nor forfeits height, being either a sovereign sheik or counterfeit geisha.
So on Saturday, after all the unpleasantness at urgent care, I took #2 out for ice cream. Father-son 1-on-1 time, which I'm trying to do more regularly with all the kids since I already see much less of them than porp does.
Anyways
Afterward we finish our ice cream I ask if there's anything else he would like to do together. He wants to go to a play space with a ball pit. OK. So I take him over to a Burger King. He plays there for a bit while I watch and cheer him on, then we need to walk to the Walgreens and pick up medicine for #1.
On the walk over, #2 sees a bunch of leaves in the parking lot that have collected along the curb. He bends down to pick up bunch up. "Daddy I'm gonna get you with these leaves" he says, mischievously. And I almost instinctively started saying something like "Not now we need to get going to the store" but then I stopped and realized, yknow, we don't need to be getting anywhere immediately.
So I picked up some leaves myself and we spent a couple minutes having a leaf fight in a burger king parking lot.
It's weird, though, how you adult for so long and it eventually starts to take over who you are
congratulations, your son is now a lazy, impulsive wastrel who will major in English at the cost of $50,000 per year in tuition
But for the record, German law doesn't just ban Nazi iconography, it also bans speech that advocates violence towards, or insults the dignity of, any racial group.
If there's an example of a non-racist or progressive group that's been trod under the boot of the state in the name of German anti-hate-speech or anti-Nazi laws, I'd love to hear about it.
idk any examples but I don't speak German so it's a challenge to find you one. That it hasn't happened is no reflection on the problem of whether it can happen. Power gets used, eventually.
Russell's teapot applies here.
Not sure I agree. I think it's different to argue that the inevitable result of giving power is that it will be used.
Russell's teapot doesn't apply because of slippery slope.
Got it.
Slippery slope arguments are not by default fallacies!
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Sir Landsharkresting shark faceRegistered Userregular
i before e, except after c, and when sounding like 'ay' as in neighbor and weigh
let's ok over the list of counterexamples here
✔ foreign
❌ neighbor - literally in the goddamn mnemonic
✔ Keith
❌ receives - after c
❌ eight - sounds like ay
✔ counterfeit
❌ beige - sounds like ay
❌ sleighs - sounds like ay
✔ feisty
✔ caffeinated
❌ weightlifters - also the the mnemonic are you kidding me
✔ weird
I'd be interested in what proportion of words with ei aren't covered by the standard phrase
even in a mug designed specifically to mock it it's only half right
A weird foreigner neither seizes leisure nor forfeits height, being either a sovereign sheik or counterfeit geisha.
like half of these are loan words tho
are they really loan words if we never give them back
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I'm sure this has already been shared, but this is so good
The person who threw the punch appears to walk near the person with the camera, and “Ain’t got nothing to talk about” can be heard. Another person says, “night night.”
But for the record, German law doesn't just ban Nazi iconography, it also bans speech that advocates violence towards, or insults the dignity of, any racial group.
If there's an example of a non-racist or progressive group that's been trod under the boot of the state in the name of German anti-hate-speech or anti-Nazi laws, I'd love to hear about it.
idk any examples but I don't speak German so it's a challenge to find you one. That it hasn't happened is no reflection on the problem of whether it can happen. Power gets used, eventually.
Russell's teapot applies here.
Not sure I agree. I think it's different to argue that the inevitable result of giving power is that it will be used.
Russell's teapot doesn't apply because of slippery slope.
Got it.
Slippery slope arguments are not by default fallacies!
tbh my only exposure to incidences where tone policing has been claimed is this forum, mostly as an unsuccessful argument for an exception from the don't be a dick rule
Well, here's an option for you.
You can opt to take me at my word that this is a thing that actually happens outside this internet forum community, mostly to minority groups you are not personally a part of, as a way of disregarding their opinions and views using a method of attacking their emotional investment in the issues.
It's an exceedingly common event in larger communities of activists and left-leaning political communities, even when not specifically called out as such, used by a comfortable and privileged majority to silence and disregard a more vocal and, admittedly, outraged minority within that group from saying or doing something that might be gauche.
Or, you can opt to just not believe me that this happens and that I've seen it and personally experienced it and it fucking sucks. It's your call.
that was not a pos intended as an argument
just an observation, and the observation was: "tone policing" is not a term in my other circles and in our public discourse
...in other words, mind your tone, sir!
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i before e, except after c, and when sounding like 'ay' as in neighbor and weigh
let's ok over the list of counterexamples here
✔ foreign
❌ neighbor - literally in the goddamn mnemonic
✔ Keith
❌ receives - after c
❌ eight - sounds like ay
✔ counterfeit
❌ beige - sounds like ay
❌ sleighs - sounds like ay
✔ feisty
✔ caffeinated
❌ weightlifters - also the the mnemonic are you kidding me
✔ weird
I'd be interested in what proportion of words with ei aren't covered by the standard phrase
even in a mug designed specifically to mock it it's only half right
A weird foreigner neither seizes leisure nor forfeits height, being either a sovereign sheik or counterfeit geisha.
like half of these are loan words tho
are they really loan words if we never give them back
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English doesn't have gendered nouns or declensions or a million characters, don't complain about weird spellings. And constructed languages are for dorks.
we do have gendered nouns
actor/actress
dominator/dominatrix
etc
one of my favorite pieces of trivia picked up at work in the past couple of weeks is the fact that a female administrator of an estate is called an administratrix
i told the owner this and he told me to fuck right off
But for the record, German law doesn't just ban Nazi iconography, it also bans speech that advocates violence towards, or insults the dignity of, any racial group.
If there's an example of a non-racist or progressive group that's been trod under the boot of the state in the name of German anti-hate-speech or anti-Nazi laws, I'd love to hear about it.
idk any examples but I don't speak German so it's a challenge to find you one. That it hasn't happened is no reflection on the problem of whether it can happen. Power gets used, eventually.
Russell's teapot applies here.
Not sure I agree. I think it's different to argue that the inevitable result of giving power is that it will be used.
But....I....
It has been used, to silence Nazis! And I don't look at Germany and bemoan the death of free speech because you can't be a fucking Nazi loudly and proudly
"Banning free speech will lead to bad things!"
"But it hasn't happened in Germany, which is what we want to kind of test"
"BUT IT COULD"
I'm....not really convinced that absence of evidence is somehow proof of evidence?
The disconnect here is that you are measuring only whether the effect you want is happening, and maybe not even recognizing that "chilling effect" is a thing?
Like, the harm is that the People live in a regime where some speech will inherently get you thrown in jail. That's the harm. Their society is one in which sometimes, if you say a bad thing, the government forces you to be silent or else.
I'm okay if we have a chilling effect on nazis. They're nazis! What else has it chilled though? Our society is one in which if you say a bad thing the government forces you to be silent or throws you in jail! That's not unique!
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Public Service Announcement: Cadbury chocolate is bad. Yes the UK based one. Yes even before the Kraft takeover.
Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
i before e, except after c, and when sounding like 'ay' as in neighbor and weigh
let's ok over the list of counterexamples here
✔ foreign
❌ neighbor - literally in the goddamn mnemonic
✔ Keith
❌ receives - after c
❌ eight - sounds like ay
✔ counterfeit
❌ beige - sounds like ay
❌ sleighs - sounds like ay
✔ feisty
✔ caffeinated
❌ weightlifters - also the the mnemonic are you kidding me
✔ weird
I'd be interested in what proportion of words with ei aren't covered by the standard phrase
even in a mug designed specifically to mock it it's only half right
A weird foreigner neither seizes leisure nor forfeits height, being either a sovereign sheik or counterfeit geisha.
like half of these are loan words tho
your whole goddamn language is loan words!
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Sir Landsharkresting shark faceRegistered Userregular
So on Saturday, after all the unpleasantness at urgent care, I took #2 out for ice cream. Father-son 1-on-1 time, which I'm trying to do more regularly with all the kids since I already see much less of them than porp does.
Anyways
Afterward we finish our ice cream I ask if there's anything else he would like to do together. He wants to go to a play space with a ball pit. OK. So I take him over to a Burger King. He plays there for a bit while I watch and cheer him on, then we need to walk to the Walgreens and pick up medicine for #1.
On the walk over, #2 sees a bunch of leaves in the parking lot that have collected along the curb. He bends down to pick up bunch up. "Daddy I'm gonna get you with these leaves" he says, mischievously. And I almost instinctively started saying something like "Not now we need to get going to the store" but then I stopped and realized, yknow, we don't need to be getting anywhere immediately.
So I picked up some leaves myself and we spent a couple minutes having a leaf fight in a burger king parking lot.
It's weird, though, how you adult for so long and it eventually starts to take over who you are
congratulations, your son is now a lazy, impulsive wastrel who will major in English at the cost of $50,000 per year in tuition
yeah but he'll probably have some viscerally entertaining internet posts of his collected into a [chat] OP someday so it's worth it
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i before e, except after c, and when sounding like 'ay' as in neighbor and weigh
let's ok over the list of counterexamples here
✔ foreign
❌ neighbor - literally in the goddamn mnemonic
✔ Keith
❌ receives - after c
❌ eight - sounds like ay
✔ counterfeit
❌ beige - sounds like ay
❌ sleighs - sounds like ay
✔ feisty
✔ caffeinated
❌ weightlifters - also the the mnemonic are you kidding me
✔ weird
I'd be interested in what proportion of words with ei aren't covered by the standard phrase
even in a mug designed specifically to mock it it's only half right
A weird foreigner neither seizes leisure nor forfeits height, being either a sovereign sheik or counterfeit geisha.
like half of these are loan words tho
are they really loan words if we never give them back
But for the record, German law doesn't just ban Nazi iconography, it also bans speech that advocates violence towards, or insults the dignity of, any racial group.
If there's an example of a non-racist or progressive group that's been trod under the boot of the state in the name of German anti-hate-speech or anti-Nazi laws, I'd love to hear about it.
idk any examples but I don't speak German so it's a challenge to find you one. That it hasn't happened is no reflection on the problem of whether it can happen. Power gets used, eventually.
Russell's teapot applies here.
Not sure I agree. I think it's different to argue that the inevitable result of giving power is that it will be used.
But....I....
It has been used, to silence Nazis! And I don't look at Germany and bemoan the death of free speech because you can't be a fucking Nazi loudly and proudly
"Banning free speech will lead to bad things!"
"But it hasn't happened in Germany, which is what we want to kind of test"
"BUT IT COULD"
I'm....not really convinced that absence of evidence is somehow proof of evidence?
The disconnect here is that you are measuring only whether the effect you want is happening, and maybe not even recognizing that "chilling effect" is a thing?
Like, the harm is that the People live in a regime where some speech will inherently get you thrown in jail. That's the harm. Their society is one in which sometimes, if you say a bad thing, the government forces you to be silent or else.
Yes Nazis should be jailed and reformed, or otherwise removed from society if reform is somehow impossible.
Yes this is a thing we can do without pretty much forever.
Just because we're doing it for Nazis doesn't mean we should do it for anyone else. Nazis got their chance, then we realized they make few valid contributions to the human race.
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LudiousI just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered Userregular
i before e, except after c, and when sounding like 'ay' as in neighbor and weigh
let's ok over the list of counterexamples here
✔ foreign
❌ neighbor - literally in the goddamn mnemonic
✔ Keith
❌ receives - after c
❌ eight - sounds like ay
✔ counterfeit
❌ beige - sounds like ay
❌ sleighs - sounds like ay
✔ feisty
✔ caffeinated
❌ weightlifters - also the the mnemonic are you kidding me
✔ weird
I'd be interested in what proportion of words with ei aren't covered by the standard phrase
even in a mug designed specifically to mock it it's only half right
A weird foreigner neither seizes leisure nor forfeits height, being either a sovereign sheik or counterfeit geisha.
hahnsoo for best mug designer 2017
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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"geeze this guy can't shave"
So much air.
And more in a real life, dealing with activism and politics sense
It is a very real and frustrating issue when dealing with intersectional activist groups, where for example you will have LGBT activist groups where very privileged gay white cis men tone policing trans women of color about the issues and trying to make sure that any kind of activist action is nice and quiet and government friendly and it's like
my dudes that's
that's not
that's not what this is about here they're pissed for very specific reasons
thank god you were in an airport
more candy should be shapped like bottoms.
fk u gooey i thought i liked u
like half of these are loan words tho
congratulations, your son is now a lazy, impulsive wastrel who will major in English at the cost of $50,000 per year in tuition
What are half elves normally called?
i never liked gooey he can't even tell time
Slippery slope arguments are not by default fallacies!
are they really loan words if we never give them back
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-police-respond-to-viral-video-of-man-wearing-swastika-getting-punched/
considering everyone who shaves at some point cuts him or herself shaving, i think you're good to go
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Unsubstantiated ones generally are.
that was not a pos intended as an argument
just an observation, and the observation was: "tone policing" is not a term in my other circles and in our public discourse
...in other words, mind your tone, sir!
who raised 'em, the elf or the human?
alternatively "The Fighting Mongoose"
I eat the crunchy ones
hate me, sure. but don't hate payton or ranger!!
we have them now in most grocery stores, in the foreign aisle
I'd love it if you took a look at my art and my PATREON!
one of my favorite pieces of trivia picked up at work in the past couple of weeks is the fact that a female administrator of an estate is called an administratrix
i told the owner this and he told me to fuck right off
It has the best version of a lot of D&D things
Not Drow tho, yowza
I'm okay if we have a chilling effect on nazis. They're nazis! What else has it chilled though? Our society is one in which if you say a bad thing the government forces you to be silent or throws you in jail! That's not unique!
Lego
Wispa is superior
your whole goddamn language is loan words!
yeah but he'll probably have some viscerally entertaining internet posts of his collected into a [chat] OP someday so it's worth it
listen, japan loans us the word geisha
we loan them the word laser
that was the agreement
the stuff you get in the us sure
the english stuff is great
Yes Nazis should be jailed and reformed, or otherwise removed from society if reform is somehow impossible.
Yes this is a thing we can do without pretty much forever.
Just because we're doing it for Nazis doesn't mean we should do it for anyone else. Nazis got their chance, then we realized they make few valid contributions to the human race.
That's it.
I'm diving DEEP into the weird shit
hahnsoo for best mug designer 2017
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
dont bring your dogs into this, they're innocent
Chadthael
what a time to be alive
the only acceptable halves are half-orcs and maybe halflings
is there a term for a half-halfling?