Dr. ChaosPost nuclear nuisanceRegistered Userregular
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That was a pretty entertaining episode but yeah, I'm surprised the subject of Darulio using being in heat to manipulate the crew didn't amount to him becoming a villain at the end there rather than just a silly "boy, was that weird" thing.
It seems pretty obvious that Darulio's species is just super free/loose with sex so outside the context of current RL events, it seems to me the intent was innocent enough and was just going to be dismissed away as lol alien cultural/biological differences lol.
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Normally I automatically avoid anything with Macfarlane attached, but I gave the show a spin and, well, crap. It's actually pretty dang good. Like, the best Star Trek stuff made in a long-ass time (haven't watched Discovery, it looks like its trying way too hard to appeal to me at all). Yeah, it's got a comedic bent to it, but I was pretty damn surprised when it jumped right into some pretty damn hefty issues, and even took the discussion of them completely seriously! Also digging the hell out of the fact that the characters are, well, people, instead of everybody constantly being up their own ass in some way or another. It isn't a better future because it's filled with super-geniuses, it's better because society has worked to improve itself... but still has assholes.
The show is legit like ToS, except with a whole lot better writing, sets, and special effects. So glad I decided to give it a shot, this is great.
It seems pretty obvious that Darulio's species is just super free/loose with sex so outside the context of current RL events, it seems to me the intent was innocent enough and was just going to be dismissed away as lol alien cultural/biological differences lol.
But yeah...bad timing.
They probably should have focused on that more tbh. I think there's one line about how his species views sex.
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It seems pretty obvious that Darulio's species is just super free/loose with sex so outside the context of current RL events, it seems to me the intent was innocent enough and was just going to be dismissed away as lol alien cultural/biological differences lol.
But yeah...bad timing.
I agree, this is one for the commentary tracks/convention responses. Not knowing the production schedule, I would think this was very possibly made before the yawning doom vortex opened up in the middle of Hollywood, and while Seth seems to be able to weather those quite well he may have incidentally skimmed the edge of this one before it arose.
I gotta say that scene was 10x better than any 10 forward scene in TNG.
I felt like, yes, these are human beings doing human things.
The humans in Orvilles future feel more like Super Millenials. They've gotten past a lot of their ancestors hangups but aren't absurd snobs that only remember classical music and literature or recreate baseball games from the math
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I gotta say that scene was 10x better than any 10 forward scene in TNG.
I felt like, yes, these are human beings doing human things.
The humans in Orvilles future feel more like Super Millenials. They've gotten past a lot of their ancestors hangups but aren't absurd snobs that only remember classical music and literature or recreate baseball games from the math
I don't exactly see why you phrased it as "super millenials", because it doesn't seem to derive from millenials at all. It's just derived off of late-20th to early-21st century pop culture. Speaking as a child who gained the capacity of speech and long-term memories as the first Bush left the White House, It's just that The Orville went with a more realistic spread of interests in older cultural movements than Trek did (with tweaks toward MacFarlane's uses).
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My wife and I started watching it tonight and got through two episodes. We like it so far. Even manages to catch that cringeyness of the Next Gen and Voyager at times. Fantastic.
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edited November 2017
Really hoping this is the end of the recurring Yoffat hitting on Claire thing.
I love Norm but feels like he's being wasted on this character.
My wife and I started watching it tonight and got through two episodes. We like it so far. Even manages to catch that cringeyness of the Next Gen and Voyager at times. Fantastic.
after episode 3 there's a string of straight up TNG episodes basically
Discovery is good as it's own thing, but it's more like battlestar galactica most of the time. Orville is a return to trek form
Finally, I'm caught up! Okay, let's dig into this all;
Land of the Likes: Meh. The comparison to Black Mirror already happened, I get it wasn't original then, but I wasn't super engaged by how little they changed from the usual premise (in general, not just BM). It felt like someone was watching that episode on Netflix while trolling Reddit and had a brilliant idea...
Isaac's Adventure's In Babysitting: I found the kids fairly insufferable, and even as a non-parent I'm usually pretty tolerant of kids in shows. So, that was the point, and they made it, well done show. I liked the second half a lot more, as shit got progressively real. That said, the whole 'we have no way of knowing what happened, take us in' made me think "you assholes don't have probes? I dunno, throw a football with sensors attached into it first?" Plus, they were able to track the shuttle going towards the anomaly, but struggled after the fact? Yeah, the shuttle was damaged, maybe the power output was down, but they made it half a million klicks at a pretty rapid pace all the same.
Regarding the most recent episode, or as I shall nickname it:
The Orville Revisits The Naked Now, Presumably As A Star Trek Homage Contractual Obligation: ... gonna jump on the bandwagon with those here who expressed concerns. The episode even glanced at it obliquely, with Darulio having a line about it being rude in his culture to turn down sex.
Look, you're part of a spacefaring race apparently, maybe it shouldn't come as a shock that not everyone rolls like that, and perhaps some damned gloves or other protective personal equipment would be useful. And nobody has noticed this before? I guess medical technology covers unwanted pregnancies and Space STIs? But the consent issues here were not great.
Also, the extended shields idea got a bit of eye rolling. C'mon, guys, you've been better about this than many shows, but in space you're going to need a lot more than Building A Wall to get between a pair of fleets. But then the battle showed them swirling all over the place and it didn't matter because it's time to bring up more massively questionable consent issues...
In hindsight, I'm really surprised that FOX aired this at all. Kevin Spacey is being completely recast in a movie that's set for release in less than two months, you can't tell me that FOX didn't have the power to put this on the back burner.
I gotta say that scene was 10x better than any 10 forward scene in TNG.
I felt like, yes, these are human beings doing human things.
Ehhhh, it felt a little too "I cannot believe this many people are watching someone perform Karaoke this intently", but at least it wasn't another violin recital (and I say that as someone who generally liked those little bits in TNG).
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Ehhhh, it felt a little too "I cannot believe this many people are watching someone perform Karaoke this intently", but at least it wasn't another violin recital (and I say that as someone who generally liked those little bits in TNG).
Its a Seth McFarlane show so wouldn't be surprised if everybody in the future is obsessed with musicals and likes to spontaneously break into a song.
Ehhhh, it felt a little too "I cannot believe this many people are watching someone perform Karaoke this intently", but at least it wasn't another violin recital (and I say that as someone who generally liked those little bits in TNG).
Its a Seth McFarlane show so wouldn't be surprised if everybody in the future is obsessed with musicals and likes to spontaneously break into a song.
Surprised that hasn't happened yet actually.
He is remarkably respectful to genres and shows he's a fan of. Orville is his love letter to Trek not his take on it.
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Ehhhh, it felt a little too "I cannot believe this many people are watching someone perform Karaoke this intently", but at least it wasn't another violin recital (and I say that as someone who generally liked those little bits in TNG).
Its a Seth McFarlane show so wouldn't be surprised if everybody in the future is obsessed with musicals and likes to spontaneously break into a song.
Surprised that hasn't happened yet actually.
He is remarkably respectful to genres and shows he's a fan of. Orville is his love letter to Trek not his take on it.
Was interested in seeing what his Flintstones would have been like.
I know everybody was worried it would be prehistoric Family Guy but seeing how he can shift tones abit here with the The Orville, kind of curious now.
I think this was the episode you show to people to get them into the show. The plot was solid, the character work was great, the tension ratcheted up as the show went on, and the humor was all in natural banter and didn't feel shoehorned in for the sake of making jokes. It even made Seth look like an actual captain figure with his inspirational speeches.
Also, Bortus crushed an alligator with a chair. He didn't know why it was there, but it is crushed.
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I think this was the episode you show to people to get them into the show. The plot was solid, the character work was great, the tension ratcheted up as the show went on, and the humor was all in natural banter and didn't feel shoehorned in for the sake of making jokes. It even made Seth look like an actual captain figure with his inspirational speeches.
Also, Bortus crushed an alligator with a chair. He didn't know why it was there, but it is crushed.
That line and the deadpan delivery of "Hobo Clowns are the hungriest" were my favorite lines of the episode.
The implication that Bortus is all up for a colonial duel is fantastic.
I secretly think he gets all of Mercer's bad jokes and he just likes trolling him
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Oh damn, that was an opening.
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Omg had a train of thought about how Alara is awful young to be a chief security officer if it weren't for her physiology. Also she's kind of a rarity in the Union fleet, I wonder if the rest of her species resents being seen only for their strength and are a bunch of pacifist intellectuals? It's probably even looked down on by the rest of her society.
And then it happened with her parents. It was so perfect. I need to go back and see if that was seeded in some fashion that I picked up on.
Omg had a train of thought about how Alara is awful young to be a chief security officer if it weren't for her physiology. Also she's kind of a rarity in the Union fleet, I wonder if the rest of her species resents being seen only for their strength and are a bunch of pacifist intellectuals? It's probably even looked down on by the rest of her society.
And then it happened with her parents. It was so perfect. I need to go back and see if that was seeded in some fashion that I picked up on.
She did mention it wasn't their strength that gets them fast tracked for promotion, but how rare it is for them to enlist at all.
It makes sense for rank progression to vary somewhat by species, but... That may not be the best reason. In Star Trek, it was implied to be based on life span. A Vulcan could serve longer than a human could live and only be a lieutenant commander, because it was common for Vulcans to serve for 60-100 years, retire, and go back to the academy under a different specialty. A human that had been in Starfleet that long was either a moldy old relic who did nothing more significant than christen successors to the ship's they served on, or they spent half of it in a temporal loop or transporter malfunction.
Seth is a super likable dude with a ton of industry connections.
And a lot of former Trek actors are super awesome towards fans in general, and famous fans in particular. Picardo isn't exactly Takei or Frakes in that department, but he's still one of them. I imagine very little coercion was needed.
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But yeah...bad timing.
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The show is legit like ToS, except with a whole lot better writing, sets, and special effects. So glad I decided to give it a shot, this is great.
They probably should have focused on that more tbh. I think there's one line about how his species views sex.
I agree, this is one for the commentary tracks/convention responses. Not knowing the production schedule, I would think this was very possibly made before the yawning doom vortex opened up in the middle of Hollywood, and while Seth seems to be able to weather those quite well he may have incidentally skimmed the edge of this one before it arose.
I felt like, yes, these are human beings doing human things.
The humans in Orvilles future feel more like Super Millenials. They've gotten past a lot of their ancestors hangups but aren't absurd snobs that only remember classical music and literature or recreate baseball games from the math
I don't exactly see why you phrased it as "super millenials", because it doesn't seem to derive from millenials at all. It's just derived off of late-20th to early-21st century pop culture. Speaking as a child who gained the capacity of speech and long-term memories as the first Bush left the White House, It's just that The Orville went with a more realistic spread of interests in older cultural movements than Trek did (with tweaks toward MacFarlane's uses).
My sense it's "People who grew up as the Internet did." Millennials remember a time when Dial-Up or very basic DSL was the best there was. That's it.
edit: Any extra embellishment is useless.
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I love Norm but feels like he's being wasted on this character.
after episode 3 there's a string of straight up TNG episodes basically
Discovery is good as it's own thing, but it's more like battlestar galactica most of the time. Orville is a return to trek form
I like the idea of an amorphous engineer especially on a tng style space ship where there would be tons of tight spaces .
I think they purposefully cut the doctor thing off here because it wasn't working like they hoped.
Land of the Likes: Meh. The comparison to Black Mirror already happened, I get it wasn't original then, but I wasn't super engaged by how little they changed from the usual premise (in general, not just BM). It felt like someone was watching that episode on Netflix while trolling Reddit and had a brilliant idea...
Isaac's Adventure's In Babysitting: I found the kids fairly insufferable, and even as a non-parent I'm usually pretty tolerant of kids in shows. So, that was the point, and they made it, well done show. I liked the second half a lot more, as shit got progressively real. That said, the whole 'we have no way of knowing what happened, take us in' made me think "you assholes don't have probes? I dunno, throw a football with sensors attached into it first?" Plus, they were able to track the shuttle going towards the anomaly, but struggled after the fact? Yeah, the shuttle was damaged, maybe the power output was down, but they made it half a million klicks at a pretty rapid pace all the same.
Regarding the most recent episode, or as I shall nickname it:
Look, you're part of a spacefaring race apparently, maybe it shouldn't come as a shock that not everyone rolls like that, and perhaps some damned gloves or other protective personal equipment would be useful. And nobody has noticed this before? I guess medical technology covers unwanted pregnancies and Space STIs? But the consent issues here were not great.
Also, the extended shields idea got a bit of eye rolling. C'mon, guys, you've been better about this than many shows, but in space you're going to need a lot more than Building A Wall to get between a pair of fleets. But then the battle showed them swirling all over the place and it didn't matter because it's time to bring up more massively questionable consent issues...
What, Fox show a Sci-Fi show out of order? NEVER!
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Ehhhh, it felt a little too "I cannot believe this many people are watching someone perform Karaoke this intently", but at least it wasn't another violin recital (and I say that as someone who generally liked those little bits in TNG).
Surprised that hasn't happened yet actually.
He is remarkably respectful to genres and shows he's a fan of. Orville is his love letter to Trek not his take on it.
I know everybody was worried it would be prehistoric Family Guy but seeing how he can shift tones abit here with the The Orville, kind of curious now.
He also has a great Fred impersonation.
Hurtful, but accurate.
also a good red dwarf joke in there.
edit: oh yeah, and a great cameo.
I love that the super strong aliens are actually elitist intellectual jerks.
Also, Bortus crushed an alligator with a chair. He didn't know why it was there, but it is crushed.
That line and the deadpan delivery of "Hobo Clowns are the hungriest" were my favorite lines of the episode.
I secretly think he gets all of Mercer's bad jokes and he just likes trolling him
And then it happened with her parents. It was so perfect. I need to go back and see if that was seeded in some fashion that I picked up on.
She did mention it wasn't their strength that gets them fast tracked for promotion, but how rare it is for them to enlist at all.
It makes sense for rank progression to vary somewhat by species, but... That may not be the best reason. In Star Trek, it was implied to be based on life span. A Vulcan could serve longer than a human could live and only be a lieutenant commander, because it was common for Vulcans to serve for 60-100 years, retire, and go back to the academy under a different specialty. A human that had been in Starfleet that long was either a moldy old relic who did nothing more significant than christen successors to the ship's they served on, or they spent half of it in a temporal loop or transporter malfunction.
Where does he get those guest stars?
Seth is a super likable dude with a ton of industry connections.
And a lot of former Trek actors are super awesome towards fans in general, and famous fans in particular. Picardo isn't exactly Takei or Frakes in that department, but he's still one of them. I imagine very little coercion was needed.