Yeesh boy I forgot about that living nightmare Gollum thing in Irithyll Dungeon.
“Just gonna sit here and look at you and haunt your dreams and what not.”
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Platinum trophy get!
So after all the trouble I went to getting the damn master of sorc/pyro/miracles.... I found out I still had gestures and infusions to go. 1hr later get trophy.
The only gesture I needed was the proper bow for summoning heysel. Which I never ever get, because I don't want to break Sirris quest line. So had to break it this time to get the trophy. Still felt bad :P
Now I can play and just chill.. but it also means I'm aimless when playing. Maybe a pyro only run soon.. hmm.
Yeah, setting character option parameters has really helped extend the longevity of this game for me.
I'm currently playing through the Bard run, which is equal stats all the way down. First half was pretty easy, second half has been brutal, and I fear the DLC. But it's been a fun romp for the most part (Dancer and Dragonslayer were utterly infuriating though).
I already know that my next run is going to be ice themed. That's already entirely possible with a strength or quality build, both of which I've done already, but I never invested in the ice weapons or used them much. So now I'm going to specialize in them and make myself stick with them (except in places where they just don't work, I'll allow backups). That'll be a whole new experience again!
This game is just so much, I love it.
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edited February 2018
Any pro strats for a dlc npc?
Sir Vilhelm. I can do good damage and dodge him alright, the problem is he keeps healing up. I’ve yet to find a way to stagger or cancel him out of the heal. Got him to around 50% five times in a row without taking many hits before giving up most recently. I just don’t understand how to end this fight, I’ve got no magics to use and afaik that thrown thing only stops estus use.
Sir Vilhelm. I can do good damage and dodge him alright, the problem is he keeps healing up. I’ve yet to find a way to stagger or cancel him out of the heal. Got him to around 50% five times in a row without taking many hits before giving up most recently. I just don’t understand how to end this fight, I’ve got no magics to use and afaik that thrown thing only stops estus use.
I'm not sure what the right way to do it is, since I usually just DPS race him, but if you want you can always
drag him outside and knock him off the cliff with shield bashes or UGS pokes or the like.
Huh. Just fought Nameless King for the first time, since I'd always skipped Archdragon Peak for some reason. I blew him up on my first pull no problem, to my surprise.
Dark Thrall Axe continues its reign of quickstepping terror.
Sir Vilhelm. I can do good damage and dodge him alright, the problem is he keeps healing up. I’ve yet to find a way to stagger or cancel him out of the heal. Got him to around 50% five times in a row without taking many hits before giving up most recently. I just don’t understand how to end this fight, I’ve got no magics to use and afaik that thrown thing only stops estus use.
Just stay right up on him and backstab him when he does the miracle
It's super punishable
Even if if he gets it off, he'll be worse off for it
People who play online, I implore you to have more than 27 VIG by level 80+. That "1000 HP unembered" stuff might have been fine when the game was new, but it doesn't fly in a post-Ringed City world.
I cannot count the number of summoned phantoms I have killed and seen killed in two or three hits because they're running around with 27 VIG at end game.
- The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (2017, colorized)
Yeeeep. 27 vigor was never a good idea. Soft cap or not, if you can get bodied in one two-hit greatweapon combo you're gonna have some problems
Vigor returns don't really start to fall off until about 40.
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Vigor returns start falling off at like 20 or something and it's pretty linear, there's not a good breakpoint like there is with Dex/Str damage scaling. You really want at least 40-45 vigor, though.
I'm usually still at 20-27 vig including PC when I hit 100, since Vig is my lowest priority (and high Vig trivializes the game). Aim for 40 w/Chain on every build, though.
People who play online, I implore you to have more than 27 VIG by level 80+. That "1000 HP unembered" stuff might have been fine when the game was new, but it doesn't fly in a post-Ringed City world.
I cannot count the number of summoned phantoms I have killed and seen killed in two or three hits because they're running around with 27 VIG at end game.
...I beat Ringed City at like 16 vigor...
I just hate, hate, hate leveling HP, okay? In Dark Souls 2 I was at Shrine of Amana before I put my vitality above 5.
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I finally beat Sir Vilhelm, thanks for the tips earlier.
Didn’t go the kick-him-off route but that seemed like it would have worked fairly easy. My weapon didn’t let me backstab a sitting hitbox, so I had to change. At one point he sat down with his back against the wall and just healed up fully over three casts in succession (while I was beating the shit out of him). That kind of illustrated that backstabbing his cast is perhaps the only way to win a fair fight there.
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The person who designed this rope ladder and platforming puzzle with the viking archers is a war criminal. God damn. Not even counting attempts any more.
You know, I've said once or twice that O&S is the worst boss in all of Souls, but that's because I always forget that the end of AoA exists.
I think I'm going to give up on doing it right on this straightsword character and smash the fight with a UGS if I don't beat it in the next few pulls.
edit: I finally remembered to just
go hyper aggressive instead of trying to memorize openings
You know, I've said once or twice that O&S is the worst boss in all of Souls, but that's because I always forget that the end of AoA exists.
I think I'm going to give up on doing it right on this straightsword character and smash the fight with a UGS if I don't beat it in the next few pulls.
edit: I finally remembered to just
go hyper aggressive instead of trying to memorize openings
and beat it easy. Derp.
Excuse you sir? Did you just imply that manus the father of the abyss is not the best thing ever ?
You know, I've said once or twice that O&S is the worst boss in all of Souls, but that's because I always forget that the end of AoA exists.
I think I'm going to give up on doing it right on this straightsword character and smash the fight with a UGS if I don't beat it in the next few pulls.
edit: I finally remembered to just
go hyper aggressive instead of trying to memorize openings
and beat it easy. Derp.
Excuse you sir? Did you just imply that manus the father of the abyss is not the best thing ever ?
Ah, right, same acronym. I meant Ashes of Ariandel--Friede and friend. Manus, I've got down pretty well.
Thinking about it, Manus is basically the opposite problem from Friede, in that he sucks and can feel like BS until you realize he's best fought by maintaining medium range instead of going aggressive.
You know, I've said once or twice that O&S is the worst boss in all of Souls, but that's because I always forget that the end of AoA exists.
I think I'm going to give up on doing it right on this straightsword character and smash the fight with a UGS if I don't beat it in the next few pulls.
edit: I finally remembered to just
go hyper aggressive instead of trying to memorize openings
and beat it easy. Derp.
Excuse you sir? Did you just imply that manus the father of the abyss is not the best thing ever ?
Ah, right, same acronym. I meant Ashes of Ariandel--Friede and friend. Manus, I've got down pretty well.
Thinking about it, Manus is basically the opposite problem from Friede, in that he sucks and can feel like BS until you realize he's best fought by maintaining medium range instead of going aggressive.
No it’s my bad I thought I was in the ds 1 & 2 thread . I also hated friede , but that’s mostly because of how long it was.
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So I'm running through the game with a friend. We're basically back and forth summoning to move through entire zones together, just to sunbro it up and so she can play (I think she should play solo and figure out the game more than me clearing areas for her, but meh). Experiencing low level invasions for the first time on PC. So many hackers. Guys literally invulnerable. Occasionally we'll get a legit invader that still kills the shit out of me, cause I suck at pvp, but at least it feels like I have a shot vs them (I don't, but I like to think I almost do). Oh, if they're not hacking they're twinked to all hell,
The problem with the invulnerable guys that are invading, it's like the swords just pass right through them, and you can't kick them either, so just have to accept your fate and die, or hope they roll over an edge.
I've made it a habit to check Twitch before I do any kind of lower-level invading (read: anything before Cathedral or Catacombs) to see if anyone big enough to get stream snipers is going. If someone is, then I avoid the level range they're in, since it invites Cheat Engine dudes more often than not. Otherwise, I don't actually find myself running into too many guys. There's been a few infinite iframes guys, but you block 'em and move on.
LobosJr's been doing an "escort mission" run of DS3, and between the grossly overleveled phantoms his fans have at the ready to be summoned as well as the obvious hackers he doesn't bother to block on Steam, it's been some painful viewing.
- The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (2017, colorized)
After making him a solid part of my morning ritual for the last week (alright, probably closer to two), I finally beat the Nameless King! It looked very pretty by the round that took him down, too- killed his bird without getting touched, staggered the king himself, had eleven sips of estus left by the time I heavy attack zwiehander'd him out of existence
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As someone who has played a lot of this game but has never messed with gems, is refined worthwhile if I have high strength and moderate dex?
A lot depends on the weapon, but in general, refined seems to be better than heavy or sharp. Not in all cases, but if you've got a quality (str and dex around same numbers) build going on, refined will be often better for you.
There's absolutely no good way to tell until you're actually looking at the scaling changes at the blacksmith. A lot of ostensibly quality weapons are better off heavy.
Used to be refined was always better, but refined was toned down in a patch, and sharp and heavy got a big boost. You probably won't be using sharp outside the dexiest of dex weapons, but heavy is real real strong in a lot of cases now.
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Oh yeah if you've been using Greatshield tanking as your main strategy (which is a great way to play your first time through, lets you learn the ins and outs of each area and boss because your defense is so much more forgiving) he'll wreck you, his second phase is just straight up too fast and aggressive to use blocking as your main defense.
I lucked out by having a summoned ally basically solo him by being good and if you looked carefully in the background you could see my character chasing midr around and never successfully hitting him
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Midir's arguably the hardest boss in the game yeah.
Midir is pretty rough, but weirdly the safest place to be is in front of his head (sort of)
His head takes double damage, and you can space out pretty much most of his attacks safely and keep him in view. Being under him will almost certainly trigger him to rear up and do a breath attack, so that's right out.
Midir's arguably the hardest boss in the game yeah.
I'm having trouble thinking of a boss in DS3 I would rate higher in difficulty than Midir...
Friede's really rough, and Gael and Nameless King both give people a lot of trouble as well. I'd say the hardest of those four basically boils down to playstyle and how badly they fuck with your preferred gameplan.
midir is the one case where i'd recommend using a smaller weapon if you're not already
being able to hit 3 or 4 times per opening is crucial to ending the fight on any reasonable timeline
using an ultra greatsword or somehing is just a horrible experience
OTOH, I beat him by whacking his tail with the Cathedral Knight Greatsword and it's weird double hit arc on the second swing.
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I liked watching Best Friends play it and Pat, almost beating it then dying with 1 hit on Midir left, then being unable to do it for about an hr of attempts. Finally he summons someone and they buff up with RTSR and Morion, then proceed to do the entire fight without being hit once and Pat/Woolie/Matt are left amazed.
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So after all the trouble I went to getting the damn master of sorc/pyro/miracles.... I found out I still had gestures and infusions to go. 1hr later get trophy.
The only gesture I needed was the proper bow for summoning heysel. Which I never ever get, because I don't want to break Sirris quest line. So had to break it this time to get the trophy. Still felt bad :P
Now I can play and just chill.. but it also means I'm aimless when playing. Maybe a pyro only run soon.. hmm.
I'm currently playing through the Bard run, which is equal stats all the way down. First half was pretty easy, second half has been brutal, and I fear the DLC. But it's been a fun romp for the most part (Dancer and Dragonslayer were utterly infuriating though).
I already know that my next run is going to be ice themed. That's already entirely possible with a strength or quality build, both of which I've done already, but I never invested in the ice weapons or used them much. So now I'm going to specialize in them and make myself stick with them (except in places where they just don't work, I'll allow backups). That'll be a whole new experience again!
This game is just so much, I love it.
I'm not sure what the right way to do it is, since I usually just DPS race him, but if you want you can always
Dark Thrall Axe continues its reign of quickstepping terror.
It's super punishable
Even if if he gets it off, he'll be worse off for it
Alternately, Hornet Ring + parry
I cannot count the number of summoned phantoms I have killed and seen killed in two or three hits because they're running around with 27 VIG at end game.
- The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (2017, colorized)
Vigor returns don't really start to fall off until about 40.
...I beat Ringed City at like 16 vigor...
I just hate, hate, hate leveling HP, okay? In Dark Souls 2 I was at Shrine of Amana before I put my vitality above 5.
Didn’t go the kick-him-off route but that seemed like it would have worked fairly easy. My weapon didn’t let me backstab a sitting hitbox, so I had to change. At one point he sat down with his back against the wall and just healed up fully over three casts in succession (while I was beating the shit out of him). That kind of illustrated that backstabbing his cast is perhaps the only way to win a fair fight there.
I think I'm going to give up on doing it right on this straightsword character and smash the fight with a UGS if I don't beat it in the next few pulls.
edit: I finally remembered to just
Excuse you sir? Did you just imply that manus the father of the abyss is not the best thing ever ?
Ah, right, same acronym. I meant Ashes of Ariandel--Friede and friend. Manus, I've got down pretty well.
Thinking about it, Manus is basically the opposite problem from Friede, in that he sucks and can feel like BS until you realize he's best fought by maintaining medium range instead of going aggressive.
No it’s my bad I thought I was in the ds 1 & 2 thread . I also hated friede , but that’s mostly because of how long it was.
The problem with the invulnerable guys that are invading, it's like the swords just pass right through them, and you can't kick them either, so just have to accept your fate and die, or hope they roll over an edge.
LobosJr's been doing an "escort mission" run of DS3, and between the grossly overleveled phantoms his fans have at the ready to be summoned as well as the obvious hackers he doesn't bother to block on Steam, it's been some painful viewing.
- The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (2017, colorized)
A lot depends on the weapon, but in general, refined seems to be better than heavy or sharp. Not in all cases, but if you've got a quality (str and dex around same numbers) build going on, refined will be often better for you.
Used to be refined was always better, but refined was toned down in a patch, and sharp and heavy got a big boost. You probably won't be using sharp outside the dexiest of dex weapons, but heavy is real real strong in a lot of cases now.
The Ringed City is no joke
I lucked out by having a summoned ally basically solo him by being good and if you looked carefully in the background you could see my character chasing midr around and never successfully hitting him
His head takes double damage, and you can space out pretty much most of his attacks safely and keep him in view. Being under him will almost certainly trigger him to rear up and do a breath attack, so that's right out.
Some of the attacks you can safely roll through and stay on the head for more DPS uptime (the three claw swipe, the lazy right to left breath attack)
I'm having trouble thinking of a boss in DS3 I would rate higher in difficulty than Midir...
Friede gives me more trouble, but I chalk that up to the length of the fight.
Friede's really rough, and Gael and Nameless King both give people a lot of trouble as well. I'd say the hardest of those four basically boils down to playstyle and how badly they fuck with your preferred gameplan.
being able to hit 3 or 4 times per opening is crucial to ending the fight on any reasonable timeline
using an ultra greatsword or somehing is just a horrible experience
OTOH, I beat him by whacking his tail with the Cathedral Knight Greatsword and it's weird double hit arc on the second swing.